Kamala Harris weighs in on private insurance

[my_2cents]

n the long run what does she have going for her?

She is a fresh face. She is likeable. She is well-spoken. She is very intelligent. She is passionate. She has limited baggage and what baggage she does has can be mitigated. She is potentially younger than her main competitors for the nomination. She is able to attract both progressives and centrist Democrats, similar to Obama. She plays well on TV. She is speaking to and exciting the Democrat base. She represents change.

She’s too far left.

This is hilarious and shows how little you know about the discussion occurring within the Democratic Party right now. Most of Harris's distractors in the party are to her left. They say she isn't liberal enough lol!

She needs more seasoning.

Same thing was said about Obama. And even Trump.

Her flippant comment about nationalizing healthcare was a huge gaff right out of the gate. She needs to learn to tone it down

Completely disagree. This is a comment a freaky libertarian would make and it's wrong.

What she said about health care was spot on and well-planned. She is seeking the Democratic nomination, not the Republican or Libertarian nomination. On top of that, poll after poll shows that a vast majority of Americans now support Medicare For All.

You may not Ponca, but you are in the minority. Don't project your libertarian viewpoint on everyone else.

On YouTube there are several clips where she has looked foolish at committee hearings, looked too amateur against Trump administration officials.

Another misguided comment one would expect from a freaky libertarian who is never going to support Harris.

Those same videos are being celebrated by Democrats. They like what they saw and are seeing. Hence why one Democrat voter thanked her last night at the town hall for her questioning of Kavanaugh.

btw, a town hall that set record TV ratings.

But politically she would be a great addition as the VP candidate for all the reasons stated above.

I won't disagree that she would be a good VP nominee to a Biden type presidential nominee. And that may happen as well. She could be the VP nominee too.

 

[my_2cents]

Can't wait to see the "financing plan" for something unaffordable.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2018/...ll-Supporters-Say-s-Wrong-Question-Here-s-Why

 

[squeak]

It’s you again.

 

[Ponca Dan]

She is a fresh face. She is likeable. She is well-spoken. She is very intelligent. She is passionate. She has limited baggage and what baggage she does has can be mitigated. She is potentially younger than her main competitors for the nomination. She is able to attract both progressives and centrist Democrats, similar to Obama. She plays well on TV. She is speaking to and exciting the Democrat base. She represents change.



This is hilarious and shows how little you know about the discussion occurring within the Democratic Party right now. Most of Harris's distractors in the party are to her left. They say she isn't liberal enough lol!



Same thing was said about Obama. And even Trump.



Completely disagree. This is a comment a freaky libertarian would make and it's wrong.

What she said about health care was spot on and well-planned. She is seeking the Democratic nomination, not the Republican or Libertarian nomination. On top of that, poll after poll shows that a vast majority of Americans now support Medicare For All.

You may not Ponca, but you are in the minority. Don't project your libertarian viewpoint on everyone else.



Another misguided comment one would expect from a freaky libertarian who is never going to support Harris.

Those same videos are being celebrated by Democrats. They like what they saw and are seeing. Hence why one Democrat voter thanked her last night at the town hall for her questioning of Kavanaugh.

btw, a town hall that set record TV ratings.



I won't disagree that she would be a good VP nominee to a Biden type presidential nominee. But again, this is exactly what was said about Obama in 08. And it was the Biden type that ended up as the VP nominee.



Of course you are because you are thinking like a libertarian.

Remember I posted this Ponca, Harris is going to be the Democratic nominee in 2020. And she is going to be elected President.

You are obviously far more hooked into Democratic Party machinations than me! If nothing else I give you credit for your enthusiasm, full speed ahead, blinders on.

For the record, as a freaky libertarian I have no more distaste for Ms. Harris than I do for all of them, Republicans and Libertarian Party politicians included. I despise them all on an equal opportunity basis.

For that reason alone you would be wise to listen to what I am saying. I am completely dispassionate about it. I am looking at the woman and what I think the electorate will vote for in an objective manner. Your homerism betrays objectivity.

It’s way too early to get excited about any of them. Between now and Primary Season we’ll watch them fall by the wayside one by one. I expect to see Ms. Harris go very far. As you said she’s young. She’s attractive. She’s an up and comer. I don’t see her getting the top of the ticket. If she’s VP for eight years she would be set up perfectly for a run at the top.

 

[poke2001]

She is a fresh face. She is likeable. She is well-spoken. She is very intelligent. She is passionate. She has limited baggage and what baggage she does has can be mitigated. She is potentially younger than her main competitors for the nomination. She is able to attract both progressives and centrist Democrats, similar to Obama. She plays well on TV. She is speaking to and exciting the Democrat base. She represents change.



This is hilarious and shows how little you know about the discussion occurring within the Democratic Party right now. Most of Harris's distractors in the party are to her left. They say she isn't liberal enough lol!



Same thing was said about Obama. And even Trump.



Completely disagree. This is a comment a freaky libertarian would make and it's wrong.

What she said about health care was spot on and well-planned. She is seeking the Democratic nomination, not the Republican or Libertarian nomination. On top of that, poll after poll shows that a vast majority of Americans now support Medicare For All.

