Explaining American Foreign Policy

[Ponca Dan]

Sums it up to perfection.

American foreign policy - LewRockwell

Writes JJP: If we don’t send money and arms to Ukraine, Russia will take over the world. If we don’t send money to Israel, Muslim terrorists will take over Israel and the world. If we don’t get Russia out of the Middle East, they will become an existential threat to Israel and take over the...

www.lewrockwell.com

 

[OUSOONER67]

Sums it up to perfection.

American foreign policy - LewRockwell

Writes JJP: If we don’t send money and arms to Ukraine, Russia will take over the world. If we don’t send money to Israel, Muslim terrorists will take over Israel and the world. If we don’t get Russia out of the Middle East, they will become an existential threat to Israel and take over the...

www.lewrockwell.com

May be a coincidence but I read your link, fitting that this ad was just below it. 🤣🤣

 

[OUSOONER67]

Oh and Punky Dan I hope Trump Tariffs the **** out of Chiney. Bought some LED bulbs for my pickup and jeep wrangler that were crap, didn't fit and broke during installation like everything else I buy made in Chiney. And if they are American Companies that moved their operations to Chiney to save money and use slave labor I hope the Tariffs put them out of business. Make it here, charge more if you have to for better quality and I will gladly pay it.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Oh and Punky Dan I hope Trump Tariffs the **** out of Chiney. Bought some LED bulbs for my pickup and jeep wrangler that were crap, didn't fit and broke during installation like everything else I buy made in Chiney. And if they are American Companies that moved their operations to Chiney to save money and use slave labor I hope the Tariffs put them out of business. Make it here, charge more if you have to for better quality and I will gladly pay it.

Hate is a powerful and toxic emotion that frequently drives people to do very stupid and harmful things.

 

[2012Bearcat]

Hate is a powerful and toxic emotion that frequently drives people to do very stupid and harmful things.

Look at what it's done to you.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Look at what it's done to you.

You can say (and have said) a lot of things to me and about me, but hate-filled is not one of them.

 

[2012Bearcat]

You can say (and have said) a lot of things to me and about me, but hate-filled is not one of them.

Your actions say otherwise Dan. Every post you make is hate filled when it comes to Israel.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Your actions say otherwise Dan. Every post you make is hate filled when it comes to Israel.

Lol

 

[OUSOONER67]

Hate is a powerful and toxic emotion that frequently drives people to do very stupid and harmful things.

And buying shit made products from a Communist Country that uses slave labor and real genocide, not your pretend genocide is completely normal.

 

[Ponca Dan]

And buying shit made products from a Communist Country that uses slave labor and real genocide, not your pretend genocide is completely normal.

I’m surprised to learn you’ve bought products produced in a country that practices what you think China practices. I’d think you’d refuse to buy any product like that without needing to wait until a tariff makes it too expensive for your budget.

 

[OUSOONER67]

I’m surprised to learn you’ve bought products produced in a country that practices what you think China practices. I’d think you’d refuse to buy any product like that without needing to wait until a tariff makes it too expensive for your budget.

What I think? You may want to do some research on Chiney. And sadly some sellers don't say where the product is made, you usually find that out after the purchase. They fool you with American Brand names that are not made in America but are now made in Chiney.

 

[Ponca Dan]

What I think? You may want to do some research on Chiney. And sadly some sellers don't say where the product is made, you usually find that out after the purchase. They fool you with American Brand names that are not made in America but are now made in Chiney.

I’m sorry you get fooled.

 

[OUSOONER67]

I’m sorry you get fooled.

Like you getting fooled by Terrorists?
At least I get my money back. Your time being wasted because you were fooled you will never get back. And with your advancing years you really can't spare too much of that time. That's a shame.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Like you getting fooled by Terrorists?
At least I get my money back. Your time being wasted because you were fooled you will never get back. And with your advancing years you really can't spare too much of that time. That's a shame.

It’s wise of you to buy from companies that have decent return policies. It’s weird they are so immoral as to secretly sell you a product made in China but are moral enough to give you your money back no questions asked.

 

[OUSOONER67]

It’s wise of you to buy from companies that have decent return policies. It’s weird they are so immoral as to secretly sell you a product made in China but are moral enough to give you your money back no questions asked.

