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[AC_Exotic]

What was the name of Hitler's political party?

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

Educate yourself girls.

 

[CSCOTTOSUPOKES]

What was the name of Hitler's political party?

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

Educate yourself girls.

So I guess North Korea is 1) Democratic, 2) “People’s 3) Republic?

 

[07pilt]

What was the name of Hitler's political party?

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

Educate yourself girls.

AC2017 (to wife): Hey, he called himself a Nigerian prince, who am I to question what he calls himself.

 

[AC_Exotic]

So I guess North Korea is 1) Democratic, 2) “People’s 3) Republic?

I don't care about North Korea.

It's just hilarious that it kills you guys to realize that Hitler was a liberal that considered himself indebted to Marxism.

Per the above story: "It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical."

"His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. 'I have learned a great deal from Marxism' he once remarked, 'as I do not hesitate to admit'."

"German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas 'I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun', adding revealingly that 'the whole of National Socialism' was based on Marx."

Educate yourself girls and stop gobbling the misguided morsels your liberal prof threw out in search of a conservative bogie-man.

Hitler was a socialist who felt indebted to Marxism.

 

[CSCOTTOSUPOKES]

I don't care about North Korea.

It's just hilarious that it kills you guys to realize that Hitler was a liberal that considered himself indebted to Marxism.

Per the above story: "It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical."

"His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. 'I have learned a great deal from Marxism' he once remarked, 'as I do not hesitate to admit'."

"German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas 'I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun', adding revealingly that 'the whole of National Socialism' was based on Marx."

Educate yourself girls and stop gobbling the misguided morsels your liberal prof threw out in search of a conservative bogie-man.

Hitler was a socialist who felt indebted to Marxism.

Yeah, except that fact he took his economic and political cues from fascist Mussolini haha.

Keep digging that hole you haven’t worn yourself out yet AC lol

 

[AC_Exotic]

"It is the issue of race, above all, that for half a century has prevented National Socialism from being seen as socialist. The proletariat may have no fatherland, as Lenin said. But there were still, in Marx's view, races that would have to be exterminated. That is a view he published in January-February 1849 in an article by Engels called "The Hungarian Struggle" in Marx's journal the Neue Rheinische Zeitung, and the point was recalled by socialists down to the rise of Hitler. It is now becoming possible to believe that Auschwitz was socialist-inspired. The Marxist theory of history required and demanded genocide for reasons implicit in its claim that feudalism was already giving place to capitalism, which must in its turn be superseded by socialism. Entire races would be left behind after a workers' revolution, feudal remnants in a socialist age; and since they could not advance two steps at a time, they would have to be killed. They were racial trash, as Engels called them, and fit only for the dung-heap of history."

 

[CSCOTTOSUPOKES]

"It is the issue of race, above all, that for half a century has prevented National Socialism from being seen as socialist. The proletariat may have no fatherland, as Lenin said. But there were still, in Marx's view, races that would have to be exterminated. That is a view he published in January-February 1849 in an article by Engels called "The Hungarian Struggle" in Marx's journal the Neue Rheinische Zeitung, and the point was recalled by socialists down to the rise of Hitler. It is now becoming possible to believe that Auschwitz was socialist-inspired. The Marxist theory of history required and demanded genocide for reasons implicit in its claim that feudalism was already giving place to capitalism, which must in its turn be superseded by socialism. Entire races would be left behind after a workers' revolution, feudal remnants in a socialist age; and since they could not advance two steps at a time, they would have to be killed. They were racial trash, as Engels called them, and fit only for the dung-heap of history."

So you use quotes by Marx and “possibility” to prove your point lol

Strong stuff here

 

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"His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. 'I have learned a great deal from Marxism' he once remarked, 'as I do not hesitate to admit'."

Full quote:

I have learned a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit. I don’t mean their tiresome social doctrine or the materialist conception of history, or their absurd ‘marginal utility’ theories and so on. But I have learnt from their methods. The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen-pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socialism is based on it. Look at the workers’ sports clubs, the industrial cells, the mass demonstrations, the propaganda leaflets written specially for the comprehension of masses; all these new methods of political struggle are essentially Marxist in origin. All that I had to do was take over these methods and adapt them to our purpose. I had only to develop logically what Social Democracy repeatedly failed in because of its attempt to realize its evolution within the framework of democracy. National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order.”

Hitler was a socialist who felt indebted to Marxism.

Because Marxism was a populist movement, and Hitler used populism to consolidate power.

Hitler was in total control of Germany for 11 years, there should be more evidence of his socialism than a few selectively edited out of context quotes. You shall know a man by the fruit he bears.

