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Federal Judge: Kind of Appears to be a Witch Hunt to me

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ounsels-powers-in-manafort-case-idUSKBN1I51WE

“I don’t see what relationship this indictment has with anything the special counsel is authorized to investigate,” U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis in the Eastern District of Virginia said.

At tense hearing at the federal courthouse in Alexandria, Virginia, the judge said Mueller should not have “unfettered power” in his Russia probe and that the charges against Manafort did not arise from the investigation into Moscow’s alleged meddling in the 2016 U.S. election.

The judge questioned why Manafort’s case there could not be handled by the U.S. attorney’s office in Virginia, rather than the special counsel’s office.

He also asked the special counsel’s office to share privately with him a copy of Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosentein’s August 2017 memo elaborating on the scope of Mueller’s Russia probe. He said the current version he has been heavily redacted.
 
Something most of us have known for six months. This Russian collusion case has veered off on so many different paths it is obvious that it is nothing more than a hopeful impeachment process.
3.9% unemployment, manufacturing growth, North Korea, tax cuts, dealing with Iran the way they should have been dealt with, 51% approval rating .... keep going after the man.
 
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Something most of us have known for six months. This Russian collusion case has veered off on so many different paths it is obvious that it is nothing more than a hopeful impeachment process.
3.9% unemployment, manufacturing growth, North Korea, tax cuts, dealing with I ran the way they should have been dealt with, 51% approval rating .... keep going after the man.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ounsels-powers-in-manafort-case-idUSKBN1I51WE

“I don’t see what relationship this indictment has with anything the special counsel is authorized to investigate,” U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis in the Eastern District of Virginia said.

At tense hearing at the federal courthouse in Alexandria, Virginia, the judge said Mueller should not have “unfettered power” in his Russia probe and that the charges against Manafort did not arise from the investigation into Moscow’s alleged meddling in the 2016 U.S. election.

The judge questioned why Manafort’s case there could not be handled by the U.S. attorney’s office in Virginia, rather than the special counsel’s office.

He also asked the special counsel’s office to share privately with him a copy of Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosentein’s August 2017 memo elaborating on the scope of Mueller’s Russia probe. He said the current version he has been heavily redacted.
This is the same memo that the Congress has been requesting from Rosenstein which he has, so far, refused to give them.
 
I too HIGHLY doubt this results in a dismissal.

Worst case scenario is it gets transferred to US Attorney of the District and there is no way he dismisses.


worst case

mueller is so far outside the scope of his investigation, grasping and reaching at anything and anyone he can leverage into ratting out trump not for truths sake but to mitigate their own circumstance

that’s the worst case

this is the democratically elected president
best to have him nailed to the cross with irrefutable treasonous activity

not some street level drug kingpin type bullshit case

which is what this looks withthe fbi and doj covering their ass to date
 
I too HIGHLY doubt this results in a dismissal.

Worst case scenario is it gets transferred to US Attorney of the District and there is no way he dismisses.

Would a new U.S.A. offer Paulie cooperation deals with Mueller, or is that phase of Paulie's life pretty much over if Mueller is kicked off?
 
I bet Pilt has more connections with Russia than Trump.
Much to my embarrassment only have one, unless you count Belarussians as regular Russians.

How many does Trump have?
 
Read for yourself the actual appointment letter establishing the appointment and jurisdiction of Mueller, coupled with the relevant statute/regulation that provides more detail about how Mueller/Rosenstein can proceed with ANY case discovered/uncovered during the investigation. The Judge is "way" wrong with his opinion. The judge doesn't get to determine who tries the case, the law is quite clear that call belongs 100% with Rod Rosenstein.

There is virtually zero doubt in my mind that Mueller secured the consent of Rosenstein as he is/was required to do so by the provisions of the appointment letter and the Statute/Regulations. Just as he did so with the Cohen case, which Rosenstein subsequently assigned to the US Attorney's Office in the Southern District of NY.

If they Judge were to dismiss on these grounds, I have no doubt believing he would get slammed hard by the Appellate court and likely removed from the case.


ORDER NO. 3915-2017 APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C. §§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as follows:

(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed to serve as Special Counsel for the United States Department of Justice. (b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James 8. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;

and (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation;

and (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)-(c)

If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters. (d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are applicable to the Special Counsel.

