Global warming information.

[Headhunter]

I'm a global warming skeptic but we have a lot of true believers. Global warming is like religion, facts don't mean much to a true believer.

58 2017 peer-reviewed scientific papers say global warming is a myth. I thought there was scientific consensus? Interesting short read. Look forward to having our resident believers debunk this.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...al-warming-is-myth-58-scientific-papers-2017/

 

[OKSTATE1]

I wish the world was as concerned with terrorism as global warming. Terrorism is an immediate threat and is an undisputed problem. Priorities.......

 

[07pilt]

I wish the world was as concerned with terrorism as global warming. Terrorism is an immediate threat and is an undisputed problem. Priorities.......

What is your terrorism solution?

 

[OKSTATE1]

What is your terrorism solution?

Go read HSH's thread about threshold. What is yours?

 

[OKSTATE1]

Also, if the whole world including the middle eastern states that export terrorists saw this as a problem it could be ended. The multiculturalists are going to have admit some forms of multiculturalism is not going to work.

 

[07pilt]

Ah closed borders, a solution in search of a problem.

 

[OKSTATE1]

Ah closed borders, a solution in search of a problem.

What is your solution? Solve global warming?

 

[long-duc-dong]

Shower them with love, jobs, skilled training, pie charts, multiple graphs from fred and I think you'll instantly see a reduction in terrorist activity as well as a cooling of the planet.

 

[07pilt]

What is your solution? Solve global warming?

For terrorism? Punish countries that support Salafism/Wahhabism. Keep a closer eye on people who were on a show called "The Jihadis Next Door." Recognize this is a war of ideology and focus on winning that at all cost

 

[07pilt]

Shower them with love, jobs, skilled training, pie charts, multiple graphs from fred and I think you'll instantly see a reduction in terrorist activity as well as a cooling of the planet.

lol burn. I do like graphs

 

[Medic007]

Punish countries that support Salafism/Wahhabism.

How should they be punished?

 

[07pilt]

The opposite of this.
First step would be to end all weapons sales. Second would be to end military cooperation. Third economic sanctions.

 

[07pilt]

to be fair and balanced

 

[OKSTATE1]

For terrorism? Punish countries that support Salafism/Wahhabism. Keep a closer eye on people who were on a show called "The Jihadis Next Door." Recognize this is a war of ideology and focus on winning that at all cost

Would not have to keep an eye on the Jihadist (Murderer) next door if you do not allow them to be next door, allowing that is just plain STUPID. Prevention....not tolerance and detective work....this is failing and it is a fact. Murdering and murderists is an ideology and somehow we have to win that? Why could we not win the "ideological" war with nazism without massive bloodshed? Should we have allowed Germans in our country during WW2? Make no mistake we are at war and the reason really does not matter, they are murderers and they need to be stopped. Their own bloodlines and fellow countrymen if they gave a rat's @ss would stand up and stop them. Either they are cowards, or deep down they silently approve of the behavior. They are not morally offended enough to say their culture does not accept it and to stop it. We need no part of that culture.

How you gonna punish those countries? Say bad boy? We need to isolate them, no more mass exodus of the civilian population, let them fight for their own country or die at the hands of their own bloodlines and their own culture and belief system.

Their "ideology" and values do not mix with western culture and as a US citizen I have no responsibility to them to win this "ideological" war or for them to come to this country and to not assimilate and to be accepting of our culture, I have assimilated in to this country, I am not going to change my culture and reassimilate and accept multiculturalism and the death toll that comes with it.

 

[07pilt]

Would not have to keep an eye on the Jihadist (Murderer) next door if you do not allow them to be next door, allowing that is just plain STUPID.

That horse is out of the barn.

Prevention....not tolerance and detective work....this is failing and it is a fact.

On the 73rd anniversary of D-Day we honor their bravery by filling our diapers when faced with annual death tolls in the hundreds.

Murdering and murderists is an ideology and somehow we have to win that? Why could we not win the "ideological" war with nazism without massive bloodshed?