1. Favored racial struggle instead of class struggle.
2. Arrested and killed communists, socialists, trade unionists
3. Instead of internationalism, Hitler started a war that would kill over 30 million people against the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics
4. Favored totalitarianism instead of democracy
5. Privatized industries instead of nationalizing them.

 

[AC_Exotic]

The claim that Hitler cannot really have been a socialist because he advocated and practised genocide suggests a monumental failure, then, in the historical memory. Only socialists in that age advocated or practised genocide, at least in Europe, and from the first years of his political career Hitler was proudly aware of the fact. Addressing his own party, the NSDAP, in Munich in August 1920, he pledged his faith in socialist-racialism: "If we are socialists, then we must definitely be anti-semites - and the opposite, in that case, is Materialism and Mammonism, which we seek to oppose." There was loud applause. Hitler went on: "How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-semite?" The point was widely understood, and it is notable that no German socialist in the 1930s or earlier ever sought to deny Hitler's right to call himself a socialist on grounds of racial policy. In an age when the socialist tradition of genocide was familiar, that would have sounded merely absurd. The tradition, what is more, was unique. In the European century that began in the 1840s from Engels's article of 1849 down to the death of Hitler, everyone who advocated genocide called himself a socialist, and no exception has been found.

 

[AC_Exotic]

So the socialist intelligentsia of the western world entered the First World War publicly committed to racial purity and white domination and no less committed to violence. Socialism offered them a blank cheque, and its licence to kill included genocide. In 1933, in a preface to On the Rocks, for example, Bernard Shaw publicly welcomed the exterminatory principle which the Soviet Union had already adopted. Socialists could now take pride in a state that had at last found the courage to act, though some still felt that such action should be kept a secret. In 1932 Beatrice Webb remarked at a tea-party what "very bad stage management" it had been to allow a party of British visitors to the Ukraine to see cattle-trucks full of starving "enemies of the state" at a local station. "Ridiculous to let you see them", said Webb, already an eminent admirer of the Soviet system. "The English are always so sentimental" adding, with assurance: "You cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs." A few years later, in 1935, a Social Democratic government in Sweden began a eugenic programme for the compulsory sterilisation of gypsies, the backward and the unfit, and continued it until after the war.

 

[CBradSmith]

None of this is surprising.

 

[07pilt]

Anyone who reads "The Hungarian Struggle" as prescriptive let alone genocidal, is incredibly mistaken.

 

[07pilt]

So the socialist intelligentsia of the western world entered the First World War publicly committed to racial purity and white domination and no less committed to violence. Socialism offered them a blank cheque, and its licence to kill included genocide. In 1933, in a preface to On the Rocks, for example, Bernard Shaw publicly welcomed the exterminatory principle which the Soviet Union had already adopted. Socialists could now take pride in a state that had at last found the courage to act, though some still felt that such action should be kept a secret. In 1932 Beatrice Webb remarked at a tea-party what "very bad stage management" it had been to allow a party of British visitors to the Ukraine to see cattle-trucks full of starving "enemies of the state" at a local station. "Ridiculous to let you see them", said Webb, already an eminent admirer of the Soviet system. "The English are always so sentimental" adding, with assurance: "You cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs." A few years later, in 1935, a Social Democratic government in Sweden began a eugenic programme for the compulsory sterilisation of gypsies, the backward and the unfit, and continued it until after the war.

Which side was socialist in WW1?

 

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The claim that Hitler cannot really have been a socialist because he advocated and practised genocide suggests a monumental failure, then, in the historical memory. Only socialists in that age advocated or practised genocide, at least in Europe, and from the first years of his political career Hitler was proudly aware of the fact. Addressing his own party, the NSDAP, in Munich in August 1920, he pledged his faith in socialist-racialism: "If we are socialists, then we must definitely be anti-semites - and the opposite, in that case, is Materialism and Mammonism, which we seek to oppose." There was loud applause. Hitler went on: "How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-semite?" The point was widely understood, and it is notable that no German socialist in the 1930s or earlier ever sought to deny Hitler's right to call himself a socialist on grounds of racial policy. In an age when the socialist tradition of genocide was familiar, that would have sounded merely absurd. The tradition, what is more, was unique. In the European century that began in the 1840s from Engels's article of 1849 down to the death of Hitler, everyone who advocated genocide called himself a socialist, and no exception has been found.

Materialism is the core of Marxist socialism. This isn't just revisionism, it is obviously poor revisionism.

 

[AC_Exotic]

Materialism is the core of Marxist socialism. This isn't just revisionism, it is obviously poor revisionism.

Don't blame the column, blame Hitler and his close associates.