Oh I got questions asked and a nasty email to boot regarding my complaint. Par for the course with shady people selling crap from shady Countries.
I say crap because they were but I shelled out over 300 bucks of my hard earned money for what I thought was quality made in the US by a name brand company.
You should write a strongly worded letter to Hamas demanding your time back and money for wasted time. See how far that gets you.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Oh I got questions asked and a nasty email to boot regarding my complaint. Par for the course with shady people selling crap from shady Countries.
I say crap because they were but I shelled out over 300 bucks of my hard earned money for what I thought was quality made in the US by a name brand company.
You should write a strongly worded letter to Hamas demanding your time back and money for wasted time. See how far that gets you.

I’m sorry you got bilked, but happy that you got it resolved. I hope you found a quality American made replacement.

 

[OUSOONER67]

I’m sorry you got bilked, but happy that you got it resolved. I hope you found a quality American made replacement.

A lot of Ameticans are but you don't care, your heart is in Palestine and none of us know where your brain is.
I have not found any made in the USA yet but I will keep looking or I won't buy any.

 

[Ponca Dan]

A lot of Ameticans are but you don't care, your heart is in Palestine and none of us know where your brain is.
I have not found any made in the USA yet but I will keep looking or I won't buy any.

That’s exactly how it should be. You should buy the products that most satisfy your needs and desires and meet all (or as many as possible) of your expectations. If you don’t want to buy products made in China or products with components made in China you absolutely should not buy them and be free to avoid them as you choose. OTOH people who do not have your same prejudices should have the same right and protection to buy products they prefer. I guess where you and I disagree is you think everybody should be held to your purchasing criteria whether they want to be or not. Have I got that right?

 

[OUSOONER67]

That’s exactly how it should be. You should buy the products that most satisfy your needs and desires and meet all (or as many as possible) of your expectations. If you don’t want to buy products made in China or products with components made in China you absolutely should not buy them and be free to avoid them as you choose. OTOH people who do not have your same prejudices should have the same right and protection to buy products they prefer. I guess where you and I disagree is you think everybody should be held to your purchasing criteria whether they want to be or not. Have I got that right?

Nope, sorry to cheat you out of your gotcha moment you thought you had.
I don't think the US should trade with any Communist Governments.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Nope, sorry to cheat you out of your gotcha moment you thought you had.
I don't think the US should trade with any Communist Governments.

By “US” do you mean the US government? Or do you mean a supposedly free US citizen should be prohibited from trading with a citizen in a communist country? What should happen to an American that buys a set of tires that were made in Venezuela? Jail time? You haven’t cheated me out of anything. You’re tightening your own noose with each authoritarian reply you make. I will give you credit for your consistency. You consistently advocate policies that resemble those from an authoritarian - dare I say communist? - society. What’s ironic is you don’t even know that’s what you’re doing.

 

[OUSOONER67]

By “US” do you mean the US government? Or do you mean a supposedly free US citizen should be prohibited from trading with a citizen in a communist country? What should happen to an American that buys a set of tires that were made in Venezuela? Jail time? You haven’t cheated me out of anything. You’re tightening your own noose with each authoritarian reply you make. I will give you credit for your consistency. You consistently advocate policies that resemble those from an authoritarian - dare I say communist? - society. What’s ironic is you don’t even know that’s what you’re doing.

Preety easy to understand HamasDan. We shouldn't allow imports from Rogue Nations or Rogue States. Did you ever research Chiney and their practices?

 

[Ponca Dan]

Preety easy to understand HamasDan. We shouldn't allow imports from Rogue Nations or Rogue States. Did you ever research Chiney and their practices?

Oh, it’s very easy to understand. I just don’t agree with you. Demanding government forcibly prevent you from trading with a citizen of a rogue state is something a rogue state would do. It’s anathema to the concept of a free society. Is it acceptable for me to demand our government forcibly prevent us from trading with people in a country because they speak Portuguese if Portuguese offends my sensibilities?

 

[OUSOONER67]

Oh, it’s very easy to understand. I just don’t agree with you. Demanding government forcibly prevent you from trading with a citizen of a rogue state is something a rogue state would do. It’s anathema to the concept of a free society. Is it acceptable for me to demand our government forcibly prevent us from trading with people in a country because they speak Portuguese if Portuguese offends my sensibilities?

