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Is the 2nd Amendment just for muskets?

Another SCOTUS decision, US v Miller, 1939, further defines Militia. In his opinion, Justice McReynolds described the purpose of the 2nd Amendment, referring to the Militia, as "to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces." In referring to the Constitution as originally adopted in differentiating between the Militia and troops, he continued, "The sentiment of the time strongly disfavored standing armies; the common view was adequate defense of the country and laws could be secured by the Militia - civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion." "The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of the Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense."

McReynolds also cited Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, "In a militia, the character of the labourer, artificer, or tradesman, predominates over that of a soldier; in a standing army, that of the soldier predominates over every other character; and in this distinction seems to consist the essential difference between those two species of military force."

It is quite clear from this Supreme Court decision that the Militia was intended to be comprised of ordinary people and not military personnel.

To further define the Militia as the whole body of ordinary citizenry, Judge Thomas Cooley, a highly regarded 19th century constitutional scholar, realized that the state might call into its militia only "a small number" of the eligible citizenry. He wrote that "if the right [to keep and bear arms] were limited to those enrolled, the purpose of this guaranty might be defeated altogether by the action or neglect to act of the government it was meant to hold in check."
Nothing but irrelevant historical musings...
 
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It was his only defense at this point.
 
Its says more about you than it does about me....we all know that. I'm not afraid. It's just clear you're a low character kinda guy. If you really cared that much, it would be easy for you to find out. There are plenty people that know. I'm not gonna volunteer it.

Btw, it's impossible to truly insult someone who doesn't give a single shit what you think about them. Keep trying though. It's amusing.

An office manager once explained to a secretary, "If you're paid to do a job, and do something else instead but keep the money, that's stealing."

Do you agree?
 
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It was his only defense at this point.

Mega, you know I'm a sucker for those gifs.... I'd respond to each of them if I could, but duty calls. Bear with me and I'll give you all the responses you deserve when I get all these gators beaten back. In the meanwhile, keep em' coming.

P.S. Have you considered a government job like your cowboygd? I have a suspicion it's the perfect job for you, given the volume of posts you also generate during working hours. You can get PAID to piss away otherwise productive workdays by posting on here... AND CARRY A GUN. WITH A CLIP.
 
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Mega, you know I'm a sucker for those gifs.... I'd respond to each of them if I could, but duty calls. Bear with me and I'll give you all the responses you deserve when I get all these gators beaten back. In the meanwhile, keep em' coming.

P.S. Have you considered a government job like your cowboygd? I have a suspicion it's the perfect job for you, given the volume of posts you also generate during working hours. You can get PAID to piss away otherwise productive workdays by posting on here... AND CARRY A GUN. WITH A CLIP.
It's too bad that your attempts to change the subject can't erase the humiliation you experienced in this thread.

"Irrelevant historical musings..."

HAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
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Share some more of your "character" observations while you're at work, $*@#ing off on the internet.

You're a lazy fool. I see why you washed out. Now get back to internet surfing.
Mega, you know I'm a sucker for those gifs.... I'd respond to each of them if I could, but duty calls. Bear with me and I'll give you all the responses you deserve when I get all these gators beaten back. In the meanwhile, keep em' coming.

P.S. Have you considered a government job like your cowboygd? I have a suspicion it's the perfect job for you, given the volume of posts you also generate during working hours. You can get PAID to piss away otherwise productive workdays by posting on here... AND CARRY A GUN. WITH A CLIP.

Thanks for the career advice. I think I'll just keep owning a successful small business though, thanks. 90% of my posts occur during commercials in the evening or during file uploads/downloads during the day. Trust me on this - you would not want to trade actual weekly hours and days worked with me.

Also, You do realize that once you descend to the depths of analyzing a poster's post count or time (you assume them to have) spent posting, you are basically out of ideas right? It's a dead giveaway. Always has been.

Also also, it's notable that you are ignoring the question of gun ownership again. You really should put that to bed at some point and just own up to exaggeration to make a point.
 
