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Here we go over under on huge war under trump?

I am ready and willing to go to war with Iran. Russia and CHina on the other hand I hope never happens. Iran is a evil country and I think turning a blind eye will soon have then on the level as Russia or China only the leaders are sick people. Now the people of Iran are mostly decent people the people in charge would start WW 3 in a heart beat.


Going to war with Iran would be one of the dumbest things we could ever do. There are indeed a lot of bad and anti American leaders there, and there are a lot of bad and anti American citizens there as well. Theres also a lot of level headed and pro western younger people there that want to topple their government...they just don't have the means, leadership or numbers yet. It would take a very, very smart team of leaders here to pull it off (and it would be a long process), but I think Iran could some day end up being a useful US ally.

If we had put the energy into helping the young people in Iran revolt 10 years ago instead of going to war with Iraq... we may be in a very very different situation now.
 
The biggest issue with Iran is their leaders are religious fanatics and they actually need a global war to fulfill their religious prophecies and elevate Islam to the one and only true religion in the world.

War is not something they fear, they just want it to be on their terms and time schedule.

If the Democrats believe these people are looking for long term peace in the world they are morons.
 
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If we had put the energy into helping the young people in Iran revolt 10 years ago instead of going to war with Iraq... we may be in a very very different situation now.
If 0bama had engaged the Green Movement in Iran instead of being on an ass kissing quest to make the Iranian religious leaders like him/us, we may be in a very different situation right now.

If 0bama didn't have the worst Middle East policy imaginable, we might be in a very different situation right now.

That said, invading Iraq was dumb.
 
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If 0bama had engaged the Green Movement in Iran instead of being on an ass kissing quest to make the Iranian religious leaders like him/us, we may be in a very different situation right now.

If 0bama didn't have the worst Middle East policy imaginable, we might be in a very different situation right now.

That said, invading Iraq was dumb.


Agree on all of that and you can say the exact same thing about Bush, and I'm very afraid Trump will double down on the idiocy.
 
Of course Trump wants to start a war, this means more tanks, planes, ships, etc...you get volume discounts on these contracts, so it is a win/win for Trump, he not only will lower their unit costs just because he is a good negotiator and he will do that first, then he will say: What if I order XXX now....he then negotiates a volume discount on top....he builds the military cheaper than he can in peace time and you get the added benefits of more jobs in the USA. The US will leave the United Nations and the US will exit every treaty ever entered in to with the UN.

Once he builds the greatest fighting force in the history of the world he will force every country to capitulate to his demands and they either become democratic and terror free, or you get crushed by team Trump. Trump will partner with Russia and together will root out all terrorism and share the economic rewards (USA and Russia will split the middle east oil fields), Russia is needed to contain China, and China is the adolescent when it comes to being a power and we need an old foe that knows how to be a super power to keep them in check and is country we know that is smart enough to not use a nuke. Putin will come to Trump's next inauguration party and dance with Melania, CNN will televise the event and they will be down to one camera and one "journalist". The stock market will hit 40,000 spurred by plentiful and cheap oil, terrorists will be gone, the troops will come home to the finest health care that is available, US manufacturing will be back like never before spurred on by building the of wall, the infrastructure initiative, the build up of the military, US companies returning their manufacturing to the US, average wages will be at an all time high, taxes at an all time low, the deficit eliminated and healthcare will be free to everyone. Starbucks will be out of business because all of their stores will be destroyed. Washington will return many issues back to the states and the bureaucracy of Washington eliminated and the paid lobbyists are made illegal. With terrorism eliminated, Trump allows in to this country more immigrants than any President in history assisting the economic boom because the US can not fill all the jobs it creates. Trump being Trump will grow a mustache just like Hitler to mock his detractors.


The Democratic and Republican parties cease to exist, replaced by off-spring parties that are both more moderate and level headed. Before leaving office Trump wins the Nobel Peace Prize, Kellyanne Conway succeeds Trump as the first female President in the US. Trump retires and goes back to celebrity apprentice and claims it is the most watched show on earth.

This is all part of Trump's evil plan, Trump will become the defacto "benevolent and enlightened leader" that some political scientists describe as the most fair and efficient method of government.



 
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Going to war with Iran would be one of the dumbest things we could ever do. There are indeed a lot of bad and anti American leaders there, and there are a lot of bad and anti American citizens there as well. Theres also a lot of level headed and pro western younger people there that want to topple their government...they just don't have the means, leadership or numbers yet. It would take a very, very smart team of leaders here to pull it off (and it would be a long process), but I think Iran could some day end up being a useful US ally.

If we had put the energy into helping the young people in Iran revolt 10 years ago instead of going to war with Iraq... we may be in a very very different situation now.
So going to war with Iran is helping those people. We don't have to kill everyone and drop nukes there. There are other ways to win a war. If those people won't fight then why worry should be easy to topple them.
 