Perhaps you have heard, we didn't destroy nazi ideology only their state. Millions of lives lost and the ideology is still with us today.

Should we have allowed Germans in our country during WW2?

Maybe?

Make no mistake we are at war and the reason really does not matter, they are murderers and they need to be stopped.

With who?

Their own bloodlines and fellow countrymen if they gave a rat's @ss would stand up and stop them. Either they are cowards, or deep down they silently approve of the behavior.

Maybe you have heard about the wars in the middle east?

How you gonna punish those countries? Say bad boy?

See above reply to medic. I wander what you will do to match the tone of your rhetoric, bad boy? Put your money where your mouth is.

Their ideology and values do not mix with western culture and

That would be news to the 3.3 million Muslims living in America

as a US citizen I have no responsibility to them to win this "ideological" war

As an American citizen do you have any responsibility? You bitched on a message board about closed borders so you did your part I guess. If you don't fight Wahhabism on an ideological level then they will keep making you fill your diaper on a regular basis.

 

[Medic007]

The opposite of this.
First step would be to end all weapons sales. Second would be to end military cooperation. Third economic sanctions.

So, just like we did with Iran. How's that working out? At some point maybe we'll realize that bullying countries into submission doesn't actually make them want to eagerly hand over their lunch money.

 

[OKSTATE1]

That horse is out of the barn.


On the 73rd anniversary of D-Day we honor their bravery by filling our diapers when faced with annual death tolls in the hundreds.




Perhaps you have heard, we didn't destroy nazi ideology only their state. Millions of lives lost and the ideology is still with us today.




Maybe?

With who?

Maybe you have heard about the wars in the middle east?


See above reply to medic. I wander what you will do to match the tone of your rhetoric, bad boy? Put your money where your mouth is.


That would be news to the 3.3 million Muslims living in America As an American citizen do you have any responsibility? You bitched on a message board about closed borders so you did your part I guess. If you don't fight Wahhabism on an ideological level then they will keep making you fill your diaper on a regular basis.

Only person acting like a bitch is you. Hope you do not have a Jihadist living next door since you accept the cat being out of the bag, I am sure you can convert him thru your ideological prowess.

 

[07pilt]

So, just like we did with Iran. How's that working out? At some point maybe we'll realize that bullying countries into submission doesn't actually make them want to eagerly hand over their lunch money.

We both know that Iran and the GCC are night and day in terms of dependence on US support.

 

[07pilt]

Only person acting like a bitch is you. Hope you do not have a Jihadist living next door since you accept the cat being out of the bag, I am sure you can convert him thru your ideological prowess.

Be safe on your crusades in the middle east or your murderous rampage through Dearborn.

 

[OKSTATE1]

Be safe on your crusades in the middle east or your murderous rampage through Dearborn.

You post this gem: "On the 73rd anniversary of D-Day we honor their bravery by filling our diapers when faced with annual death tolls in the hundreds."

You are something....you dismiss the "hundreds" that have died at the hands of terrorists as some low death toll to be proud of given the sacrifice on D Day while suggesting for me to engage in some form of terrorism? You think this all a joke? WTF with diaper references?

I get D day, my dad fought in the Philippines (some of the worst fighting) my Uncle died in the Philippines, spare me the lecture on D day and the details of war, some of the stuff my dad told me was off the chart in terms of brutality....all I will say is the only rule in war is kill or be killed. To compare lives lost on D day to the "hundreds" that died at the hands of terrorists on D day make no sense to me. Those that fought in WW2 were heroes that fought bravely while the victims of terrorists are innocent civilians who had no idea they were under attack. It was a brutal war, but at least we fought an enemy brave enough to face us and identify themselves. For those in this world that want peace, justice, and goodness on this earth? Everyone of those lives are equally valuable, be it a soldier on D day that unselfishly gave his life to protect the values of his country, or an innocent civilian going about their life trying to improve their family. Those that are wolves and murder and prey on those that can not protect themselves? May god extinguish their lives as quickly as possible. You want to talk D day and shitting diapers and the "hundreds" that have died due to terrorism? I think you are not projecting the long-term prospects for what this country looks like 10 or 20 years down the road if we do not make changes in how we approach the terrorist issue.

