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Boyd v burak
Near TD ftom Boyd but nothing
TD burak 2-0
Escape 2-1
2-1 after 1

Burak down
3-1 burak
TD burak 5-1
Escape 5-2
End of 2

Boyd down
Escape 5-3
5-3 final
13-18 Iowa

Didn't hear Iowa fans whining about stalling last minute of 197!!
 
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I would go with Boyd at 184. He doesn't have the skills of Rogers, but he doesn't quit.
 
Would Boyd have been dominated like Rodgers was? Disappointing. It's early so no reason to get too pissed but man it's been disappointing to watch.
 
Not to be Debbie downer, but we haven't looked good on bottom either. Early on...plenty of time to improve....
 
Well looks like today they should have been switched. Oh well. Let's hope for a pin for the win!!!
 
Marsden v stoll

Bs stall warning on marsden
0-0 after 1

Marsden down
Escape 1-0
1-1 stall on Marsden
TD marsden 3-1
3-1 after 2

Neutral
TD marsden 5-1
Marsden wins 6-1
16-18 final iowa.
 
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Onepokeovertheline said:
We aren't ever going to peak until February/March. Fitness right now doesn't concern me. It's obvious to me that Iowa trained for this.
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As a wresting ignoramus, what is the argument for NOT approaching the early season this way? I don't recall Iowa bombing out in March too much over the years because they trained too early.
 
Need some clarity on this new stalling call.....if a wrestler pushes another wrestler out the one pushing should be hit with stalling, but if a wrestler BACKS out on his own, he should be hit. Correct?
 
I don't think that Iowa was in much better shape than we were....it's just that their push and pull style allows them to drain opponents while not doing anything terribly offensive. If we're gonna win against Iowa, we've got to separate and score takedowns, which is much easier to do when you're in Feb/Mar shape.
 
Good job by both teams! Really cool event. Other than 184 not much different than expected. Iowa will always be in better shape in November. Pokes will be better in March.
 
MiccoMacey said:
125: Klimara
133: GWH
141: Heil
149: Collica
157: Marstetter


What's a better lineup?
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Picinninni
Brock
Heil
Collica
Smith
Is a much better line-up Eddie never can beat the top guys so let Pic get some experience and see if he can compete as we already know that Eddie can not hang with the big boys. Gary Wayne is certainly not the answer he has looked average at best and Chance has never pulled weight and is showing he has no clue how to pull weight successfully. If we want to win this year we are going to have to pull a few redshirts it is just that simple.
 
pokefan4life said:
Picinninni
Brock
Heil
Collica
Smith
Is a much better line-up Eddie never can beat the top guys so let Pic get some experience and see if he can compete as we already know that Eddie can not hang with the big boys. Gary Wayne is certainly not the answer he has looked average at best and Chance has never pulled weight and is showing he has no clue how to pull weight successfully. If we want to win this year we are going to have to pull a few redshirts it is just that simple.
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Nick p should shirt.
 
We really need to drill on the new rules at some time. We were starting early and not waiting the second after the set in the down position. Also we left our backs exposed to the back of the mat after our escapes and Iowa just pushed us out for the warnings and stalls. None of those points made the difference in the match, but it sure did not help us.

I think if you drill on conditioning now you run the risks of two things in March.
1.More injuries
2.You spend less time drilling on technique.

Recently John seems to get it done in March.
 
Onepokeovertheline said:
We aren't ever going to peak until February/March. Fitness right now doesn't concern me. It's obvious to me that Iowa trained for this.
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Fitness is just a matter of priority. Long term training is a series of peaks and troughs, not sure why we wouldn't try to time our conditioning to be at a peak for something like this?

I'm not sure I've ever had more steam coming out of my ears during a cowboy wrestling match than I did today at 74. Someone, PLEASE tell me he's sick or something. Otherwise, I'm just not sure what to think there.
 
Great event and some good wrestling. Not surprised we weren't in March shape. Only real disappointment was Rodgers. Unless there's a sickness or injury invoked there's no excuse for that performance in front of 45k.
 
Even if you put out Brock today you're going to get the same result kudos to Harding for not giving up bonus I think they should let him hold that spot until further notice as far as 157 goes I remember Iowa having a similar (Not completely) situation at 125 2 years ago when Clark wasn't wrestling well there and they decided to go with Gilman and some time later Clark got his weight under control and ended up taking the spot I know it's not an exact comparison but regardless I'm not going to ridicule Chance he has taken a lot of **** since he decided to go to OSU he needs to figure out how bad he really wants to win I'm a buckeye fan but I am very fond of your guys team Marsteller looked awesome early in the 1st and I'm not going to give up on him just yet I'm hoping he puts this together soon
 
Alpha Poke said:
Fitness is just a matter of priority. Long term training is a series of peaks and troughs, not sure why we wouldn't try to time our conditioning to be at a peak for something like this?

I'm not sure I've ever had more steam coming out of my ears during a cowboy wrestling match than I did today at 74. Someone, PLEASE tell me he's sick or something. Otherwise, I'm just not sure what to think there.
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You mean 184?
 
Pokefan4life,

Appreciate your input.

