You're going to have to do better than calling the notion of white privilege dumb, because it actually is dumb.
Lol, okay I won't call it dumb, then.
They couldn't have done it at the rate required to sustain.
1. You don't know that. They might just have some port somewhere where they could deliver it under any flag, and then it get "washed" and sold. As if the businessmen of Europe weren't above making some coin with slave cotton?
2. Assume you're right. That would probably mean war. You're saying that they'd have ever willingly given up slavery. That's just wrong. They literally went to war to save it. Which is the thrust of my question that Ponca ignored--
they chose war over emancipation. That's fact, not opinion. Case closed -- they would not give it up even in the face of financial ruin.
3. It was barbaric, and you haven't mentioned the continuing human toll of the slavery, etiher for however long it took your version to last.
4. I haven't read up on the antebellum stuff in a while. Okay, like 20 years at least. But your'e also avoiding the "shithouse crazy" dynamic that the South had with slavery. Christ, they're still pissed when a confederate statute is taken down.
5. You also just poo-poo the "war was inevitable" thesis. The situation wasn't getting better, and if you put Lincoln's "I'd save the union with or without slavery" in that context it makes sense. There was simply a fight brewing and slavery was the big issue. The abolitiionists were damned dogged, and werent' gonna let some peaceful institution of slavery exist without a helluva ongoing ruckus.
Thor, I have learned it is useless to try to have a meaningful conversation with syskatine. He thinks what he thinks and no amount of rebuttal will sway him.
That's unfair for two reasons: First, you've ducked my inconvenient question. I haven't seen you retreat from a gawddmaned thing here, or in your libertarian stuff. Am I wrong about that? So if you constantly push the same opinion and ideology that's just expressing an opinion, but if someone else does they're unchangeable. Nice double standard you express while refusing to respond to questions that are outside of your narrative. Yes, tell me some more about being inflexible. Frankly, when you only engage on your "points" and don't engage someone else's that's a pretty good sign of being locked in.
Second, and for what it's worth, most arguments aren't "won" until weeks or years later. Basic psychology. Minds rarely, if ever do a 180 degree turn. They typically do a 30 degree turn, and then go from there over time.
Third, Lincoln was a badass. He acted like one and did some things that were over the line. Welcome to a civil war. He wasn't going to lose the war and did what he thought was right. He was imperfect, but was on the right side of history. Those shitty confederates were not, and that's why their statues are coming down.