If Wagener reports his master faithfully they leave no doubt about the conclusion: that Hitler was an unorthodox Marxist who knew his sources and knew just how unorthodox the way in which he handled them was. He was a dissident socialist. His programme was at once nostalgic and radical. It proposed to accomplish something that Christians had failed to act on and that communists before him had attempted and bungled. "What Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism failed to accomplish," he told Wagener, "we shall be in a position to achieve."

 

[07pilt]

Don't blame the column, blame Hitler and his close associates.

If Wagener reports his master faithfully they leave no doubt about the conclusion: that Hitler was an unorthodox Marxist who knew his sources and knew just how unorthodox the way in which he handled them was. He was a dissident socialist. His programme was at once nostalgic and radical. It proposed to accomplish something that Christians had failed to act on and that communists before him had attempted and bungled. "What Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism failed to accomplish," he told Wagener, "we shall be in a position to achieve."

The fruits AC, the fruits.

Hitler was in total control of Germany for 11 years, there should be more evidence of his socialism than a few selectively edited out of context quotes. You shall know a man by the fruit he bears.

1. Favored racial struggle instead of class struggle.
2. Arrested and killed communists, socialists, trade unionists
3. Instead of internationalism, Hitler started a war that would kill over 30 million people against the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics
4. Favored totalitarianism instead of democracy
5. Privatized industries instead of nationalizing them.

 

[SMemmett]

First, any fledgling government during or in the wake of, the Great Depression would have socialist policies. How else would you consolidate power?

Second, why does Hitler spend so much time railing against Marxism in Mein Kampf?

"Quite aside from this, however, it shows the small capacity for thought of our so-called 'intelligentsia' when, particularly in these circles, it is not understood that a state of affairs which could not prevent the growth of a plague, such as Marxism happens to be, will certainly not be able to recover what has been lost."

"But there is one thing they have not known how to do, and that is how to save the German people from falling into the arms of Marxism. In that they have shown themselves most pitiably and miserably impotent."

"The only organizations which at that time had the strength and courage to face Marxism and its enraged masses were first of all the volunteer corps, and subsequently the organizations for self-defence, the civic guards and finally the associations formed by the demobilized soldiers of the old Army."

And above all, nothing says Marxism, like Hitler's dream of a classless, international society.

 

[AC_Exotic]

Now that socialism is a discarded idea, such excitement is no doubt hard to recapture. To relive it again, in imagination, one might look at an entry in Goebbels's diaries. On 16 June 1941, five days before Hitler attacked the Soviet Union, Goebbels exulted, in the privacy of his diary, in the victory over Bolshevism that he believed would quickly follow. There would be no restoration of the tsars, he remarked to himself, after Russia had been conquered. But Jewish Bolshevism would be uprooted in Russia and "real socialism" planted in its place - "Der echte Sozialismus". Goebbels was a liar, to be sure, but no one can explain why he would lie to his diaries. And to the end of his days he believed that socialism was what National Socialism was about.

 

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Now that socialism is a discarded idea, such excitement is no doubt hard to recapture. To relive it again, in imagination, one might look at an entry in Goebbels's diaries. On 16 June 1941, five days before Hitler attacked the Soviet Union, Goebbels exulted, in the privacy of his diary, in the victory over Bolshevism that he believed would quickly follow. There would be no restoration of the tsars, he remarked to himself, after Russia had been conquered. But Jewish Bolshevism would be uprooted in Russia and "real socialism" planted in its place - "Der echte Sozialismus". Goebbels was a liar, to be sure, but no one can explain why he would lie to his diaries. And to the end of his days he believed that socialism was what National Socialism was about.

Fruits or GTFO.

 

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Hitler on job creators:

What right do these people have to demand a share of property or even in administration?... The employer who accepts the responsibility for production also gives the workpeople their means of livelihood. Our greatest industrialists are not concerned with the acquisition of wealth or with good living, but, above all else, with responsibility and power. They have worked their way to the top by their own abilities, and this proof of their capacity – a capacity only displayed by a higher race – gives them the right to lead.

 

[Pokeabear]

Hitler on job creators:

What right do these people have to demand a share of property or even in administration?... The employer who accepts the responsibility for production also gives the workpeople their means of livelihood. Our greatest industrialists are not concerned with the acquisition of wealth or with good living, but, above all else, with responsibility and power. They have worked their way to the top by their own abilities, and this proof of their capacity – a capacity only displayed by a higher race – gives them the right to lead.

Weird huh?

 

[CBradSmith]

Fruits or GTFO.

Subjective challenge.

 

[07pilt]

Subjective challenge.

If Bernie Sanders was dictator of the US for 11 years, do you think 70 years later people would be using quotes from the 2016 primary campaign as the chief evidence of his socialism?