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Kevin McHale will never work in the NBA again

He can be fired for attending a political event on his own time but it’s absolutely a right of NFL players to use their work platform to make political statements while on the job?

Hypocrisy much?

Jesus Christ, Strawman of the Year. That's just a lyin' ass move right there.
 
Caitlyn Jenner actually did “come out” as a Republican a year or so after winning the ESPN award — she / he actually supported Ted Cruz in 2016!

This is a big reason why the left no longer considers Jenner a hero, or even someone they can use for virtue signaling.

For the left, it’s all about who is useful at that specific moment in time. If an individual leftist breaks any rules — or begins to question any leftist dogma and narratives — they receive zero kindness or “tolerance” from other leftists.

The left sees **all** individuals as disposable — even transgenders and ethnic minorities.

It’s 100% about group identity. Marxism 101.

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You’ve become what you fear.

Nope.

The left turned their back on classical liberalism — and morphed into some sort of nihilistic, degenerate, anti-free speech / thought cult.

It’s literally become a cult. Completely different than anything in 2012, when I still enjoyed living amongst leftists.

But I still love some individual leftists, including close friends and family members. There are definitely good leftist individuals who mean well.

In fact, I 100% welcome them into the MAGA movement. Literally anyone is welcome to join.
 
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Nope.

The left turned their back on classical liberalism — and embraced some sort of nihilistic, degenerate, anti-free speech / thought cult.

It’s literally become a cult. Completely different than anything in 2012, when I still enjoyed living amongst leftists.

But I still love some individual leftists, including friends and family members.

Yep.

You just described your relationship with the MAGA narrative you unquestioningly parrot.

You’re hailing from the Cult of Pepe, son....you just don’t realize it.
 
1. Neither CK nor KM are employed by the state...an important difference when it comes to 1st Amendment issues. And no, I never said that I am allowed to use my platform as a state employee to make political statements because free speech. Of course, I never said CK is allowed to do so without fear of repercussions either. Oddly enough, because I work for the state, I receive more protection for my off the clock, outside of work speech than a employee of a private employer because the 1st Amendment restricts government infringement of free speech, but only the government.

2. You’ve strawmanned a position I have NEVER taken. My consistent position in this thread and elsewhere is that the NFL can fire or not hire CK or any other employee for kneeling if they want and KM employer’s can do the same for attending a political event on his own time if they choose to do so.

So....ZERO....hypocrisy here.

ZERO.

JD I understand what your saying, but this seems pretty sad to me actually. You go to a political event of a party/candidate you may or may not even support and just listen, the consequence being you can get fired by your private employer. Seems pretty chilling actually.
 
JD I understand what your saying, but this seems pretty sad to me actually. You go to a political event of a party/candidate you may or may not even support and just listen, the consequence being you can get fired by your private employer. Seems pretty chilling actually.

Would it seem sad to you if McHale had attended a Nazi rally or a KKK cross burning that he may or may not have even supported and just listen?

For the record, I’m not comparing a Trump rally to a Nazi or KKK rally....I’m just testing your limits of when you think it might be proper for a private employer to discipline or fire an employee for off the clock speech or attendance at a political event.

We should also note that KM hasn’t been fired from anything.
 
Would it seem sad to you if McHale had attended a Nazi rally or a KKK cross burning that he may or may not have even supported and just listen?

For the record, I’m not comparing a Trump rally to a Nazi or KKK rally....I’m just testing your limits of when you think it might be proper for a private employer to discipline or fire an employee for off the clock speech or attendance at a political event.

We should also note that KM hasn’t been fired from anything.

See what I have always been the weakest at in analysis like this is widening the goal posts to include every single option. If I were a private employer and an employee went to one of the above or any number of other bonified radical group gatherings would absolutely have no issues firing or letting them go, all be it after I had sat down with them to find out WTF they were thinking.

I would never consider the Klan or Nazis (nor Nation of Islam, ANTIFA etc) a mainstream gig, so couldn’t imagine someone wasting their time there. Do see it on the tube though so obviously happens.