Signed Rod J. Rosenstein, Acting Attorney General - 5/17/17


This is what 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)-(c)says on the topic

28 CFR 600.4 - Jurisdiction.

§ 600.4 Jurisdiction.

(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.

(c)Civil and administrative jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel determines that administrative remedies, civil sanctions or other governmental action outside the criminal justice system might be appropriate, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General with respect to the appropriate component to take any necessary action. A Special Counsel shall not have civil or administrative authority unless specifically granted such jurisdiction by the Attorney General.


To believe that the Judge's position is correct, you would have to ignore the very clear law on this topic and also to believe that his authority to prosecute crimes (with the consent of the DOJ) is less than the average US Attorney. To quote that well known trial attorney, Vincent Gambini, Esq: "Everything that guy just said was bullshit!"
 
Read for yourself the actual appointment letter establishing the appointment and jurisdiction of Mueller, coupled with the relevant statute/regulation that provides more detail about how Mueller/Rosenstein can proceed with ANY case discovered/uncovered during the investigation. The Judge is "way" wrong with his opinion. The judge doesn't get to determine who tries the case, the law is quite clear that call belongs 100% with Rod Rosenstein.

There is virtually zero doubt in my mind that Mueller secured the consent of Rosenstein as he is/was required to do so by the provisions of the appointment letter and the Statute/Regulations. Just as he did so with the Cohen case, which Rosenstein subsequently assigned to the US Attorney's Office in the Southern District of NY.

If they Judge were to dismiss on these grounds, I have no doubt believing he would get slammed hard by the Appellate court and likely removed from the case.


ORDER NO. 3915-2017 APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C. §§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as follows:

(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed to serve as Special Counsel for the United States Department of Justice. (b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James 8. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;

and (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation;

and (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)-(c)

If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters. (d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are applicable to the Special Counsel.

Signed Rod J. Rosenstein, Acting Attorney General - 5/17/17


This is what 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)-(c)says on the topic

28 CFR 600.4 - Jurisdiction.

§ 600.4 Jurisdiction.

(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.

(c)Civil and administrative jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel determines that administrative remedies, civil sanctions or other governmental action outside the criminal justice system might be appropriate, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General with respect to the appropriate component to take any necessary action. A Special Counsel shall not have civil or administrative authority unless specifically granted such jurisdiction by the Attorney General.


To believe that the Judge's position is correct, you would have to ignore the very clear law on this topic and also to believe that his authority to prosecute crimes (with the consent of the DOJ) is less than the average US Attorney. To quote that well known trial attorney, Vincent Gambini, Esq: "Everything that guy just said was bullshit!"

that settles it
 
You like to attempt to control the narrative, I'll give you that.

Anybody still hung up on elected 'democratically' versus 'electorally' deserves ridicule, Nancy.
Anybody still saying elected 'democratically' versus 'electorally' deserves ridicule, Nancy.
 
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For those who think the Judge is right and he can dictate to the DOJ who does and does not get to prosecute this case (as evidenced by the fact he's spent 30 yrs on the bench and thus is obviously infallible) would you care to make a "gentlemen's wager" on the ultimate outcome here?
 
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For those who think the Judge is right and he can dictate to the DOJ who does and does not get to prosecute this case (as evidenced by the fact he's spent 30 yrs on the bench and thus is obviously infallible) would you care to make a "gentlemen's wager" on the ultimate outcome here?
For someone who is so damn smart you sure have a real ****ing hard time understanding plainly written English language statements.
 
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I'm not too thrilled that somebody can be investigated for one thing and something could turn up from 30 years ago totally unrelated. Trump is in the building business and I'm sure there were some deals made to get things done in New York City, Chicago and so forth.

This whole thing is totally off the rails. They just need to admit there is no Russian collusion and go on.
 
you must look up passing yards gained or in gundy’s case best hair to see who won the game

popular vote again is libtard level intelligence and talking point

it just fits
Agree on the popular vote being a completely irrelevant talking point as to who won the election. However, he is correct that the President isn't elected "democratically", in the strictest reading of the meaning of that word. And that is a good thing.
 
Thanks, Gramps.
I don't think any of us knew that.
Honestly, I think it's strange to say "democratically". We do not live in a pure democracy. The only reason people have traditionally used the phrase "democratically elected President" is because it was lazily spread by the media. Until such time as it became expedient for them to disavow it.
 
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