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The understanding of when life begins has changed a bunch since biblical times. With no understanding of fetal development, many people in biblical times and before were unable to answer that question like we can today.

"Let's discuss the morality of abortion based on a 2,000 year old book of fables."

All of the pro-life Christians I know understood that the knowledge of when life begins is much clearer today than it was in biblical times. The term "pro-life" is pretty obvious.

Just for the sake of discussion...

Why is it OK to claim that we know more now, so we can't interpret the bible literally....

But it is not OK to apply a similar line of thinking to the Constitution (i.e. interpretation of the 2nd Amendment or the validity of the Electoral College). ?
 
Just for the sake of discussion...

Why is it OK to claim that we know more now, so we can't interpret the bible literally....

But it is not OK to apply a similar line of thinking to the Constitution (i.e. interpretation of the 2nd Amendment or the validity of the Electoral College). ?
You're free to interpret the bible however you want. I'm just pointing out that the Christians I know don't use the bible's definition of when life begins since we know the entire sequence of human reproduction. I doubt the Christians I know are a minority in that thought.
 
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Just for the sake of discussion...

Why is it OK to claim that we know more now, so we can't interpret the bible literally....

But it is not OK to apply a similar line of thinking to the Constitution (i.e. interpretation of the 2nd Amendment or the validity of the Electoral College). ?
Easy answer.

The Bible is a 2000 year old document that has no mechanism for editing/changing/updating. There’s no amendment process.

The Constitution is a 200 year old document that has a mechanism to edit/change/update via the amendment process.
 
The science of biblical criticism tells us it is original.

The passage clearly portrays homosexuality as sin.
That passage is disputed as an interpolation.

It is not clear at all that the passage portrays homosexuality as a sin rather than a punishment.
 
All of the pro-life Christians I know understood that the knowledge of when life begins is much clearer today than it was in biblical times. The term "pro-life" is pretty obvious.
That would be a valid point if they didn't think that the bible was authored by an omniscient god.
 
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Easy answer.

The Bible is a 2000 year old document that has no mechanism for editing/changing/updating. There’s no amendment process.

The Constitution is a 200 year old document that has a mechanism to edit/change/update via the amendment process.
Do we need an amendment process for the eternal word of god?
 
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Just for the sake of discussion...

Why is it OK to claim that we know more now, so we can't interpret the bible literally....

But it is not OK to apply a similar line of thinking to the Constitution (i.e. interpretation of the 2nd Amendment or the validity of the Electoral College). ?
To add to what Ostate posted, my need for a firearm for self defense hasn't gone away and is probably just as necessary if not more necessary than it was in 1788.

I think the Electoral College is certainly up for discussion.
 
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That passage is disputed as an interpolation.

It is not clear at all that the passage portrays homosexuality as a sin rather than a punishment.

It's only disputed by liberals who don't believe the book in the first place, want to excuse away sin and dispute other things like the miracles of the Bible and the very resurrection of Jesus.

It should be very clear as Romans 1 isn't the only place in the NT (much less the Bible) that condemns homosexuality as sin.
 
And it's even worse support for a pro-choice stance, but he's trying to use it as such.

No I wasn't. I was addressing the claims by conservative Christians that the Bible endorses their view of abortion.

That was all.
 
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"Let's discuss the morality of abortion based on a 2,000 year old book of fables."

As 07pilt noted, this is exactly what many conservative Christians who are pro-life do.

You're free to interpret the bible however you want. I'm just pointing out that the Christians I know don't use the bible's definition of when life begins since we know the entire sequence of human reproduction. I doubt the Christians I know are a minority in that thought.

Almost every conservative Christian that I know who is pro-life appeal to the Bible to support their position. As does numerous conservative Christian denominations.

Yes, there are pro-life individuals who don't cite the Bible. But again, as 07pilt, you have to know your audience and I was responding to a poster who inserted the Bible into the conversation.
 
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It should be very clear as Romans 1 isn't the only place in the NT (much less the Bible) that condemns homosexuality as sin.
Probably should have started with one of those stronger condemnations instead of the weak Romans tea.

What about this one from the horse's mouth:

When the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together, 35 and one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36 “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” 37 He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
 
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Probably should have started with one of those stronger condemnations instead of the weak Romans tea.

What about this one from the horse's mouth:

When the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together, 35 and one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36 “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” 37 He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
Yeppers.

Which leads to the penultimate question: "What is love?"
 
So anything goes with Jesus, am I reading you correctly?

In my humble heathen opinion, it seems like it pretty much should. Everyone is a sinner, right. Everyone can seek forgiveness for his/her sins, right? Everyone will get judged at his/her death and that will determine whether they go upward or downward right? Judgement is supposed to come from God, not from other men, right?

So, anything goes. If you end up paying for your actions with eternal damnation, so be it.
 