I don't see how replacing a senior All-American with a freshman is making the lineup better. Picinninni hasn't proven he can beat the top guys. Heck, he hasn't even proven he can beat the bottom guys.

And I agree, some red shirts are going to need to be pulled. OSU has a legitimate shot at winning it all this year. But there are several other ways to determine which of those freshmen need to have their red shirts pulled. One of the first duals of the season, against a top ten team in Iowa, on the road, in a strange environment for a dual, I'm not sure that's the right time to determine that.
 
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Alpha Poke said:
Fitness is just a matter of priority. Long term training is a series of peaks and troughs, not sure why we wouldn't try to time our conditioning to be at a peak for something like this?

I'm not sure I've ever had more steam coming out of my ears during a cowboy wrestling match than I did today at 74. Someone, PLEASE tell me he's sick or something. Otherwise, I'm just not sure what to think there.
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I agree. It's really hard to watch us look unconditioned. You can only peak so many times in a season though. Kyle looked similar last year early, and then really came on. Marsteller is the one that really worries me though.

I wonder why Boyd went instead of Schafer. Burak is a very big 97.

Reading the thread ... I pretty much agree with most of what's been said. No one really looked fantastic. Alex and Dean were dominant, but they were pretty workman like performances.

As John says often - it's all practice until March. We are still pretty danged strong. Hopefully we will do nothing but improve through the season.

Wife is there. Can't wait to hear what she has to say.
 
100TonsofOrangeFury said:
That is simply hard to imagine from watching today. Boyd is all heart and go power, 180 degrees from what Rodgers put out there.
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I went to the ocu open. Jordan dominated Nolan. I wasn't there, but he supposedly looked great at the oklahoma open too. That being said ... I doubt Boyd would have gotten teched today. I hope Rogers was sick or something.
 
Cowguy said:
I went to the ocu open. Jordan dominated Nolan. I wasn't there, but he supposedly looked great at the oklahoma open too. That being said ... I doubt Boyd would have gotten teched today. I hope Rogers was sick or something.
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He has been beating him handily. I don't know what the problem was today.
 
As cool as this event was you peak for ncaas and nothing else. J Rogers has had issues on bottom since he got to OSU, not sure what the deal is. I think Boyd went 197 to see how he fares(which I thought was pretty good) and also possibly because Schafer gassed last weekend v Johnson.
As much as it would have been nice to win today, I think Coach treated this like any other early season dual. It's not worth deviating from the year long plan.
 
april racer said:
As cool as this event was you peak for ncaas and nothing else. J Rogers has had issues on bottom since he got to OSU, not sure what the deal is. I think Boyd went 197 to see how he fares(which I thought was pretty good) and also possibly because Schafer gassed last weekend v Johnson.
As much as it would have been nice to win today, I think Coach treated this like any other early season dual. It's not worth deviating from the year long plan.
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You're probably right
 
april racer said:
As cool as this event was you peak for ncaas and nothing else. J Rogers has had issues on bottom since he got to OSU, not sure what the deal is. I think Boyd went 197 to see how he fares(which I thought was pretty good) and also possibly because Schafer gassed last weekend v Johnson.
As much as it would have been nice to win today, I think Coach treated this like any other early season dual. It's not worth deviating from the year long plan.
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Okay, I hear ya, and that makes sense. My question is, why doesn't Iowa suffer at NCAAs? They appear to peak as well? What gives? I'm not questioning what we do, we've done it for years now, I'm just wondering why there isn't more imperical evidence to support our approach?
 
Kudos to Coach Smith and your team for coming up to do this. It was a very cool event, and it says a lot about the mentality of wrestlers when the #1 team puts themselves out there like this for their first meet.

Would be cool if this happened again, but in Stillwater or Happy Valley.
 
Greenway4Prez said:
Kudos to Coach Smith and your team for coming up to do this. It was a very cool event, and it says a lot about the mentality of wrestlers when the #1 team puts themselves out there like this for their first meet.

Would be cool if this happened again, but in Stillwater or Happy Valley.
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+1 Thanks to Coach Smith and the Cowboys for agreeing to this dual. Brands had some great quotes about how easy it was to talk Smith into doing it. As a fan who got to attend, it was awesome. And as a wrestling fan, I'd like to see other teams do this, even if it takes the attendance record away from Iowa.
 
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Onepokeovertheline said:
He has been beating him handily. I don't know what the problem was today.
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Boyd is not Sammy Brooks. 2 different wrestlers and styles.
Starters should be determined by who matches up better with the guys outside of the room and not who wins the head to heads between guys in the room.
 
Alpha Poke said:
Okay, I hear ya, and that makes sense. My question is, why doesn't Iowa suffer at NCAAs? They appear to peak as well? What gives? I'm not questioning what we do, we've done it for years now, I'm just wondering why there isn't more imperical evidence to support our approach?
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The last few years we had exceeded expectation
PapaBearSLIM said:
Boyd is not Sammy Brooks. 2 different wrestlers and styles.
Starters should be determined by who matches up better with the guys outside of the room and not who wins the head to heads between guys in the room.
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I agree and thought Rogers would match up well, but boy was I wrong. I was thinking they would match up well with upper body stuff, but it didn't even go there. Brooks took him down and killed him on the mat. Rogers has had issues underneath before.
 
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