Have I got this right, a Leftist and legit Nationalist Socialist
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I’ll make this really easy for you guys lol...those aren’t me. I don’t post from multiple accounts and never have. Don’t be idiots.
You just passed along a talking point, you were challenged, and you turned tits up. The truth is the first thing out the window with you guys. Belch, fart, lie is a helluva ideology.
Assuming you aren't lying, you can understand why one would think they are you.
So you don't want to discuss. Especially when cornered.
He was a leftist socialist. Lots of his fascist talking points have been repeated by Democrats (modern fascists) over the last 30 (or more) years.
Fascism is on the extreme right of the political spectrum. But keep digging your hole it’s entertaining lol
Real history should silence modernist's ignorance. The problem is, you remain ignorant.
Who is the philosophical founder of fascism toontown?
When you have to twist history around to frame a narrative, you’re doing it wrong lol.
“Ignorant”
**doesn't know how to read and is a victim of leftist propaganda**
Let me repeat the question: Who is the philosophical founder of fascism?
Should be a relatively simple question to answer.
The issue is a circular continuum, not linear; the further one goes left or right ends up at the same result (extreme violence) and the name doesn't matter; fascist/communist are both going to end lives
AND YOU KNOW IT. @CBradSmith @N. Pappagiorgio
Those handles definitely aren't you though. Those are too creative for your capabilities. ***shrugs shoulders***
I dont deny anything, why make that statement?
Just as there were "buyers" in yesterday's trading action, you'd never know it. For every seller, there was a buyer, yet the market was a sell off.
Sometimes (frequently) claims that the person had leftist leanings is related to an attempt to level the field of discussion, by calling out reality....where other consolidated and coordinated influencers will not:
Strike one.
Let me help. Giovanni Gentile.
He provided the intellectual structure for fascism and ghostwrote much of The Doctrine of Fascism for Benito Mussolini.
Most historians in academia today are committed leftists, so they smartly want to erase him from history.
Any guesses why?
I am guessing not because he "described the traits characteristic of Italian Fascism at the time: compulsory state corporatism, Philosopher Kings, the abolition of the parliamentary system, and autarky."?
He was a leftist and a committed socialist. To Gentile (and Mussolini and Hitler), fascism was a form of socialism -- its most workable form.
Besides that D'Souza video that you've posted a few times here, where are you reading this information? What scholarly source(s)? Or amateur historians, whatever?
Despite Gentile’s disagreement with Marx about historical inevitability, he broke with modern conservatism and classical liberalism and revealed himself to be a man of the left. Gentile was, in fact, a lifelong socialist. Like Marx, he viewed socialism as the sine qua non of social justice, the ultimate formula for everyone paying their “fair share.” For Gentile, fascism is nothing more than a modified form of socialism, a socialism arising not merely from material deprivation but also from an aroused national consciousness, a socialism that unites rather than divides communities.
Gentile also perceived socialism emerging out of revolutionary struggle, what the media today terms “protest” or “activism.” Revolutionaries, Gentile says, must be ready to disregard conventional rules and they must be willing to use violence. Gentile seems to be the unacknowledged ancestor of the street activism of Antifa and other leftist groups. “One of the major virtues of fascism,” he writes, “is that it obliged those who watched from the windows to come down into the street.”
For Gentile, private action should be mobilized to serve the public interest, and there is no distinction between the private interest and the public interest. Correctly understood, the two are identical. Gentile argued that society represents “the very personality of the individual divested of accidental differences … where the individual feels the general interest as his own and wills therefore as might the general will.” In the same vein, Gentile argued that corporations too should serve the public welfare and not just the welfare of their owners and shareholders.
Society and the state—for Gentile, the two were one and the same. Gentile saw the centralized state as the necessary administrative arm of society. Consequently, to submit to society is to submit to the state, not just in economic matters, but in all matters. Since everything is political, the state gets to tell everyone how to think and also what to do—there is no private sphere unregulated by the state. And to forestall resistance to the state, Gentile argued that the government should act not merely as a lawmaker but also a teacher, using the schools to promulgate its values and priorities.
