I've adopted a child and give money to adoption services.
I'm open for other things that I can do though if you have suggestions.
Here's what a 19-week old "fetus" looks like...
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I'm open for other things that I can do though if you have suggestions.
Congratulations. You have earned the rank of ignore from here on out for me. You are now in that elite group that only before included Sys and Cup.
There aren't plenty of people that would.
If there were we wouldn't have hundreds of millions of orphans.
How's it not, we have a bunch of dudes that haven't been raped deciding what should be done in the case of rape.
It's called illustrating a point.
You said "hundrds of millions". We're speaking of abortion law in the U.S. Not all (the vast majority aren't) adoptable kids are newborns/infants
There are hundreds of millions of adoptable kids.
There were a little over eight thousand adoptions in the US last year.
You keep being shitty and I'll respond in kind.
There aren't hundreds of millions of adoptable kids in the U.S. While some couples from the U.S. do adopt foreign infants (or other children), that, again, is not germane to whether there are people living here in the U.S. willing to adopt newborns to help prevent abortions in the U.S. Adopting a 10 year old kid from the Ukraine isn't going to prevent an abortion anywhere.
I'm not sure what the number of infant adoptions is annually -- no one really is, because of different avenues of adoption, but I know your number is way too low for ALL adoptions. The U.S. Dept. of State reports 7-8,000 annually in U.S. adoptions of foreign children, and it used to be a lot higher, over 20,000 annually < 10 years ago.
Another factor in the reduced number of adoptions in the U.S.? Roe v Wade. In 1973, 9% of new births were placed for adoption, now -- about 1%.
It is, buy a huge margin ~100k, still does nothing to close the gap on kids that aren't adopted, doesn't even move the needle.
Kinda seems like being aborted would be like skipping the line at Disney.
Doesn't that grant instant access to the Magic Kingdom? Isn't that the endgame?
Red pill.
Blue pill.
How do you take someones golden ticket?
Doesn't that grant instant access to the Magic Kingdom? Isn't that the endgame?
Red pill.
Blue pill.
How do you take someones golden ticket?
i.e., you have no idea. I guess whatever number of newborns go unadopted, it is your position that they'd be better off if they were dead?
No I'm saying all this compassion is just posturing.
Especially when pointed at a baby produced by rape.
Nobody that commented in this thread has any idea how they would respond to that situation.
To place the kind of expectations that some express itt on another person is selfish as fuc.
Where do you think rape rates on women's fears?
You want somebody you love to relive that shit?
That's not how I roll.
I mean, I get it if you guys are trying to create some super rapists, otherwise not so much.
Especially when pointed at a baby produced by rape.
Nobody that commented in this thread has any idea how they would respond to that situation.
To place the kind of expectations that some express itt on another person is selfish as fuc.
Where do you think rape rates on women's fears?
You want somebody you love to relive that shit?
That's not how I roll.
I mean, I get it if you guys are trying to create some super rapists, otherwise not so much.
This is a bit of a hijack, but this thread has derailed anyway. Why is it that only the woman's opinion matters? If you are the father you have no say in what happens to the child but if the mother chooses to have it you are on the hook financially. If you have to pay, shouldn't you have some say?
Yep. The reason I posed the question was because I really have no idea how I would react to this situation, but I really enjoy reading everyone's replies.
Since I have never been in this position (thank the good Lord), I can only tell you where my priciples are in this regard.
The "you don't really know because you haven't been there" scenario is kind of like asking a father if he would rush into a burning house to save his kids and when he says, "Hell Yes I Would", responding with a "...that is what you think now, but until you have actually felt the heat being put off by the fire, you don't really know".
My principles say that I would try to talk my daughter into having the child. But, I have acted outside of my priciples before, so who knows what I would really do.
You got that from my continued insinuations that the millions and millions and millions and millions of kids already here without parents are somehow as important than a rape baby?
This post was edited on 3/6 4:27 PM by Alpha Poke
A woman can "force" an abortion now. However, I don't think that's practical but I do think it's practical that if the man wants the baby aborted and the woman doesn't that he shouldn't be on the hook financially to care for the child.
Agreed. I wanted to find out from the 100% pro lifers what they would do in this instance. From what I'm reading it doesn't change their moral convictions. How about I add to the scenario. What if the girl was 15 or even 13 years old. Does that change anyone's mind? I know pregnancy by rape is rare and a 13 or 15 year old victim becoming pregnant is extremely rare, but what if?
I agree. To make matters worse there are a lot of women who had abortions for convenience
and after giving birth to a "wanted' child became severely depressed after holding the baby and remembering what they did.
This post was edited on 3/6 6:22 PM by TPOKE
If a woman can unilaterally abort a pregnancy, a man should be allowed to abandon his responsibilities as a father before a baby is born. It's about choice.
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A 100% pro-lifer believes a fetus is equal to any other life. I can't imagine that you are going to find one that is going to tell you that abortion is OK in any instance because in doing so they would be admitting that killing a child is OK to prevent emotional trauma to another individual.
Frankly that's why I have a problem with the "except in case of rape or incest" crowd. If the fetus isn't a life, then who cares if abortion is used as birth control. If it is a life, how can you ever justify killing a child to keep the mother for having to carry it for 9 months before giving it up for adoption? It seems like a shaky position to me.
Long,
I would consider myself a 100% pro-lifer but I don't fit into your categorization exactly.
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You're either in or you're out on the conviction. Can't have it both ways. I'm in.
My daughter who is unable to have a child would love to adopt the baby of a 13 year old rape victim. That child would receive more love than 99% of all children born today.
I know it sounds weird in these days but I view the rights of the unborn in extremely high regard.
I love hearing right wingers' ideas and values take full flight.
"Judge, I wanted her to abort the kid so I'm out. See ya'll later." Love Republican family values!
What makes you think I'm a right winger?
Second, give me the justification for why it's a woman's choice and a mans responsibility? Most of the time those two go hand in hand. I can change my mind. I've just never understood why a woman has all the power when it comes to the choice when the child has two parents.
Second, give me the justification for why it's a woman's choice and a mans responsibility? Most of the time those two go hand in hand. I can change my mind. I've just never understood why a woman has all the power when it comes to the choice when the child has two parents.
What if your daughter was the 13 year old rape victim? I don't know the law, but I would assume a 13 year old doesn't have the authority to make the decision for herself whether to have the baby or not. So in your case you would force the 13 year old to have this baby even if she didn't want it? Seems like a pretty good way to ruin this kids life because some sick fuc raped her.
All but Glove and Creek breezed right past the rape part and went right to conditioned response.
Put a face on the rapist, say Debo from Friday, convictions would become flexible instantaneously.
Most of the thinking is in line with the avg hard on in Mumbai.
Put a face on the rapist, say Debo from Friday, convictions would become flexible instantaneously.
Most of the thinking is in line with the avg hard on in Mumbai.
