i will take vacation days and walk the streets in protest

[windriverrange]

JD yea guess I worded that too vaguely...what I was aiming at was there any correlation between previous offenses (if any) and or the area, such as high known crime area or not and the use of deadly force. I'm not for anyone being deprived of their constitutional rights. But the police surely aren't running around shooting a bunch of choir boys either.

 

[davidallen]

One more time, just to be sure it soaks in:

Cops shoot more white people than people of any other race. Period.

You can repeat yourself a million times - you still come across as disingenuous or ignorant...

 

[davidallen]

the next time a policeman shoots someone who is not resisting arrest. I don't care their color or religion. The next time an innocent person is murdered by police I am going to speak out against it and if there is evidence of racism I will call it racist.

Until then, get off my airwaves enablers.

I presume you spent the day walking the streets?

http://nypost.com/2016/07/07/woman-live-streams-bloody-aftermath-of-police-involved-shooting/

 

[wyomingosualum]

You can repeat yourself a million times - you still come across as disingenuous or ignorant...

And you will come across as unable to grasp basic English.

You drinking again or what?

 

[davidallen]

And you will come across as unable to grasp basic English.

You drinking again or what?

Duck and weave, you still look foolish.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

One more time, just to be sure it soaks in:

Cops shoot more white people than people of any other race. Period.

1. Source?

2. The country is 63% white and you say more whites get shot. I would hope so. Are whites about 63% of law enforcement shooting victims?

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

I don't know that I am qualified enough to speak to them with any authority. It's a complicated situation with tons of factors. It doesn't boil down to "institutional racism" IMO, but race relations between police and the black community is certain a factor. Other factors would include officers not actually being a part of the community they police, staffing rates in many police covering large geographical distances resulting in cops not walking beats anymore, insufficient training in de-escalation techniques, insufficient training on the use of force spectrum, media sensationalism, agencies investigating their own officer involved shootings criminally leading to a lack of trust, problems with the lack transparency in law enforcement (often required by law).

Also, some of them are mean as hell.

 

[wyomingosualum]

1. Source?

2. The country is 63% white and you say more whites get shot. I would hope so. Are whites about 63% of law enforcement shooting victims?

Oh ye of short memory. You asked me for a source in a previous discussion. I'll give you the same reply now as I did then:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/

 

[davidallen]

1. Source?

2. The country is 63% white and you say more whites get shot. I would hope so. Are whites about 63% of law enforcement shooting victims?

Good luck with this Sys... math not Wyos strong suite apparently.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Duck and weave, you still look foolish.

If you're going to call BULLSHIT on me, at least have a source to back you up. You don't. It doesn't exist. And you call me foolish....

The "duck and weave" comment is especially silly, given that I haven't changed my original thought in the slightest: COPS SHOOT MORE WHITE PEOPLE THAN ANYBODY ELSE!

 

[davidallen]

Oh ye of short memory. You asked me for a source in a previous discussion. I'll give you the same reply now as I did then:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/

From your source....

“The odds that a black man will be shot and killed by a police officer is about 1 in 60,000. For a white man those odds are 1 in 200,000.”

And you want to continue to hang on to and defend this fantasy "fact" of yours... sad.

You are either purposefully misrepresenting the statistical reality that black skinned individuals are more likely to die in an altercation with a police officer OR you are just being dumb. You can decide which is true. I kinda hope it is the latter.

 

[wyomingosualum]

From your source....

“The odds that a black man will be shot and killed by a police officer is about 1 in 60,000. For a white man those odds are 1 in 200,000.”

And you want to continue to hang on to and defend this fantasy "fact" of yours... sad.

What a dumb ass you are. You're pointing to a different statistic that is equally as valid as the point I'm making. Do you really not know the difference between an apple and an orange?

 

[MegaPoke]

BULLSHIT - per capita the rate of death at the hands of a cop is 2X that for a black as it is a white. Such misleading bullshit...

a little misleading to let it seem like racism too.

 

[davidallen]

What a dumb ass you are. You're pointing to a different statistic that is equally as valid as the point I'm making. Do you really not know the difference between an apple and an orange?

I will stand by my assertions - your either being disingenuous or stupid AND that "whites are shot more than blacks by cops" is a gross distortion of the facts.

You go right ahead and stand behind yours.

 

[davidallen]

a little misleading to let it seem like racism too.