Guess the delineation would be “mainstream parties” and throwing your beliefs in other employees faces. Would hope I’d be fair enough to allow people to attend these types of events as long as they act like civilized adults and don’t wear your company cloths. Otherwise don’t go.

I understand KM hasn’t been fired.....just really seems like a thin skinned deal if he were.
 
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See what I have always been the weakest at in analysis like this is widening the goal posts to include every single option. If I were a private employer and an employee went to with of the above or any number of other bonified radical group gatherings would absolutely have no issues firing or letting them go, all be it after I had sat down with them to find out WTF they were thinking.

I would never consider the Klan or Nazis (nor Nation of Islam) a mainstream gig, so couldn’t imagine someone wasting their time there.

Guess the delineation would be “mainstream parties” and throwing your beliefs in other employees faces. Would hope I’d be fair enough to allow people to attend these types of events as long as they act like civilized adults. Otherwise don’t go.

I understand KM hasn’t been fired.....just really seems like a thin skinned deal if he were.

Fair enough.

And when I am posting in this thread, I’m not talking about what I would do myself or even what I think employers SHOULD do. I’m more talking about the application of the principle and proposition that I believe in and what they should be allowed to do in society....even if I think doing it wou,d be a bad decision.
 
Fair enough.

And when I am posting in this thread, I’m not talking about what I would do myself or even what I think employers SHOULD do. I’m more talking about the application of the principle and proposition that I believe in and what they should be allowed to do in society....even if I think doing it wou,d be a bad decision.

No worries man....really I want to be challenged by commentary here. I need to push myself to think more broadly at times and when you or others widen the lanes it does give me pause to ponder what I’m assuming the conversation concerns and then re-evaluating my position (or at least core thoughts) based on what others throw out. Which inevitably has me reading articles/opinions from a variety of sources to educate myself further.
 
Caitlyn Jenner actually did “come out” as a Republican a year or so after winning the ESPN award — she / he actually supported Ted Cruz in 2016!

This is a big reason why the left no longer considers Jenner a hero, or even someone they can use for virtue signaling.

For the left, it’s all about who is useful at that specific moment in time. If an individual leftist breaks any rules — or begins to question any leftist dogma and narratives — they receive zero kindness or “tolerance” from other leftists.

The left sees **all** individuals as disposable — even transgenders and ethnic minorities.

It’s 100% about group identity. Marxism 101.

I was involved in a Facebook debate a week ago about the CT track meet where the boy obliterated the girls in the 100M and I was called “transphobic” for taking the stance that biological males should not compete vs girls.

It’s incredible how quickly things have shifted as you pointed out earlier.
 
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I said that in response to some high school athletes having better access to training regimens than others due to socioeconomic status and now you use that phrase to justify biological males competing vs girls. It’s such a pathetic response that it doesn’t justify addressing it.

Right? When affluent kids have advantages life isn't fair, yawn. When a kid has a biological advantage then fairness is everything.

As usual: "I just want it my way."
 
Right? When affluent kids have advantages life isn't fair, yawn. When a kid has a biological advantage then fairness is everything.

As usual: "I just want it my way."
Please don’t tell me that you are equating the two?
 
Please don’t tell me that you are equating the two?

That's the great thing about "life isn't fair" -- it's a very flexible rationale. Of course, some people only use it when they disagree with someone else's request. That wouldn't be you, though, would it?
 
That's the great thing about "life isn't fair" -- it's a very flexible rationale. Of course, some people only use it when they disagree with someone else's request. That wouldn't be you, though, would it?
BIGOSUFAN was right. Pathetic response. And I would add your thought lacks critical thinking.

Biological differences will always be a part of competition. Taller players have advantages in basketball, stronger player have advantages in football, faster players have advantages in track, etc. etc. But taking a PED or competing in a level below your skill (or a bio boy playing as a girl) is not fair competition.
 
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