Biff been pretty open and honest with the public over his feelings with Putin and Russia, to the point his honesty is concerning some people.
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Biff been pretty open and honest with the public over his feelings with Putin and Russia, to the point his honesty is concerning some people.
I personally think the terrorist threat is greater than Russia. But I could be wrong, I have never had a national security briefing.
I think you guys are making the wrong comparisons in this thread. The interesting thing here is that he's already RESIGNED. That's a change of late. The previous administrations would have dragged this on for years.
i agree
russia is not a threat in the same sense as some isis wacko blowing himself or his rv up at the indy 500 is
It would be better to have nuclear-armed Russia as an ally to help us fight Isis / Arabian Jihadists IMO.
That could take some heavy lifting pressure off us (also would allow us to focus on guarding our own border, while helping reducing us getting bogged down in pointless overseas conflicts).
Few of our European allies spend enough on their military (2% of their GDP) to be able to offer much more than symbolic help, so it's basically American taxpayer blood and treasure spent overseas while our own inner cities rot and burn. (This is why Trump won)
Why not have Russia help us? Sure they are corrupt, but we have a lot more in common with Russia than any Islamic country....and their military is powerful.
McCain represents the military industrial complex and globalists who want the status quo.
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Russia and Putin have become the bogeyman of the Democrats. They always have to have a bogeyman in order to fear monger the masses. Since right wing religious wackos are no longer a real threat to every minority and Islamic terrorism has been banned from discussion, Russia is a fairly natural choice because Putin made Obama and company look like feeble incompetent morons. It's ironic that Obama laughed at Romney saying that Russia was the biggest geopolitical threat to the US.
And since Trump is a bogeyman as well, why not tie them together as a super bogeyman in hopes people will move their votes back to the Defenders of Bathroom Choice in 2018. They really don't have any coherent offerings to the majority that isn't interested in identity politics, so scare them into voting Dem!
And since Trump is a bogeyman as well, why not tie them together as a super bogeyman in hopes people will move their votes back to the Defenders of Bathroom Choice in 2018. They really don't have any coherent offerings to the majority that isn't interested in identity politics, so scare them into voting Dem!
Not to mention, Russia resents foreign involvement more than any other country ---- making them staunch resistors of globalism.
Russia has been invaded from the west three times in the last 200 years (Russians have long and vivid memories, in contrast to our Kim Kardashian ADD culture).
In addition, the Bolshevik Revolution was in large part carried out by foreigners who despised the Russian people.
If anyone is a natural ally in helping us resist globalism, it's Russia, based on their history alone.
Plus Russian hackers have lots of dirt of the Clintons and Obamas.
Russia has been invaded from the west three times in the last 200 years (Russians have long and vivid memories, in contrast to our Kim Kardashian ADD culture).
In addition, the Bolshevik Revolution was in large part carried out by foreigners who despised the Russian people.
If anyone is a natural ally in helping us resist globalism, it's Russia, based on their history alone.
Plus Russian hackers have lots of dirt of the Clintons and Obamas.
Interesting mischaracterization from you.
I said nothing about justification. I made no value statement.
Period.
Agreed as well.
IMO, that's effectiveness out of the Executive branch. Clear out what is going to be driftwood or cause a distraction. Move on.
My bad for reading too much into it. The "right or wrong" apparently led me in a wrong direction. Definitely not a position I've seen you take before, and that's why I called it intetesting.
Man, if we just had some kind of smoking gun, like a recording of Trump speaking to the Russians saying after the election he would have more flexibility.
He was a hell (no pun intended) of a lot more accurate in his election predictions than any corporate media figure / pollster.
I pretty much nailed it. But I was listening to the data (good data) in the run up and built a voting model based on specific voter concerns (know your customer).
Yes, I'm patting myself on the back.
Easy. As the the potential National Security Advisor, Flynn was either doing this with Trump's full knowledge or under the direction of Trump. Anyone who thinks Flynn was some lone wolf in all of this is just naive.
https://oklahomastate.forums.rivals...es-i-have-a-question.45240/page-2#post-775346
This is exactly what happened. Doesn't make me smarter than anyone else.
This is exactly what happened. Doesn't make me smarter than anyone else.
And this is what Trump will try to sell. There is a lot going on here but one aspect of this is the Trump's administration hope that with Flynn's resignation, they can put the Russia scandal behind them. Flynn has been thrown under the bus in order to save others down the road.
Whether such a strategy works or not will depend though on factors outside of the Trump administration's control.
Difference is--if the previous president had become aware that his National Security adviser-designate had traveled to Moscow during the transition, dined with Putin, later discussing the possible lifting of George W. Bush-imposed sanctions against Russia with the Russian ambassador--and didn't fire him immediately--he would have been impeached and charges of treason filed against him for dereliction of duty. I doubt that happens to Trump.
Given that the democrats controlled the House by about 70 seats after the 2008 election cycle, you would be wrong.
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so what are they going to do about it?
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If the above scenario had played out amid playing footsie with Putin and hints of Russian electioneering to sabotage McCain, the outrage on the right and middle would have been so great impeachment would not have been necessary he would have been forced to resign. Sooner rather than later. So I will concede the point he would not have been impeached.
Chances Obama ever left office other than in a coffin were about zero. The guy had zero self-awareness as to what it means to be accountable for your actions.
There are a couple of larger threads that probably fizzled shortly after the election. Somewhere in there is your best bet to look.
