Health Care
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You tell me, that is how you like to play this game. I answered with details when you asked another poster. Show us how enlightened you are. You don't care, that is what you told me previously. I get it.
Done wasting time on you, I spent a good chunk of time respecting your time and my time with a very detailed post explaining the economic facts and you dismiss it with a lazy one sentence.
I do not have time for the dumbazz AOC's of the world like you who are so clueless and think they are so much more enlightened than everyone else is.
Vote in a socialistic society that does not elevate you, that does not elevate anyone. Go for it, I hope to be retired soon. I will have built up my nest egg and can live anywhere in the world if I want while Amercians are reduced to picketing Washington like Europeans do for a few crumbs from their rulers once they turn over control of society to the AOC's and Omar's of the world.
I'm suprised nobody that quotes that huge number has ever had the intellectual curiosity to ask what the alternative number is. It's almost as if..... these people that generate the talking point know their demographic won't question the narrative.
The Affordable Care Act made healthcare much more affordable. Why would you not trust Democrats with Medicare for All?
I don't think he's the one saying Medicare for All is the solution. You should crank the Medicare for All numbers so we can see how his numbers would be with Medicare for All and then we can compare those numbers with the numbers he already cranked earlier in the thread.
Huh? He was the one saying it was more expensive without giving something to compare to
He already gave what he currently pays and stated he thinks Medicare for All will be much more expensive. Someone in the know of how much cheaper Medicare for All shouldbe able to show him he's wrong.
But while we are here Mercatus (Hardly a left wing establishment) estimates $3.26 trillion per year over 10 years for Bernie's Medicare for all plan. Other more generous estimates range from $1.38 to $2.8trillion.
We spent $3.3 trillion in 2016 on healthcare.
We spent $3.3 trillion in 2016 on healthcare.
Wow so the data we have is what one person currently pays and what he thinks he will pay. Man we got the numbers cranking!
Yep
BTW, I am joining the party late, so I may have misread the line of questions. If I didn't misread it, then my question is:
Should we just be comparing how much is spent on healthcare now, vs what it would be for Bernie's plan or should we be assessing the cost and value of the care we get now to the cost and value of the care that we would get under Bernie's plan.
Well, he was talking about his own situation. Should he have to also discuss the insurance cost situations of 325,000,000+ other people in order to tell us about his own?
Yeah that would be good, but I'm gonna have to leave that to some one else. They are more less apples to apples.
Like I said 3.26 per year over 10 years and that's the high end estimate.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...1/how-expensive-would-single-payer-system-be/
Did you read the assumption to come up with that $3.2 trillion per year? I don't need politifact when I linked Mercatus.
Total it up to talk about his own situation? Seems strange. He's talking about his costs, not the costs of everyone combined.
Link for the $3.3 trillion figure for 2016?
So what is the assumption the Mercatus study used to come to $3.2 trillion per year? It's actually important to the $3.2 trillion you are referencing from Mercatus.
Here more up to date even https://www.cms.gov/research-statis...enddata/nationalhealthaccountshistorical.html
Nope. The Mercatus study made the assumption that current Medicare provider payments would be cut by 40%.
"Indeed, just a few days after the study was released, Dr. Blahous wrote in The Wall Street Journal that “Some have seized on a scenario in my estimates showing a slight decline in projected total public and private health expenditures under Medicare for All. But that decline, relative to current projections, relies on an assumption that (M4A) would immediately and dramatically cut provider payment rates by roughly 40 percent.”
If payments get cut by 40% docs couldn’t survive and you would not want care from the folks who hang around.
Oh, right. Are you expecting healthcare to operate as is with current Medicare reimbursement rates becoming the only source of revenue?
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