Share some more of your "character" observations while you're at work, $*@#ing off on the internet.

You're a lazy fool. I see why you washed out. Now get back to internet surfing.


Do you puzzle over what to post or how to post? Is it a real time consuming task for you? I guess it must be since you project it as a massive time commitment for others. I bet if you added it all up, I spend less than 5 minutes posting per day. Not exactly keeping me from living life, or JD from doing his job I would imagine.
 
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An office manager once explained to a secretary, "If you're paid to do a job, and do something else instead but keep the money, that's stealing."

Do you agree?
Mega, you know I'm a sucker for those gifs.... I'd respond to each of them if I could, but duty calls. Bear with me and I'll give you all the responses you deserve when I get all these gators beaten back. In the meanwhile, keep em' coming.

P.S. Have you considered a government job like your cowboygd? I have a suspicion it's the perfect job for you, given the volume of posts you also generate during working hours. You can get PAID to piss away otherwise productive workdays by posting on here... AND CARRY A GUN. WITH A CLIP.

Share some more of your "character" observations while you're at work, $*@#ing off on the internet.

You're a lazy fool. I see why you washed out. Now get back to internet surfing.

Here's the deal.

I think everyone here (even you) understand that there are ebbs and flows in the demands on anyone's time while they are at work....whether they are in the private sector or in the public sector.

I think everyone here (maybe even you) understands that a professional position isn't like a factory job making widgets on the clock for eight hours a day...whether it is in the private sector or the public sector. I don't get paid by the hour. I get paid a salary based upon on the quality of my advice and counsel, and the quality of my performance in court, and the quality of my instruction. If I want to take a little time off in the middle of the day in exchange for working a little later or coming in a little earlier some days, I have that luxury. So do professionals in the private sector that are actually good at what they do. Hell, that's one of the reasons I got an education, experience and knowledge that is valuable and not a fungible, easily acquired product. That may be an alien concept to a self confessed paper pusher like yourself, but it is absolutely true.

Finally, I think everyone here except you (you don't seem to be real self aware) understands what this is really all about. You were absolutely pimp slapped in an intellectual discourse by more than one person in this thread. You simply can't compete on that level. You then had a few options: 1) admit defeat, or 2) try to change the subject of the discussion away from that in which you are woefully inadequate, or 3) try to make the individuals beating you up so angry and/or on the defense personally that they say something they haven't actually thought through on the subject at hand or just stop engaging with you rationally because it's not worth the trouble. The problem for you here is that you are an absolute joke. You no longer have the ability to anger anyone. You no longer (if you ever did) have the ability to place anyone here on the defensive with your tactics.

You're transparent and obvious as all get out, junior.

That's the deal.
 
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Here's the deal.

I think everyone here (even you) understand that there are ebbs and flows in the demands on anyone's time while they are at work....whether they are in the private sector or in the profession sector.

I think everyone here (maybe even you) understands that a professional position isn't like a factory job making widgets on the clock for eight hours a day...whether it is in the private sector or the public sector. I don't get paid by the hour. I get paid a salary based upon on the quality of my advice and counsel, and the quality of my performance in court, and the quality of my instruction. If I want to take a little time off in the middle of the day in exchange for working a little later or coming in a little earlier some days, I have that luxury. So do professionals in the private sector that are actually good at what they do. Hell, that's one of the reasons I got an education, experience and knowledge that is valuable and not a fungible, easily acquired product. That may be an alien concept to a self confessed paper pusher like yourself, but it is absolutely true.

Finally, I think everyone here except you (you don't seem to be real self aware) understands what this is really all about. You were absolutely pimp slapped in an intellectual discourse by more than one person in this thread. You simply can't compete on that level. You then had a few options: 1) admit defeat, or 2) try to change the subject of the discussion away from that in which you are woefully inadequate, or 3) try to make the individuals beating you up so angry and/or on the defense personally that they say something they haven't actually thought through on the subject at hand or just stop engaging with you rationally because it's not worth the trouble. The problem for you here is that you are an absolute joke. You no longer have the ability to anger anyone. You no longer (if you ever did) have the ability to place anyone here on the defensive with your tactics.