My bloodlines gave their blood for this country...and that war changed my dad. I KNOW what my family gave their blood for, and it is not to see this country infested with murderers and for our culture to follow the 12 step program to complicity:

https://oklahomastate.forums.rivals...nds-of-liberal-complicity.62094/#post-1010958

My dad's generation saw no "gray" area, there was just right and wrong. I literally had to explain to my dad what political correctness was, it was a concept he never understood. When I first used and then had to explain the term, he told me if that was what they were teaching me at OSU then I was getting a very poor education. He was dead on serious.

You seem to not value human life as long as it does not impact your family and your definition of order in this world can be accepted by losing only "hundreds" of lives. I hope one day one of your family members does not become a statistic buried in the few "hundreds", my family has suffered its share of tragic loss beyond war. Stats are real people and it can actually happen to your family. I know.

Better go back and read my posts over the last 2 days real careful..... only one talking crusades and murderous rampage is you. I have made it clear, crystal clear, part of my strategy is for no American blood to be shed in the middle east and to prevent an American whiplash that pulls America in to an all at war in the middle east. Part of that strategy will absolutely require keeping our home borders 100% secure and isolating certain middle eastern countries. I am ok keeping up the "ideological" war, but it is not nearly enough, I fail to see how my solution and your solution are mutually exclusive, and I am making a big assumption here but anymore in this country it comes down to political party affiliation and only one solution that exists and not attacking the problem with everything we have. Odd to me global warming seems as important as an immediate national security issue. We want to shut down coal, pollution, and eliminate that from our borders, but yet we do not want to keep human trash from reaching our shores and forcing countries to clean their own homes.

 

[Medic007]

We both know that Iran and the GCC are night and day in terms of dependence on US support.

Are they really? Why is that? We used to be in bed with Iran. What changed? Why is it they are aggressively pursuing a nuclear deterrent? Israel? Who did Iran start buying weapons from when we cut them off?

 

[07pilt]

suggesting for me to engage in some form of terrorism?

My mistake, I interpreted your implications of "Make no mistake we are at war and the reason really does not matter, they are murderers and they need to be stopped." in the wrong way.

To compare lives lost on D day to the "hundreds" that died at the hands of terrorists on D day make no sense to me.

I am comparing their stoicism in the face of immediate danger, to the chicken little freakouts we have whenever a lunatic kills 7 people.

You seem to not value human life as long as it does not impact your family and your definition of order in this world can be accepted by losing only "hundreds" of lives.

On the contrary, I do see the loss of those lives as tragic and the death toll is even higher in Iraq, Syria, Yemen. Which is why I oppose measures that are counter productive and are an emotional response that the terrorists are hoping to elicit.

Better go back and read my posts over the last 2 days real careful.....

I did and you are much more level headed than I gave you credit for. Mea culpa.

only one talking crusades and murderous rampage is you.

Again the "they are murderers and they need to be stopped" can be quite confusing when you don't identify who "they" is.

I am ok keeping up the "ideological" war, but it is not nearly enough, I fail to see how my solution and your solution are mutually exclusive, and I am making a big assumption here but anymore in this country it comes down to political party affiliation and only one solution that exists and not attacking the problem with everything we have. Odd to me global warming seems as important as an immediate national security issue. We want to shut down coal, pollution, and eliminate that from our borders, but yet we do not want to keep human trash from reaching our shores and forcing countries to clean their own homes.

Hard to win that ideological war when you are calling people human trash.

 

[07pilt]

Are they really? Why is that?