Never asserted correlation as causation...

 

[MegaPoke]

Never asserted correlation as causation...

Who you calling Caucasian, cracker?

 

[davidallen]

Who you calling Caucasian, cracker?

Made me smile... that is worth he price of admission.

 

[MegaPoke]

Made me smile... that is worth he price of admission.

Life's too serous brother. I always enjoy your posts. Even the ones where you are wrong. So very wrong.

 

[HighStickHarry]

I presume you spent the day walking the streets?

http://nypost.com/2016/07/07/woman-live-streams-bloody-aftermath-of-police-involved-shooting/

Live shooter in Dallas during street protest right now. Maybe I'll just walk around my yard.

 

[davidallen]

Live shooter in Dallas during street protest right now. Maybe I'll just walk around my yard.

That counts... be safe, keep your head down, don't look em in the eye, and your hands in plain sight...

 

[wyomingosualum]

I will stand by my assertions - your either being disingenuous or stupid AND that "whites are shot more than blacks by cops" is a gross distortion of the facts.

You go right ahead and stand behind yours.

More whites are shot by the police than any other race. I keep waiting for you to show me a source that contradicts that. Until you do, I'm neither disingenuous nor stupid. I'm just right.

 

[davidallen]

More whites are shot by the police than any other race. I keep waiting for you to show me a source that contradicts that. Until you do, I'm neither disingenuous nor stupid. I'm just right.

I see you are doubling down on disingenuous then...

 

[Medic007]

Live shooter in Dallas during street protest right now. Maybe I'll just walk around my yard.

BLM protest turns violent with officers shot. Yep. That's the answer.

 

[davidallen]

SMH... terrible, just terrible.

 

[CowboyJD]

Also, some of them are mean as hell.

Sure.

I could add the need for better pre-employment screening. Probably should have included that in my off the cuff listing of factors and variables. I'm sure there are others I failed to mention.

 

[wyomingosualum]

I see you are doubling down on disingenuous then...

Fact: More white people are shot by police than any other race.

I show you an apple and tell you it's an apple. Meanwhile, you show me an orange and exclaim "That's not an apple!" Have another ale, buddy. Tomorrow's a new day.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Fact: More white people are shot by police than any other race.

I show you an apple and tell you it's an apple. Meanwhile, you show me an orange and exclaim "That's not an apple!" Have another ale, buddy. Tomorrow's a new day.

Fact: you cherry pick a statistic that leaves the impression whites have it harder and selectively omit statistics that leave the opposite impression. Why? Wtf is the agenda, to reinforce your intellectual dishonesty? Score points?

 

[MegaPoke]

Fact: you cherry pick a statistic that leaves the impression whites have it harder and selectively omit statistics that leave the opposite impression. Why? Wtf is the agenda, to reinforce your intellectual dishonesty? Score points?

Says the board King of intellectual dishonesty.

 

[MegaPoke]

Fact: you cherry pick a statistic that leaves the impression whites have it harder and selectively omit statistics that leave the opposite impression. Why? Wtf is the agenda, to reinforce your intellectual dishonesty? Score points?

You are the same guy who just tied these murders of cops to defense of Constitutional gun rights. Intellectual dishonesty..... Wow. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

You are the same guy who just tied these murders of cops to defense of Constitutional gun rights. Intellectual dishonesty..... Wow. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You guys have been repeating that mantra on here for years. Well here ya go. Right in the heart of open carry, gubmint-hatin' country.... They fought back, didn't they? If that second amendment shit against government stuff doesn't look like this, what does it look like?

 

[MegaPoke]

You guys have been repeating that mantra on here for years. Well here ya go. Right in the heart of open carry, gubmint-hatin' country.... They fought back, didn't they? If that second amendment shit against government stuff doesn't look like this, what does it look like?

Nowhere near a valid point. Literally nothing you typed is true.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Fact: you cherry pick a statistic that leaves the impression whites have it harder and selectively omit statistics that leave the opposite impression. Why? Wtf is the agenda, to reinforce your intellectual dishonesty? Score points?

I didn't cherry pick anything. The point is that more white people are shot by police than any other race. And where is the outrage? What is the agenda to selectively be horrified when other races are shot by police?

The fact that you asked for my source for the statistic twice likely means you didn't believe that more white people are shot by the police. Didn't you have the initial impression that this was incorrect?

