Here we go over under on huge war under trump?
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We were talking about China and the disputed islands that they have militarized and what to do about them
And 0bama and Clinton did neither. They. Did. Nothing.
Maybe they didn't think it was worth giving up their leverage for some mounds of sand?
They did do the first thing you have to do......they went through the World court, which China just snubbed, but there is a process, a country like the US usually doesn't go in guns a blazing from the start
Can you show me where Trump actually stated that he wanted a trade war with China? I've never seen it. I've seen his statements in regards to evaluating our trade position with China extrapolated by leftists to mean a trade war. But never have I seen those words. Sorry, pulling out of TPP is not a trade war (Clinton even supported this). So if your entire premise is that he's already at (or closely approaching) trade war status and must go military to do anything, then you (not Trump) have created a strawman that doesn't exist, and you again show your leftism, as you would never extrapolate the same radical assumptions of a Dem candidate.
So you are satisfied with no real response or support for our Asian allies who share this disputed territory. Its a valid position, although not one I agree with. Just want to confirm that that is your position of how this should be handled.
Pulling out of TPP was a mistake IMO. The big advantage for the US with the TPP was not the actual trade deals, it would have given the US more economic and Political influence in the region, sometimes you have to compromise and take a less advantageous deal to get that. Now, China will move into that role by themselves. There was two years left to negotiate the TPP, it was not the way we wanted it, but to just cancel it sent a huge message to those countries
i believe plt introduced trump made declaration of trade war with military as the only remaining leverage
you commented excellent point
my comments were directed in line with those two posts as i don't think trump has declared a trade war and left the military as the only option
trump has only leveraged into a position of power instead of the everybody's a good person with good intentions obama route
You have to try the political route first, that has definitely failed, so now the next step.........according to Secretary of State Tillerman I guess is a blockade..........
My position is that when you don't have many cards in your hand that you play them carefully. You certainly don't pull out your trump card over some man made islands.
Obviously something different. A trade war means that we either sanction or tarriff the crap out of China goods to the point of eliminating trade as an option and they do the same to us. Since when did highlighting a need to renegotiate the existing trade parameters or highlighting improper currency practices amount to a Trade war? And obviously you believe that both Bernie and Hillary believe that your "trade war" was the right action, since BOTH were against the TPP. (Although there is some belief that being against TPP was only Hillary's 'public' position, and that her 'private' position may have been different.)
The TPP didn't have anything to do with China. You can argue semantics all you want, but they key plank of the Trump platform was to bring jobs back from China.
“I’d love to have a trade war with China.
…If we did no business with China, frankly, we will save a lot of money.”
- Donald Trump,
In an interview with Fox News
What trump card? What's Trump done besides say a few words. He hasn't sent ships yet. He hasn't played any cards. As for how many cards he has, its exactly the cards that Obama left him. So if you are unhappy that he doesn't have many cards, then blame Obama. Although I imagine you'd tell me that's Bush's fault too.
You do know that the interview with that quote per your own site was from 2010. Not sure that's relevant to his current policy. And now I know why I never saw it.
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In an interview with Fox News, explaining once again his brilliant economic plan to grow our wealth by decreasing it
November 9, 2010"
it's all talk at this point
obama couldn't even talk tough
he just went to bowing, kneeling, kissing rings and happy endings
Is this assessment based on some facts the rest of us have missed or just your hope?
Funny, Mega analyzing quotes as negotiating tactics, and you say he's just hoping. You analyze the same quotes and your FACTS state they he has started a Trade war and thus only through military intervention (and world war 3) can we now deal with China. Or is this just what you are hoping for? I mean, it is your interpretation, because we can all agree, he hasn't actually DONE anything outside of cancel a treaty that all 3 realistic presidential candidates (Trump, Hillary, Sanders) had agreed to cancel.
Funny I never heard Trump advocating for war with Russia during the debates.
Trump has been in office for less than two weeks and there is already talk of war with Iran, Russia and China. Not to mention the troubles in Syria. Lazy foreign policy by his predecessor is the biggest problem.
My statement is referring to the belief that DJT does or believes something other than what he says- the hope that he has some grand plan in mind v. just saying what he feels in the moment.
You may hope he has some long game running regarding Taiwan and China - some of us are coming to take what he says at face value.
Iran is on notice. I would presume that means another incident would result in serious consequences including military action. You may hope that threat is a prelude to negotiations of some sort, evidence suggests it is just what it looks like - a warning.
You keep this up I'm going to draw a red line in the sand and you better not cross it.
Try to follow along.
You said: So you are satisfied with no real response or support for our Asian allies who share this disputed territory. Its a valid position, although not one I agree with. Just want to confirm that that is your position of how this should be handled.
I said: My position is that when you don't have many cards in your hand that you play them carefully. You certainly don't pull out your trump card over some man made islands.
No mention of Trump (the proper noun). I was referring to the cards the obama administration (and every administration dating back to Clinton at least) had. The trump card is of course trade.
Seriously, you are the one that is so pathologically partisan you can't even keep straight what we are discussing.
Trade, the global order, the economic environment that has allowed China to thrive.
No, we were talking about how Trump has supposedly declared a trade war against China, when, in reality, China has been waging that war for a decade, at least.
I'll cross your red line any time I damn well please. Likely with a beer bottle in each hand. You can happily take one when offered or I'll bust it over that thick skull of yours. The second one is mine.
I am ready and willing to go to war with Iran. Russia and CHina on the other hand I hope never happens. Iran is a evil country and I think turning a blind eye will soon have then on the level as Russia or China only the leaders are sick people. Now the people of Iran are mostly decent people the people in charge would start WW 3 in a heart beat.
Again, what leverage? 0bama and the Administration of Apology had no plans to do anything meaningful. And They. Did. Exactly. Nothing. Except pivot, whatever that meant.
Retroactive toughness is not a realistic or sustainable strategy.
I tell you this in the most nonpartisan and earnest way I can. The people that taught you that Iran is bad are the people that you hate. They are the deep state neocons and Hillary Clinton is part of their club. Question everything you hear about Iran.
No. They are currently in proxy wars against Al Qaeda and ISIS and their ideological supporters.
This should be easier to understand in the age of Trump. Sometimes the things that are said are for effect.