Trying to keep unhinged Muslim governments who support people killing themselves in order to kill others is a naziism reincarnated hail Hitler
 
Agree on all of that and you can say the exact same thing about Bush, and I'm very afraid Trump will double down on the idiocy.
I don't think Trump is a part of the neocon war monger group. Could be, but so far he doesn't fit the Bush/Hillary/0bama mold. He's made no overtures that overthrowing governments is something he delights in.
 
Agree on all of that and you can say the exact same thing about Bush, and I'm very afraid Trump will double down on the idiocy.
I don't think Trump is a part of the neocon war monger group. Could be, but so far he doesn't fit the Bush/Hillary/0bama mold. He's made no overtures that overthrowing governments is something he delights in.

Again I agree as far as he's not a warmonger, never have felt that he was. But I think there is zero chance he smartly handles Iran or anything in the middle east. It will be back to heavy sanctions and grouping all Iranians together as evil terrorist. I see no hope at all of he or especially Bannon reaching to moderate Muslims anywhere in the middle east as part of an overall plan. Bush admin was all hammer, no carrot. Obama was mostly carrot, little hammer. I think Trump will be all trebuchets full of money shit.
 
Again I agree as far as he's not a warmonger, never have felt that he was. But I think there is zero chance he smartly handles Iran or anything in the middle east. It will be back to heavy sanctions and grouping all Iranians together as evil terrorist. I see no hope at all of he or especially Bannon reaching to moderate Muslims anywhere in the middle east as part of an overall plan. Bush admin was all hammer, no carrot. Obama was mostly carrot, little hammer. I think Trump will be all trebuchets full of money shit.
Maybe so, but there is zero evidence so far to support your prediction.
 
Again I agree as far as he's not a warmonger, never have felt that he was. But I think there is zero chance he smartly handles Iran or anything in the middle east. It will be back to heavy sanctions and grouping all Iranians together as evil terrorist. I see no hope at all of he or especially Bannon reaching to moderate Muslims anywhere in the middle east as part of an overall plan. Bush admin was all hammer, no carrot. Obama was mostly carrot, little hammer. I think Trump will be all trebuchets full of money shit.
Maybe so, but there is zero evidence so far to support your prediction.

He couldn't even get a simple EO through to pause the immigration without it being messy. He also went out of his way to say that Christians would be allowed through but Muslims would not. Not being able to handle something as simple as that without it being confusing to implement and easy to spin as pro Christian/anti Muslim tells me that handling something infinitely more complex like the middle east, is not looking good.

Of course it isn't proof, but there are all sorts of red flags that tell me he isn't up to the challenge of something like turning Iran around, and Bannon would be dead set against it.
 
He couldn't even get a simple EO through to pause the immigration without it being messy. He also went out of his way to say that Christians would be allowed through but Muslims would not. Not being able to handle something as simple as that without it being confusing to implement and easy to spin as pro Christian/anti Muslim tells me that handling something infinitely more complex like the middle east, is not looking good.

Of course it isn't proof, but there are all sorts of red flags that tell me he isn't up to the challenge of something like turning Iran around, and Bannon would be dead set against it.
Speculation. Maybe DHS misinterpreted the EO. A sloppy rollout does not equate to future failures. Obamacare website is, eh, nevermind.

0bama tried to sell a multiple currency CASH ransom payment as paying a debt on the cheap. When Trump reaches that level of incompetence, let me know, and I'll see some red flags for sure.
 
He couldn't even get a simple EO through to pause the immigration without it being messy. He also went out of his way to say that Christians would be allowed through but Muslims would not. Not being able to handle something as simple as that without it being confusing to implement and easy to spin as pro Christian/anti Muslim tells me that handling something infinitely more complex like the middle east, is not looking good.

Of course it isn't proof, but there are all sorts of red flags that tell me he isn't up to the challenge of something like turning Iran around, and Bannon would be dead set against it.
He's been on the job 2 weeks tomorrow. I'll save the emotional knee jerk shit for after he's had some time to do shit with his folks in place. I did the same thing for 0bama.
 
Speculation. Maybe DHS misinterpreted the EO. A sloppy rollout does not equate to future failures. Obamacare website is, eh, nevermind.

0bama tried to sell a multiple currency CASH ransom payment as paying a debt on the cheap. When Trump reaches that level of incompetence, let me know, and I'll see some red flags for sure.

DHS Director was being briefed on the EO as it was issued. Rollout without consultation with legal/subject matter experts is more than a "sloppy rollout" and does kinda equate with future similar "act first, consult or consider later" actions.
 
He's been on the job 2 weeks tomorrow. I'll save the emotional knee jerk shit for after he's had some time to do shit with his folks in place. I did the same thing for 0bama.