You may not Ponca, but you are in the minority. Don't project your libertarian viewpoint on everyone else.



Another misguided comment one would expect from a freaky libertarian who is never going to support Harris.

Those same videos are being celebrated by Democrats. They like what they saw and are seeing. Hence why one Democrat voter thanked her last night at the town hall for her questioning of Kavanaugh.

btw, a town hall that set record TV ratings.



I won't disagree that she would be a good VP nominee to a Biden type presidential nominee. But again, this is exactly what was said about Obama in 08. And it was the Biden type that ended up as the VP nominee.



Of course you are because you are thinking like a libertarian.

Remember I posted this Ponca, Harris is going to be the Democratic nominee in 2020. And she is going to be elected President.

It’s false that Americans favor Medicare for all...when polling pairs that question with “which comes with an increase in taxes” the numbers drop dramatically.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/9366F918-1F3A-11E9-9070-EE4F1ED32E11

 

[JimmyBob]

I expect to see Ms. Harris go very far. As you said she’s young. She’s attractive. She’s an up and comer.

Plus, she's got Willie Brown in her corner, or wherever.............

 

[my_2cents]

You are obviously far more hooked into Democratic Party machinations than me!

Exactly, so maybe you should listen to me instead of trying to impose your libertarian perspective upon Democrats.

If you were telling me something about libertarians, I'd listen to you.

I am completely dispassionate about it. I am looking at the woman and what I think the electorate will vote for in an objective manner.

No you aren't. Again, you are giving your view from a libertarian perspective.

For example, poll after poll tells you that a vast majority of Americans support Medicare For All. Yet, you claim Harris's embrace of this was a gaffe. It wasn't though. It is only a gaffe to those who oppose Medicare For All, i.e., you.

 

[my_2cents]

It’s false that Americans favor Medicare for all...

Whatever helps you sleep better poke.

But in reality, even some Republicans support it...

https://theweek.com/speedreads/791956/medicareforall-increasingly-popular-even-among-republicans

 

[poke2001]

Whatever helps you sleep better poke.

But in reality, even some Republicans support it...

https://theweek.com/speedreads/791956/medicareforall-increasingly-popular-even-among-republicans

Did you read the article I posted? Yours doesn’t refute it. When asked if they support it with an increase in taxes it drops, a lot. It simply isn’t popular no matter how much you want it to be.

 

[my_2cents]

It simply isn’t popular no matter how much you want it to be.

Hey, if you want to keep living in denial, so be it.

 

[poke2001]

Hey, if you want to keep living in denial, so be it.

So, you didn’t read it. Don’t care because it doesn’t fit your view. Well done.

 

[my_2cents]

So, you didn’t read it.

Never posted I didn't read it. All I read though was attempts by a foundation to lower the level of support Medicare For All has by proposing potential problems with it.

The reality remains though, Medicare For All is generally popular among Americans. And within the Democratic Party, it is very popular.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Exactly, so maybe you should listen to me instead of trying to impose your libertarian perspective upon Democrats.

If you were telling me something about libertarians, I'd listen to you.



No you aren't. Again, you are giving your view from a libertarian perspective.

For example, poll after poll tells you that a vast majority of Americans support Medicare For All. Yet, you claim Harris's embrace of this was a gaffe. It wasn't though. It is only a gaffe to those who oppose Medicare For All, i.e., you.

I think her blase comment in support of government imposed, one-size-fits-all, socialized health care was a huge gaffe. It got immediate pushback and she retreated back toward the middle as fast as she could.

You may be right that she’ll get the nomination. If she does, and if she runs on a pilt-inspired left wing package of promises, I think she’ll be defeated. Like every professional politician she’ll try to outleft the field during the primaries, and fall to the center during the campaign. I think Donald Trump will feast on that. He will scare the living hell out of squishy moderates into voting against her, just like he did to everybody in 2016.

She may get a larger black vote by dint of her being black. But that may be offset by a loss of the white vote that voted for Obama to assuage their white guilt, but now feel they have paid their restitution and don’t need to vote for a black person anymore just to prove they’re not racist. Besides, a lot of them felt betrayed by Obama, and will be hard pressed to trust a Democrat. That was a big part of what put Trump over Hillary.

It will be fascinating to watch it all unfold.

 

[my_2cents]

I think her blase comment in support of government imposed, one-size-fits-all, socialized health care was a huge gaffe. I got immediate pushback and she retreated back toward the middle as fast as she could.

And you are wrong. And I also don't see the pushback or retreat that you claim is happening.

What would have been a gaffe is for her not to have endorsed Medicare For All. She is trying to get the Democratic nomination, not the libertarian nomination for goodness sakes.

If she does, and if she runs on a pilt-inspired left wing package of promises, I think she’ll be defeated.

Of course you do. I don't expect you to think she can win running on a liberal message.

But guess what, you libertarians and conservatives said the same damn thing about Obama in 2008 and you see how that worked out. Meanwhile, Clinton ran on a safe Democratic centrist message and she lost the electoral college when everyone was so sure she would win.