Yes
Terrain:
Iran- rugged, mountainous rim; high, central basin with deserts, mountains; small, discontinuous plains along both coasts (very defensible)
KSA- mostly uninhabited, sandy desert (basically a highway for tanks)

Natural Resources:
Iran- petroleum, natural gas, coal, chromium, copper, iron ore, lead, manganese, zinc, sulfur (Oil, gas, other strategic resources)
KSA- petroleum, natural gas, iron ore, gold, copper (Oil, gas, jewelry)

Arable Land:
Iran- 10.05%
KSA- 1.45%

Population:
Iran- 80,840,713
KSA- 27,345,986
note: immigrants make up more than 30% of the total population, according to UN data

GDP:
Iran- $987.1 billion
KSA- $927.8 billion

Exports
Iran- $61.22 billion
KSA- $376.3 billion

Imports
Iran- $64.42 billion (2013 est.)
KSA- $147 billion (2013 est.)

Stock of direct foreign investment - at home
Iran- $41.45 billion
KSA-$240.6 billion

Oil - exports
Iran 2.445 million bbl/day
KSA 6.88 million bbl/day (2011 est.)

Military service age and obligation
Iran- 18 years of age for compulsory military service; 16 years of age for volunteers; 17 years of age for Law Enforcement Forces; 15 years of age for Basij Forces (Popular Mobilization Army); conscript military service obligation is 18 months; women exempt from military service (2012)
KSA- 17 is the legal minimum age for voluntary military service; no conscription (2012)

Manpower available for military service
Iran- males age 16-49: 23,619,215
females age 16-49: 22,628,341 (2010 est.)
KSA males age 16-49: 8,644,522
females age 16-49: 6,601,985 (2010 est.)

 

[Medic007]

I am comparing their stoicism in the face of immediate danger, to the chicken little freakouts we have whenever a lunatic kills 7 people.

So maybe we should be stoic and deliver an enormous invasion force to defeat the terrorists like we did on D-Day to defeat Hitler.

Sometimes your comparisons are spot on. Other times they seem like you've eaten pounds of peyote.

 

[Medic007]

Yes
Terrain:
Iran- rugged, mountainous rim; high, central basin with deserts, mountains; small, discontinuous plains along both coasts (very defensible)
KSA- mostly uninhabited, sandy desert (basically a highway for tanks)

Natural Resources:
Iran- petroleum, natural gas, coal, chromium, copper, iron ore, lead, manganese, zinc, sulfur (Oil, gas, other strategic resources)
KSA- petroleum, natural gas, iron ore, gold, copper (Oil, gas, jewelry)

Arable Land:
Iran- 10.05%
KSA- 1.45%

Population:
Iran- 80,840,713
KSA- 27,345,986
note: immigrants make up more than 30% of the total population, according to UN data

GDP:
Iran- $987.1 billion
KSA- $927.8 billion

Exports
Iran- $61.22 billion
KSA- $376.3 billion

Imports
Iran- $64.42 billion (2013 est.)
KSA- $147 billion (2013 est.)

Stock of direct foreign investment - at home
Iran- $41.45 billion
KSA-$240.6 billion

Oil - exports
Iran 2.445 million bbl/day
KSA 6.88 million bbl/day (2011 est.)

Military service age and obligation
Iran- 18 years of age for compulsory military service; 16 years of age for volunteers; 17 years of age for Law Enforcement Forces; 15 years of age for Basij Forces (Popular Mobilization Army); conscript military service obligation is 18 months; women exempt from military service (2012)
KSA- 17 is the legal minimum age for voluntary military service; no conscription (2012)

Manpower available for military service
Iran- males age 16-49: 23,619,215
females age 16-49: 22,628,341 (2010 est.)
KSA males age 16-49: 8,644,522
females age 16-49: 6,601,985 (2010 est.)

Do we donate weapons or do they buy them? Who does Iran get their weapons from? Donated or purchased? If we cut off KSA from buying our weapons, do they just buy none or can they buy from someone else? How does them buying from someone else affect the US?

 

[07pilt]

So maybe we should be stoic and deliver an enormous invasion force to defeat the terrorists like we did on D-Day to defeat Hitler.