You miss the point entirely, has nothing to do with which language someone speaks. If trading with rogue states doesn't make one complicit with what they do then that makes you a rogue state enabler. Kinda like you and Hamas, one hand washes the other and turn a blind eye to their atrocities. I have no use for Commies or Terrorists but apparently you love em both.
I see now why most people just ignore you, you like to play those lil my_2pesos word games.

 

[Ponca Dan]

You miss the point entirely, has nothing to do with which language someone speaks. If trading with rogue states doesn't make one complicit with what they do then that makes you a rogue state enabler. Kinda like you and Hamas, one hand washes the other and turn a blind eye to their atrocities. I have no use for Commies or Terrorists but apparently you love em both.
I see now why most people just ignore you, you like to play those lil my_2pesos word games.

The “point” is about the principle involved, not the different issues. One person despises communism and communist controlled countries and therefore, thinking he knows better than everyone else, insists the police power of the state should be used to ban anyone from trading with anyone from a communist controlled country. (Ironically his “cure” is something you’d find in a communist controlled country.) The other person despises the language of Portuguese and countries where Portuguese is spoken and therefore, thinking he knows better than everyone else, insists the police power of the state be used to ban all its citizens from trading with anyone who speaks Portuguese or hails from a country where Portuguese is spoken. Remember how Rush Limbaugh “demonstrated absurdity by being absurd?” The Portuguese argument is a Limbaugh-type example of that. In a free society each individual has the option to trade with anyone he wants for any reason, and no matter how badly another individual doesn’t want him to trade with particular segments he has no moral authority to use or threaten to use the violence of the state to prevent such a trade.

 

[2012Bearcat]

The “point” is about the principle involved, not the different issues. One person despises communism and communist controlled countries and therefore, thinking he knows better than everyone else, insists the police power of the state should be used to ban anyone from trading with anyone from a communist controlled country. (Ironically his “cure” is something you’d find in a communist controlled country.) The other person despises the language of Portuguese and countries where Portuguese is spoken and therefore, thinking he knows better than everyone else, insists the police power of the state be used to ban all its citizens from trading with anyone who speaks Portuguese or hails from a country where Portuguese is spoken. Remember how Rush Limbaugh “demonstrated absurdity by being absurd?” The Portuguese argument is a Limbaugh-type example of that. In a free society each individual has the option to trade with anyone he wants for any reason, and no matter how badly another individual doesn’t want him to trade with particular segments he has no moral authority to use or threaten to use the violence of the state to prevent such a trade.

How may times must you be told there are no absolutes in life, only in death.

China is in the process of the largest military buildup seen in history and your dumbass thinks it great we are paying for the majority of that build up. Common sense should tell you that's not good for world peace.

 

[fairdinkem]

Oh, it’s very easy to understand. I just don’t agree with you. Demanding government forcibly prevent you from trading with a citizen of a rogue state is something a rogue state would do. It’s anathema to the concept of a free society. Is it acceptable for me to demand our government forcibly prevent us from trading with people in a country because they speak Portuguese if Portuguese offends my sensibilities?

Familiarize yourself with the FCPA before you spout your screed. You have zero expertise in this field other than Google. You know nothing of what you're talking about. How about unilateral and/or bilateral graft & all that implies?

 

[Ponca Dan]

How may times must you be told there are no absolutes in life, only in death.

China is in the process of the largest military buildup seen in history and your dumbass thinks it great we are paying for the majority of that build up. Common sense should tell you that's not good for world peace.

How may times must you be told there are no absolutes in life, only in death.

China is in the process of the largest military buildup seen in history and your dumbass thinks it great we are paying for the majority of that build up. Common sense should tell you that's not good for world peace.

A principle is either absolute or it isn’t a principle.

The US currently spends more on “military buildup” than something like the next ten countries combined. Who paid for our military buildup?

 

[2012Bearcat]

A principle is either absolute or it isn’t a principle.

The US currently spends more on “military buildup” than something like the next ten countries combined. Who paid for our military buildup?

The point you keep ignoring Dan is we are paying for China's military build up, what we pay for our military has nothing to do with it.

 

[Ponca Dan]

The point you keep ignoring Dan is we are paying for China's military build up, what we pay for our military has nothing to do with it.