“All is in the state and nothing human exists or has value outside the state.” Mussolini said that, in the Dottrina del fascismo, one of the doctrinal statements of early fascism, but Gentile wrote it or, as we may say today, ghost wrote it. Gentile was, as you have probably figured by now, the leading philosopher of fascism. “It was Gentile,” Mussolini confessed, “who prepared the road for those like me who wished to take it.”
Gentile also perceived socialism emerging out of revolutionary struggle, what the media today terms “protest” or “activism.” Revolutionaries, Gentile says, must be ready to disregard conventional rules and they must be willing to use violence. Gentile seems to be the unacknowledged ancestor of the street activism of Antifa and other leftist groups. “One of the major virtues of fascism,” he writes, “is that it obliged those who watched from the windows to come down into the street.”
For Gentile, private action should be mobilized to serve the public interest, and there is no distinction between the private interest and the public interest. Correctly understood, the two are identical. Gentile argued that society represents “the very personality of the individual divested of accidental differences … where the individual feels the general interest as his own and wills therefore as might the general will.” In the same vein, Gentile argued that corporations too should serve the public welfare and not just the welfare of their owners and shareholders.
Society and the state—for Gentile, the two were one and the same. Gentile saw the centralized state as the necessary administrative arm of society. Consequently, to submit to society is to submit to the state, not just in economic matters, but in all matters. Since everything is political, the state gets to tell everyone how to think and also what to do—there is no private sphere unregulated by the state. And to forestall resistance to the state, Gentile argued that the government should act not merely as a lawmaker but also a teacher, using the schools to promulgate its values and priorities.
“All is in the state and nothing human exists or has value outside the state.” Mussolini said that, in the Dottrina del fascismo, one of the doctrinal statements of early fascism, but Gentile wrote it or, as we may say today, ghost wrote it. Gentile was, as you have probably figured by now, the leading philosopher of fascism. “It was Gentile,” Mussolini confessed, “who prepared the road for those like me who wished to take it.”
From Gentile's The Doctrine of Fascism
Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon, but when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognises the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade-unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonised in the unity of the State. (p.15)
Ouch
Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon, but when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognises the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade-unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonised in the unity of the State. (p.15)
Ouch
Another
Fascism [is] the precise negation of that doctrine which formed the basis of the so-called Scientific or Marxian Socialism. (p. 30)
Ouch
Fascism [is] the precise negation of that doctrine which formed the basis of the so-called Scientific or Marxian Socialism. (p. 30)
Ouch
When people like you ignore history and what people actually wrote, said, and believed ... there's no teaching.
You make a fantastic fascist, which is what the Dem party has been hurtling towards for years.
Here's another bit of history from someone who would really know the truth: President Ronald Reagan said, "If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism."
Gentile disagreed with Marx's ideas on implementing socialism (how it operated in the state), clearly, the record is there.
The socialism of Marx mobilized people on the basis of class.
The socialism of Gentile appealed on the basis of their national national identity as well as their class. So, fascists are socialists with a national identity.
To Gentile there was no distinction between private interest and the public interest. The state gets to tell everyone how to think and what to do.
"All is the state and nothing human exists or has value outside the state."
So he was a statist instead of a socialist. Cool.
Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon, but when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognises the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade-unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonised in the unity of the State. (p.15)
Absolutely not a leftist.
Fascism is therefore opposed to all individualistic abstractions based on eighteenth century materialism; and it is opposed to all Jacobinistic utopias and innovations.
We stand for a new principle in the world, we stand for sheer, categorical, definitive antithesis to the world of democracy, plutocracy, free-masonry, to the world which still abides by the fundamental principles laid down in 1789
In rejecting democracy, Fascism rejects the absurd conventional lie of political equalitarianism, the habit of collective irresponsibility, the myth of felicity and indefinite progress.