You're transparent and obvious as all get out, junior.

That's the deal.


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Here's the deal.

I think everyone here (even you) understand that there are ebbs and flows in the demands on anyone's time while they are at work....whether they are in the private sector or in the public sector.

I think everyone here (maybe even you) understands that a professional position isn't like a factory job making widgets on the clock for eight hours a day...whether it is in the private sector or the public sector. I don't get paid by the hour. I get paid a salary based upon on the quality of my advice and counsel, and the quality of my performance in court, and the quality of my instruction. If I want to take a little time off in the middle of the day in exchange for working a little later or coming in a little earlier some days, I have that luxury. So do professionals in the private sector that are actually good at what they do. Hell, that's one of the reasons I got an education, experience and knowledge that is valuable and not a fungible, easily acquired product. That may be an alien concept to a self confessed paper pusher like yourself, but it is absolutely true.

Finally, I think everyone here except you (you don't seem to be real self aware) understands what this is really all about. You were absolutely pimp slapped in an intellectual discourse by more than one person in this thread. You simply can't compete on that level. You then had a few options: 1) admit defeat, or 2) try to change the subject of the discussion away from that in which you are woefully inadequate, or 3) try to make the individuals beating you up so angry and/or on the defense personally that they say something they haven't actually thought through on the subject at hand or just stop engaging with you rationally because it's not worth the trouble. The problem for you here is that you are an absolute joke. You no longer have the ability to anger anyone. You no longer (if you ever did) have the ability to place anyone here on the defensive with your tactics.

You're transparent and obvious as all get out, junior.

That's the deal.
Well, it's clear the actual attorney/lawyer detonated a BUNCH of high level explosives on the dead horse carcass we were all kicking around. The carcass has been vaprorized.

That isn't what I'm about to complain about though. Or it is. Yes, it is. JD, some warning next time would be appreciated. I'd like to have the time to don appropriate protective gear to keep myself free from whatever infection made this victim a complete dumbass. Now I'm afraid that I'll wake up in the morning saying "irrelevant historical musings" with no hope for a cure. If I do, I'm gonna sue your ass.
 
Well, it's clear the actual attorney/lawyer detonated a BUNCH of high level explosives on the dead horse carcass we were all kicking around. The carcass has been vaprorized.

That isn't what I'm about to complain about though. Or it is. Yes, it is. JD, some warning next time would be appreciated. I'd like to have the time to don appropriate protective gear to keep myself free from whatever infection made this victim a complete dumbass. Now I'm afraid that I'll wake up in the morning saying "irrelevant historical musings" with no hope for a cure. If I do, I'm gonna sue your ass.

None of this was me.

It was all the chihuahua.
 
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Here's the deal.

I think everyone here (even you) understand that there are ebbs and flows in the demands on anyone's time while they are at work....whether they are in the private sector or in the public sector.

I think everyone here (maybe even you) understands that a professional position isn't like a factory job making widgets on the clock for eight hours a day...whether it is in the private sector or the public sector. I don't get paid by the hour. I get paid a salary based upon on the quality of my advice and counsel, and the quality of my performance in court, and the quality of my instruction. If I want to take a little time off in the middle of the day in exchange for working a little later or coming in a little earlier some days, I have that luxury. So do professionals in the private sector that are actually good at what they do. Hell, that's one of the reasons I got an education, experience and knowledge that is valuable and not a fungible, easily acquired product. That may be an alien concept to a self confessed paper pusher like yourself, but it is absolutely true.