Please explain how imposing tariffs on Chinese imports, which are ultimately taxes on American consumers, will prevent the Chinese military buildup the NeoCons have convinced you is happening.

 

[OUSOONER67]

The “point” is about the principle involved, not the different issues. One person despises communism and communist controlled countries and therefore, thinking he knows better than everyone else, insists the police power of the state should be used to ban anyone from trading with anyone from a communist controlled country. (Ironically his “cure” is something you’d find in a communist controlled country.) The other person despises the language of Portuguese and countries where Portuguese is spoken and therefore, thinking he knows better than everyone else, insists the police power of the state be used to ban all its citizens from trading with anyone who speaks Portuguese or hails from a country where Portuguese is spoken. Remember how Rush Limbaugh “demonstrated absurdity by being absurd?” The Portuguese argument is a Limbaugh-type example of that. In a free society each individual has the option to trade with anyone he wants for any reason, and no matter how badly another individual doesn’t want him to trade with particular segments he has no moral authority to use or threaten to use the violence of the state to prevent such a trade.

If all the stuff made in Chiney today was made in Israel you would change your tune real quick.
You are always on the wrong side of everything.

 

[Ponca Dan]

If all the stuff made in Chiney today was made in Israel you would change your tune real quick.
You are always on the wrong side of everything.

You are mistaken. I think free people should have access to products from any place they desire.

 

[OUSOONER67]

You are mistaken. I think free people should have access to products from any place they desire.

Even if that Country Genocides people?

 

[Ponca Dan]

Even if that Country Genocides people?

Look, Brother, I'm not saying *I* want to buy from places like that. I'm saying I don't have the moral authority to use the power of the state to force people to buy from only my pre-approved locations. You and I can do all the attempts to persuade and embarrass and educate people why they shouldn't buy products the origin of which we disapprove, but we have no moral right to force our preferences on them than they have to force theirs on us.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Look, Brother, I'm not saying *I* want to buy from places like that. I'm saying I don't have the moral authority to use the power of the state to force people to buy from only my pre-approved locations. You and I can do all the attempts to persuade and embarrass and educate people why they shouldn't buy products the origin of which we disapprove, but we have no moral right to force our preferences on them than they have to force theirs on us.

You should run for office Dan. The only dirt on you is the fact you don't vote. Well there's that and yer sympathy for terrorists. So nevermind. Keep the hookah hot and loaded!

 

[Ponca Dan]

You should run for office Dan. The only dirt on you is the fact you don't vote. Well there's that and yer sympathy for terrorists. So nevermind. Keep the hookah hot and loaded!

Gee, Woody, if I sympathized with terrorists I’d be a hard core Zionist like you.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Gee, Woody, if I sympathized with terrorists I’d be a hard core Zionist like you.

How many you harboring Dan?

 

[OUSOONER67]

Gee, Woody, if I sympathized with terrorists I’d be a hard core Zionist like you.

How many can you take in HamasDan? If Canada can do 1,000 surely you could manage at least half a dozen in your home.

"1,000 Palestinian refugees – Surely Canada can do better than that"​

"Following the October 7 attack by the Hamas terrorist group on Israel, which killed at least 1,200 people and resulted in the capture of some 250 hostages, Israel launched an extensive military offensive on the Gaza Strip"

https://opencanada.org/1000-palestinian-refugees-surely-canada-can-do-better-than-that/

 

[Ponca Dan]

How many you harboring Dan?

Zionists, Woody? None. I don’t harbor terrorists. How many Zionist terrorists are you harboring?

 

[Ponca Dan]

How many can you take in HamasDan? If Canada can do 1,000 surely you could manage at least half a dozen in your home.

"1,000 Palestinian refugees – Surely Canada can do better than that"​

"Following the October 7 attack by the Hamas terrorist group on Israel, which killed at least 1,200 people and resulted in the capture of some 250 hostages, Israel launched an extensive military offensive on the Gaza Strip"

https://opencanada.org/1000-palestinian-refugees-surely-canada-can-do-better-than-that/

I’m more interested in letting the Palestinian people return to the homes and their homeland that has been stolen from them by Zionist terrorists.

 

[OUSOONER67]

I’m more interested in letting the Palestinian people return to the homes and their homeland that has been stolen from them by Zionist terrorists.

But you might be able to save a few from being Genocided.