I didn't have to cite a source that was objective and contained stats supporting both sides of the argument. If I was trying to be dishonest, I would have cited somebody else. Now we have the complete picture. And you're bitching about that because....why?

 

[07pilt]

wyomingosualum is right about one thing. The number of white people killed by police is also far too high.

 

[wyomingosualum]

wyomingosualum is right about one thing. The number of white people killed by police is also far too high.

I'd be interested to see how many of these shootings are justified. If there is a higher percentage of unjustified deadly force incidents when the person shot is black, then we've identified a huge problem.

 

[Medic007]

At what point will there be a conversation about the high levels of black crime? A real conversation and not the usual blame everything else one. Over the years, every excuse in the book has been thrown out to justify the disproportionate crime rate among blacks and nothing has changed. And nothing will change until people are ready to have the conversations that address the actual problems without the obstructionist leftists and race pimps screaming racism.

Liberals will continue to shout about the number of blacks killed by police officers in proportion to their percent of the population, and that is an absolutely useless endeavor meant to mislead and divide. If you have the balls to look at the number of blacks killed by police in proportion to crime committed by blacks, you'll actually see something completely different than the narrative of the left.

There's a reason things don't change and it isn't due to a lack of useless rhetoric.

 

[wyomingosualum]

It is disappointing that nobody appears to keep track of how many police shootings are justified. That's the piece of the puzzle that we're missing here.

 

[CBradSmith]

At what point will there be a conversation about the high levels of black crime? A real conversation and not the usual blame everything else one. Over the years, every excuse in the book has been thrown out to justify the disproportionate crime rate among blacks and nothing has changed. And nothing will change until people are ready to have the conversations that address the actual problems without the obstructionist leftists and race pimps screaming racism.

Liberals will continue to shout about the number of blacks killed by police officers in proportion to their percent of the population, and that is an absolutely useless endeavor meant to mislead and divide. If you have the balls to look at the number of blacks killed by police in proportion to crime committed by blacks, you'll actually see something completely different than the narrative of the left.

There's a reason things don't change and it isn't due to a lack of useless rhetoric.

Dude, you are so politically incorrect that you need to be shouted down. I'm also sticking my fingers in my ears.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

I didn't cherry pick anything. The point is that more white people are shot by police than any other race. And where is the outrage? What is the agenda to selectively be horrified when other races are shot by police?

The fact that you asked for my source for the statistic twice likely means you didn't believe that more white people are shot by the police. Didn't you have the initial impression that this was incorrect?

I didn't have to cite a source that was objective and contained stats supporting both sides of the argument. If I was trying to be dishonest, I would have cited somebody else. Now we have the complete picture. And you're bitching about that because....why?

My initial impression was of course whites are killed the most. No shit, they constitute 63% of the country. Thanks for that revelation. They probably have more people die of lung cancer, too. They will have more people die.

Because you're trying to make a point by cherry picking statistics. Why shouldn't the larger demographic have the largest number of people killed? And a tiny demographic have a small number? That statistic is so meaningless that only someone with a slanted agenda would promote it without addressing the proportion. It sounds like you're trying to defend the police with a meaningless statistic and conservative spin.

Oh, your article -- I especially like the advertisement for the top 20 home defense weapons. Who doesn't need a double barrel .45 to send a few through the neighbor's home, condo, etc?

 

[07pilt]

At what point will there be a conversation about the high levels of black crime? A real conversation and not the usual blame everything else one. Over the years, every excuse in the book has been thrown out to justify the disproportionate crime rate among blacks and nothing has changed. And nothing will change until people are ready to have the conversations that address the actual problems without the obstructionist leftists and race pimps screaming racism.

Liberals will continue to shout about the number of blacks killed by police officers in proportion to their percent of the population, and that is an absolutely useless endeavor meant to mislead and divide. If you have the balls to look at the number of blacks killed by police in proportion to crime committed by blacks, you'll actually see something completely different than the narrative of the left.

There's a reason things don't change and it isn't due to a lack of useless rhetoric.

It's not like things are getting worse.

I suspect when/if the socioeconomic differences in race even out the crime differences will too.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Nowhere near a valid point. Literally nothing you typed is true.

It's not only true, we've had this same exchange multiple times. You've written on here that the second amendment protects us from our government. Do you deny that?!