Finally, I think everyone here except you (you don't seem to be real self aware) understands what this is really all about. You were absolutely pimp slapped in an intellectual discourse by more than one person in this thread. You simply can't compete on that level. You then had a few options: 1) admit defeat, or 2) try to change the subject of the discussion away from that in which you are woefully inadequate, or 3) try to make the individuals beating you up so angry and/or on the defense personally that they say something they haven't actually thought through on the subject at hand or just stop engaging with you rationally because it's not worth the trouble. The problem for you here is that you are an absolute joke. You no longer have the ability to anger anyone. You no longer (if you ever did) have the ability to place anyone here on the defensive with your tactics.

You're transparent and obvious as all get out, junior.

That's the deal.

First, no good lawyer I know brags about kicking courtroom ass. Speaking of professionalism, that alone exposes you as an insecure Walter Mitty type. Second, no good lawyer I know spends time and energy "winning" legal arguments on the internet. Don't get enough engagement at "work?" (snicker) More on the law later... Third, no good lawyer flees a good practice for a cubicle in a state agency because... his wife is a cop? Sounds legit. Fourth, no good lawyer I know would try to spin "free State" as a state of mind. Good lord.

And yet here you are, still spending energy defending your shitty work ethic and attacking me. Still. I have for years, and in this thread, engaged the overwhelming conservative numbers on this board with keen insight and a sharp quill. How many people are on my ass in this thread, 6? Still not enough. Medic, as usual if he's actually engaged, quickly was pinned. You weighed in to try and rescue medic, were a dick, and were immediately busted for doing the state employee thing, and fretted I may turn you in to your boss. (So what agency do you work in, if you have nothing to worry about and loafing is expected?) Then, Mega weighs in to defend your lazy, don't-tell-my-boss-but-it's-really-okay position. Mega felt compelled to defend you, the weak calf, from getting dragged into the bushes.

Here's where I knew you were full of shit: you were offended at me calling the SA anachronistic. I can not think of a more relevant, fair, germane point to make when discussing a 1791 law. Even if you disagree, it's not a point that a reasonable lawyer would find offensive. It shouldn't surprise or offend that someone disagrees on the proper way to interpret the constitution or not focus on original intent. I don't care about the federalist papers and original intent. The way to beat someone that declines to acknowledge original intent as determinative is to make points about why it should be -- not quibble over what the original intent was. Even Scalia didn't care about the federalist papers and extraneous sources. Posner doesn't care about them, or original intent. Larry Tribe doesn't. (Posner's stuff is a great primer and very articulately lays out the reasoning why original intent should be irrelevant. You should know this and not be offended by it.) I'm not going to brief the issue, but if you really want to engage and can emotionally handle the disagreement then read Posner's stuff on original intent.

Enjoy your "work" day. I see yesterday you quit posting during work hours - for once, a smart move. That alone qualifies as a "win" for the taxpayers, and I should be congratulated for shaming you into working instead of loafing. Let's see if you can make it two days in a row.
 
First, no good lawyer I know brags about kicking courtroom ass. Speaking of professionalism, that alone exposes you as an insecure Walter Mitty type. Second, no good lawyer I know spends time and energy "winning" legal arguments on the internet. Don't get enough engagement at "work?" (snicker) More on the law later... Third, no good lawyer flees a good practice for a cubicle in a state agency because... his wife is a cop? Sounds legit. Fourth, no good lawyer I know would try to spin "free State" as a state of mind. Good lord.

And yet here you are, still spending energy defending your shitty work ethic and attacking me. Still. I have for years, and in this thread, engaged the overwhelming conservative numbers on this board with keen insight and a sharp quill. How many people are on my ass in this thread, 6? Still not enough. Medic, as usual if he's actually engaged, quickly was pinned. You weighed in to try and rescue medic, were a dick, and were immediately busted for doing the state employee thing, and fretted I may turn you in to your boss. (So what agency do you work in, if you have nothing to worry about and loafing is expected?) Then, Mega weighs in to defend your lazy, don't-tell-my-boss-but-it's-really-okay position. Mega felt compelled to defend you, the weak calf, from getting dragged into the bushes.