How many "sloppy roll outs" does he get before we start to question whether he's gonna be a "sloppy President" in general?
 
Speculation. Maybe DHS misinterpreted the EO. A sloppy rollout does not equate to future failures. Obamacare website is, eh, nevermind.

0bama tried to sell a multiple currency CASH ransom payment as paying a debt on the cheap. When Trump reaches that level of incompetence, let me know, and I'll see some red flags for sure.


I'm just not really sure what you are looking for here. I've seen enough from he and Bannon to suggest to ME he wont be able to solve the middle east issues in a way that wins us allies there and I don't think Bannon has any desire at all to have Muslim allies.... period. I'm not sure what Obama has to do with any of that except that he couldn't do it either, which helps prove that it is an exceedingly difficult thing to do.

If you feel he can and will do it.. thats absolutely perfectly fine. That doesn't bother me in any way. I have no desire to convince anyone else of my doubts, I'm just expressing that I have them.
 
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How many "sloppy roll outs" does he get before we start to question whether he's gonna be a "sloppy President" in general?


I don't want to see his sloppy rolls out.

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I'm just not really sure what you are looking for here. I've seen enough from he and Bannon to suggest to ME he wont be able to solve the middle east issues in a way that wins us allies there and I don't think Bannon has any desire at all to have Muslim allies.... period. I'm not sure what Obama has to do with any of that except that he couldn't do it either, which helps prove that it is an exceedingly difficult thing to do.

If you feel he can and will do it.. thats absolutely perfectly fine. That doesn't bother me in any way. I have no desire to convince anyone else of my doubts, just expressing my own.

I think you are right on Bannon and not certain how much influence in the end he will have, but right now when you look at the middle east how many Islamic states are ever going to be friendly to the US, some of this just seems to be a geographical problem as much as an radical Islam problem.
 
I think you are right on Bannon and not certain how much influence in the end he will have, but right now when you look at the middle east how many Islamic states are ever going to be friendly to the US, some of this just seems to be a geographical problem as much as an radical Islam problem.

Its like 2million problems rolled into one. Radical Islam that literally wants to kill us all, history problems where we have royally effed up in the past and that's left a stain, Israeli problems that put us in a pickle, a lack of links to the outside world problems where they don't see or hear anything other than what their governments or terror cells want them to, massive economic problems which help make them angry, uneducated and easily swayed by terrorist minded people with cash.

But even with all of that.... we have good relations with Jordan (or I'm guessing we still do, I haven't kept up). We have military bases hosted in UAE, Turkey, Kuwait, etc We've even worked with Pakistan to fight terrorism. There are small dribbles of hope all over, but it will take incredible leadership here and there to put it all together while the ugliest elements fight it with a viciousness thats difficult to even comprehend.
 
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I think you are right on Bannon and not certain how much influence in the end he will have, but right now when you look at the middle east how many Islamic states are ever going to be friendly to the US, some of this just seems to be a geographical problem as much as an radical Islam problem.

I am so confused, conflicted, and simultaneously repulsed and genuinely intrigued by Bannon that I have the slightest clue what to think.
 
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I negotiate like trump.

The number of sloppy roll outs allowed just became 12.

It's the best number a beautiful number.

Trump will never give this country anything greater than this running gag. Its truly a treasure.
 
He stole it.

Bugs Bunny has been pulling that trick on Elmer Fudd for at least 60 years.


Correct, but I'm speaking more of his weird ass speech patterns. When someone nails it well I giggle like an idiot for the 1000th time.
 
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Trump will never give this country anything greater than this running gag. Its truly a treasure.
And that's the partisan echo chamber bullshit I'm not interested in. Plenty of us gave 0bama a chance. You lefties lost your minds right out of the gate. It's difficult to do anything but laugh at you at this point. I've tried to empathize, but the railroad to retard has eliminated that option.

0bama was perfect right? Where were you when he used the IRS as a weapon against dissent? Calling him Hitler I'm sure? Purposely misleading the American public for political gain? Just like the Nazis!

The Trump hysterics has picked up a quite fitting name. Sore Loser Syndrome. Everyday solidifies that name for middle of the road, don't give a shit about partisan politics guys like me. I'm a former blue voter.
 
And that's the partisan echo chamber bullshit I'm not interested in. Plenty of us gave 0bama a chance. You lefties lost your minds right out of the gate. It's difficult to do anything but laugh at you at this point. I've tried to empathize, but the railroad to retard has eliminated that option.

0bama was perfect right? Where were you when he used the IRS as a weapon against dissent? Calling him Hitler I'm sure? Purposely misleading the American public for political gain? Just like the Nazis!

The Trump hysterics has picked up a quite fitting name. Sore Loser Syndrome. Everyday solidifies that name for middle of the road, don't give a shit about partisan politics guys like me. I'm a former blue voter.



Francis..... I have a request.
 
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