I think Donald Trump will feast on that. He will scare the living hell out of squishy moderates into voting against her, just like he did to everybody in 2016.

Harris will own Trump. I know you can't see that now, but you will come to see it. Harris is not Clinton. Harris is more like a Pelosi, just more likeable. And you see how Pelosi is running circles around Trump.

Keep in mind too that moderates are already scared of Trump and many are saying there is no way they will vote for him.

Not to mention that these liberal policies you say he will use against her are policies that are popular!

She may get a larger black vote by dint of her being black. But that may be offset by a loss of the white vote that voted for Obama to assuage their white guilt, but now feel they have paid their restitution and don’t need to vote for a black person anymore just to prove they’re not racist.

What is this junk? White guilt? Goodness, come on Ponca you are better than this I hope.

Moving away from that nonsense, what if Trump isn't the nominee? We keep assuming he will be, but if he isn't?

 

[Ponca Dan]

And you are wrong. And I also don't see the pushback or retreat that you claim is happening.

What would have been a gaffe is for her not to have endorsed Medicare For All. She is trying to get the Democratic nomination, not the libertarian nomination for goodness sakes.



Of course you do. I don't expect you to think she can win running on a liberal message.

But guess what, you libertarians and conservatives said the same damn thing about Obama in 2008 and you see how that worked out. Meanwhile, Clinton ran on a safe Democratic centrist message and she lost the electoral college when everyone was so sure she would win.



Harris will own Trump. I know you can't see that now, but you will come to see it. Harris is not Clinton. Harris is more like a Pelosi, just more likeable. And you see how Pelosi is running circles around Trump.

Keep in mind too that moderates are already scared of Trump and many are saying there is no way they will vote for him.

Not to mention that these liberal policies you say he will use against her are policies that are popular!



What is this junk? White guilt? Goodness, come on Ponca you are better than this I hope.

Moving away from that nonsense, what if Trump isn't the nominee? We keep assuming he will be, but if he isn't?

I don’t think it is nonsense. It was fairly well accepted that many whites voted for Obama specifically because he is black. At least the first time. They’ve been there/done that now, and probably won’t feel the need to do it again. Harris’ left wing tendencies may make them uncomfortable. I don’t see anything about that as being controversial.


I’m not willing to go on all night long. We disagree on Ms. Harris, that is all. I think her path to the Presidency is a few years away. You think it’s here and now.

I can’t imagine the Republicans dumping Trump. I suppose it’s possible he’ll tire of the back and forth and decide not to run again. But that is doubtful, he’s one stubborn SOB. If he does bow out he will leave the Republicans in a huge bind. Who would they put up? Romney again? Ugh!

 

[Medic007]

Kamala Harris on health insurance...

KH: 'Medicare for all!!! No private health insurance!!!!"

Tard wranglers: "Yeah, uh, that performed as well as Hillary did on election night. Even Democrats cried."

KH:"So, uh, uh <checking notes>, Medicare for all except those that want it!!!"

Tard wranglers: "Yeah, Kamala, that's not it either. Obamacare was a disaster so we're trying a new messaging. Instead of Medicaid for all, we're saying Medicare for all, unless you have insurance you like. Nobody in their right mind expects that the new socialist twitter hound Oscar De La Hoya's shit for brains idea will fool anyone."

KH: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."

Tard wranglers: "Sigh. Can somebody get Bernie on the phone?"

 

[knoblock]

I don’t think it is nonsense. It was fairly well accepted that many whites voted for Obama specifically because he is black. At least the first time. They’ve been there/done that now, and probably won’t feel the need to do it again. Harris’ left wing tendencies may make them uncomfortable. I don’t see anything about that as being controversial.


I’m not willing to go on all night long. We disagree on Ms. Harris, that is all. I think her path to the Presidency is a few years away. You think it’s here and now.

I can’t imagine the Republicans dumping Trump. I suppose it’s possible he’ll tire of the back and forth and decide not to run again. But that is doubtful, he’s one stubborn SOB. If he does bow out he will leave the Republicans in a huge bind. Who would they put up? Romney again? Ugh!

Nikki and she would kick ass.
However, Kamala will destroy Trump.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Nikki and she would kick ass.
However, Kamala will destroy Trump.

Having slept on it overnight I’ve had a change of mind. KH probably should be considered the front runner. Who else do they have? I can see the party coalescing around her. Your confidence that she would beat Trump easily, however, is not justified, IMO. She might beat him, but only after a bloody battle. And if she tries to implement an Obama-style economic policy, which would return the country to the slow growth we saw under him, the Republicans would likely retake the House, and she would be a one term President.

 

[poke2001]

Never posted I didn't read it. All I read though was attempts by a foundation to lower the level of support Medicare For All has by proposing potential problems with it.

The reality remains though, Medicare For All is generally popular among Americans. And within the Democratic Party, it is very popular.

Your polls are attempts at raising level of support by making it sound like it’s all benefit with no cost. When you tie the cost to it, people don’t like it.

If you ran a poll and asked the question “Would you like a new car?” I’m guessing 75% or more polled would say yes. If the question were, “Would you like a Chevy Cobalt, and pay $75k for it?” The popularity goes way down.