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Yawn.

Hundreds of parades around the country, involving millions of people, but everyone should focus their attention on these 5 idiots.

In what other parades do people act like this?

It was back in 2010 or 2011 I saw some of the “pride” parade in NYC. The majority of the floats featured men wearing nothing but thongs simulating the disgusting, filthy act of sodomy. It was one big quasi-pornographic fest. And people had brought little kids to watch and cheer on that garbage.
 
In what other parades do people act like this?

It was back in 2010 or 2011 I saw some of the “pride” parade in NYC. The majority of the floats featured men wearing nothing but thongs simulating the disgusting, filthy act of sodomy. It was one big quasi-pornographic fest. And people had brought little kids to watch and cheer on that garbage.

People do stupid shit at pretty much any parade, except for maybe that parade at Magic Kingdom that happens every night right before closing. Ever been to Mardi Gras? I saw video of a parade where a dude drove his car into a bunch of people because he disagreed with them politically. I've seen video of multiple parades that devolved into full on riots with fighting and looting. Considering the number of pride parades going on around this country, if all you can come up with is 5 idiots twerking on a police car, I think you might be a bit hyper sensitive.
 
In my humble heathen opinion, it seems like it pretty much should. Everyone is a sinner, right. Everyone can seek forgiveness for his/her sins, right? Everyone will get judged at his/her death and that will determine whether they go upward or downward right? Judgement is supposed to come from God, not from other men, right?

Quite correct.

And the God of the Bible has already pronounced his judgment. I just happen to agree with what he said on the subject.

Now my thoughts on this sin does not change the way I interact with my fellow man or even the way I vote.

For instance, I believe that Trump is a repulsive moral character. But I liked some of what he said he wanted to do as President and voted for him.

I would vote similarly for a homosexual if they campaigned on a number of issues I agree with.

Loving your fellow man does not mean you must agree with all of their life choices or every decision they make. Similarly, God loving man does not mean he turns a blind eye to our sin and imperfections.
 
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People do stupid shit at pretty much any parade, except for maybe that parade at Magic Kingdom that happens every night right before closing. Ever been to Mardi Gras? I saw video of a parade where a dude drove his car into a bunch of people because he disagreed with them politically. I've seen video of multiple parades that devolved into full on riots with fighting and looting. Considering the number of pride parades going on around this country, if all you can come up with is 5 idiots twerking on a police car, I think you might be a bit hyper sensitive.

Nah, not “hyper sensitive.” Just don’t want my kids taught in school that that degenerate behavior is “normal and healthy.”
 
Just curious, for those on this board that are straight, if you could get a do over in life, would you choose to be born gay? If not, why?

Or, would you truly not care if you were born gay?

How about your children? Can you honestly say you would not care if they were LGTBQ? I am not saying you would not love them if they were LGTBQ, but can you actually say you would be indifferent about it?

For me, I can say I would not want to be born gay, just because I do not believe it is normal. Not due to stigma or perceived real and actual discrimination. I would not feel indifferent about one of my kids or grandkids being LGTBQ, I would love them fully but I honestly would feel they were not normal, I would feel like they had an unfortunate disease.

I have hired gays to work for me, and we
got along great. The first gay I hired was long ago and my boss was as not very happy with me over it. When it comes to the workplace I hire the best person for the job if at all possible, period.

I just do not see LGBTQ’s as wired normally. The pushing of a such a lifestyle on young kids? What bothers me is making that a learned behavior.

If people really do believe you are born that way, why the need to push it off and introduce young kids to the LGBTQ lifestyle? If they are born that way, let them identify and come to that lifestyle because that is how they were born, just no need to make a BFD over it. Let families and parents handle it at home. Religion is not accepted in public schools and yet this is, and for some this is a religious issue, seems slanted to me. Going to do that then I say you need to educate on being straight as well. I would be pissed off if my kids were giving teachings on LGTBQ in a public school.

My position is that I am not going to rub your nose in my personal opinion that you are not normal if you are LGBTQ, while at the same time respecting your rights in the workplace, and also in private and in public. I would like LGBTQ’s to reciprocate that in-kind.

My problem is the LGBTQ community having to make a BFD out of themselves and Hollywood now giving the LGBTQ a much larger role in their movies, etc...much larger than their actual representation in society. You watch much TV or movies today and you would think everyone has a ton of LGBTQ co-workers and friends, everyone knows a gay couple, gay married couple, etc.... actual society is being misrepresented IMO.

I do not get it, I see no need for it and the spoon feeding today to totally normalize these individuals to a young and impressionable audience is wrong. They wink and say you are born LGTBQ, but let’s just teach you to choose that lifestyle even if you were not born that way, let’s teach about umpteen genders and no longer just stick to scientific facts.
 
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