Sometimes your comparisons are spot on. Other times they seem like you've eaten pounds of peyote.

I am truly in awe of the bravery of the men and women who fight against ISIS everyday.

 

[07pilt]

Do we donate weapons or do they buy them? Who does Iran get their weapons from? Donated or purchased? If we cut off KSA from buying our weapons, do they just buy none or can they buy from someone else? How does them buying from someone else affect the US?

They buy them with money they get for their oil. Iran has an industrial complex capable of producing weapons, but they also get some advanced weaponry from Russia (don't know the terms of the exchange). I think they would have a hard time buying as many and as advanced weapons from some one else, especially if we committed to stopping it. The weapons are one thing, but they don't have much in the way of actual soldiers or generals and rely heavily on security guarantees and cooperation from the US. If we gave Iran the go ahead to invade it would be over for SA. All of this is to say nothing of their economy. The point is we have immense leverage over Saudi Arabia, and we should use it.

 

[Medic007]

They buy them with money they get for their oil. Iran has an industrial complex capable of producing weapons, but they also get some advanced weaponry from Russia (don't know the terms of the exchange). I think they would have a hard time buying as many and as advanced weapons from some one else, especially if we committed to stopping it. The weapons are one thing, but they don't have much in the way of actual soldiers or generals and rely heavily on security guarantees and cooperation from the US. If we gave Iran the go ahead to invade it would be over for SA. All of this is to say nothing of their economy. The point is we have immense leverage over Saudi Arabia, and we should use it.

Of course we have leverage over them, but that doesn't mean that using it will achieve results. Iran is where they are today in spite of the US and our allies, and there's a reason for that.

 

[07pilt]

Of course we have leverage over them, but that doesn't mean that using it will achieve results. Iran is where they are today in spite of the US and our allies, and there's a reason for that.

Iran is much more independent country than Saudi Arabia, and was founded on resisting US interference. (The Iran situation might be a bit different had we not destroyed Iraq 14 years ago)

Should I put you down as in favor of alliances and support for countries that fund and export Wahhabism?

 

[Medic007]

Iran is much more independent country than Saudi Arabia, and was founded on resisting US interference. (The Iran situation might be a bit different had we not destroyed Iraq 14 years ago)

Should I put you down as in favor of alliances and support for countries that fund and export Wahhabism?

Iran was our puppet until 1979. Their spot on our enemy list and our backing of Iraq in their war created modern military Iran.

As to your question, no, put me down as a realist who gave an example of how US sanctions etc don't always produce results we'd like.

 

[07pilt]

As to your question, no, put me down as a realist who gave an example of how US sanctions etc don't always produce results we'd like.

What results were we hoping for with the sanctions?

 

[Medic007]

What results were we hoping for with the sanctions?

Well it wasn't to get them to change their state mandated religious ideology or for them to stop exporting cash, fighters, and arms for their brand of terror.

Are we needing to get KSA to the table for a temporary halt to their nuclear program?

 

[imprimis]

Seems fitting for this thread:

Manure

An interesting fact about Manure: In the 16th and 17th centuries, everything for export had to be transported by ship.
It was also before the invention of commercial fertilizers, so large shipments of manure were quite common.

It was shipped dry, because in dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but once water (at sea) hit it, not only did it become heavier, but the process of fermentation began again, of which a by-product is methane gas.

As the stuff was stored below decks in bundles - you can imagine what could (and did) happen.

Methane began to build up below decks and the first time someone came below at night with a lantern, BOOOOM!

Several ships were destroyed in this manner before it was determined just what was happening.

After that, the bundles of manure were always stamped with the instruction Stow high in transit them, which meant for the sailors to stow it high enough off the lower decks so that any water that came into the hold would not touch this "volatile" cargo and start the production of methane.

Thus evolved the term ' S.H.I.T ' , (Stow High In Transit) which has come down through the centuries and is in use to this very day.

You probably did not know the true history of this word.

^^^Many people thought it was a golf term.^^^