Here's where I knew you were full of shit: you were offended at me calling the SA anachronistic. I can not think of a more relevant, fair, germane point to make when discussing a 1791 law. Even if you disagree, it's not a point that a reasonable lawyer would find offensive. It shouldn't surprise or offend that someone disagrees on the proper way to interpret the constitution or not focus on original intent. I don't care about the federalist papers and original intent. The way to beat someone that declines to acknowledge original intent as determinative is to make points about why it should be -- not quibble over what the original intent was. Even Scalia didn't care about the federalist papers and extraneous sources. Posner doesn't care about them, or original intent. Larry Tribe doesn't. (Posner's stuff is a great primer and very articulately lays out the reasoning why original intent should be irrelevant. You should know this and not be offended by it.) I'm not going to brief the issue, but if you really want to engage and can emotionally handle the disagreement then read Posner's stuff on original intent.

Enjoy your "work" day. I see yesterday you quit posting during work hours - for once, a smart move. That alone qualifies as a "win" for the taxpayers, and I should be congratulated for shaming you into working instead of loafing. Let's see if you can make it two days in a row.

"Second, no good lawyer I know spends time and energy "winning" legal arguments on the internet."

"Still. I have for years, and in this thread, engaged the overwhelming conservative numbers on this board with keen insight and a sharp quill."

Lol.
 
"Second, no good lawyer I know spends time and energy "winning" legal arguments on the internet."

"Still. I have for years, and in this thread, engaged the overwhelming conservative numbers on this board with keen insight and a sharp quill."

Lol.

On top of everything else, now you can't comprehend a distinction between making legal arguments and fighting conservatives?
 
On top of everything else, now you can't comprehend a distinction between making legal arguments and fighting conservatives?

You can't comprehend a non-binary distinction among "conservatives" (anyone who isn't an anti-Constitution globalist like you), so just be careful in that glass house with your rocks and whatnot.
 
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You can't comprehend a non-binary distinction among "conservatives" (anyone who isn't an anti-Constitution globalist like you), so just be careful in that glass house with your rocks and whatnot.

I can kind of see distinctions between "conservatives" if you will, I just can't see, ya know, if any of them are the real deal and really have any idea what they really believe and so forth.
 
On top of everything else, now you can't comprehend a distinction between making legal arguments and fighting conservatives?

I've read how you've been "fighting conservatives" here.

Here's a clue....you've been using "legal arguments" to do so much of the time. Maybe you don't realize that, I don't know.
 
I can kind of see distinctions between "conservatives" if you will, I just can't see, ya know, if any of them are the real deal and really have any idea what they really believe and so forth.

What a flaccid reply.

So you can "kind of" see that you aren't dealing with a dozen or so GOP establishment ideologues... but you either can't or are too lazy to change your 'me agains the conservatives' narrative?

So dull. At least 07 and DA generally tend to understand that this group is more nuanced than liberal vs conservative.
 
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What a flaccid reply.

So you can "kind of" see that you aren't dealing with a dozen or so GOP establishment ideologues... but you either can't or are too lazy to change your 'me agains the conservatives' narrative?

So dull. At least 07 and DA generally tend to understand that this group is more nuanced than liberal vs conservative.

Relax. It was just a bad Pat Jones impression. No, I don't know the taxonomic classification of all conservative (or liberal) gun ideology.
 
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@syskatine You are a pussy and I would tell you that right to your face. I bet however you would never say much of anything like that to me in person or most anyone on this board I would guess.

Want to try me, I will gladly comply? I will be in Stillwater in ~16 days..
 
@syskatine You are a pussy and I would tell you that right to your face. I bet however you would never say much of anything like that to me in person or most anyone on this board I would guess.

Want to try me, I will gladly comply? I will be in Stillwater in ~16 days..

Christ, I can't keep you people straight. Who are you again? Where do you live?

Like, pistols at dawn?
 
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