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Carter Page FISA warrant
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yea talking about biting dicks with another dude on a message board
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When you present one iota of factual evidence about, well, anything lol...I’ll be seriously impressed. Until then, you’re just a fool with party Pom poms and nonsense.
The 4 judges who approved it and renewed it 3 times were from which party? And appointed to FISA by which SC Justice? Who was nominated by which President?
Your claim suffers under factual analysis.
But name calling is more fun, right?
That you actually believe this is a valid point is hilarious
You need to look in the mirror Pussyhat.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fisa-warrant-application-supports-nunes-memo
*denies none of David’s assertions, giving increased credibility to them.*
Whataboutism isn’t a good look on Brad. It appears you’ve given up on trying to #win.
Glad I could provide some humor.
Seeing the shit you guys buy in to is more depressing than hilarious.
Were the wiretaps on Page approved before or after he left the campaign?
Is that also a hilariously invalid point to raise?
I thought you were gonna come kick my ass lol. Was that just another car on the Bad Brad Bullshit Bullet train?
I'll be in STW no less than 10 times between now and the end of the year.
You're still Captain Dipshit.
How's the job?
You guys are only getting about 2% of my attention right now, all I can spare at this point. Hence the occasional pot shot is about all you can expect until Sept. or so.
Ok lol...I’ll be Captain Dipshit, and you’ll be the hopelessly obsessed, permatriggered idiot who’s hosting me rent-free in that vacuous space between your ears haha.
Getting our asses kicked.
Funny. Until you demonstrate certain qualities, you're just a rat in a cage to me.
Oops...
“The Committee's investigative findings include DOJ's and FBI's use of an unverified dossier of memoranda that was not subjected to proper U.S. government verification and was not handled according to FBI procedures," the letter says.
It adds: “The FBI’s own Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide (known as the DIOG) prohibits the FBI from using unverified material to obtain a warrant under FISA. The unverified allegations in the dossier were nevertheless presented to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) to obtain a FISA warrant and three renewals on Mr. Page. DOJ also presented a news article that was sourced from the author of the dossier.”
That is an apparent reference to a September 2016 Yahoo News article about intelligence officials probing Page as a possible Russian operative.
Based on the weekend document release, the Yahoo News article was presented to the surveillance court as an independent intelligence stream justifying the surveillance of Page.
But London court records show that contrary to the FBI's assessments that were presented to the FISC, ex-spy Christopher Steele briefed Yahoo News and other reporters in the fall of 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS -- the opposition research firm behind the dossier.
The lawmakers also advised the President they have requested the senior judge who oversees the FISA surveillance court “to conduct an investigation into DOJ's conduct in obtaining the FISA warrant and renewals."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...y-key-parts-carter-page-fisa-application.html
“The Committee's investigative findings include DOJ's and FBI's use of an unverified dossier of memoranda that was not subjected to proper U.S. government verification and was not handled according to FBI procedures," the letter says.
It adds: “The FBI’s own Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide (known as the DIOG) prohibits the FBI from using unverified material to obtain a warrant under FISA. The unverified allegations in the dossier were nevertheless presented to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) to obtain a FISA warrant and three renewals on Mr. Page. DOJ also presented a news article that was sourced from the author of the dossier.”
That is an apparent reference to a September 2016 Yahoo News article about intelligence officials probing Page as a possible Russian operative.
Based on the weekend document release, the Yahoo News article was presented to the surveillance court as an independent intelligence stream justifying the surveillance of Page.
But London court records show that contrary to the FBI's assessments that were presented to the FISC, ex-spy Christopher Steele briefed Yahoo News and other reporters in the fall of 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS -- the opposition research firm behind the dossier.
The lawmakers also advised the President they have requested the senior judge who oversees the FISA surveillance court “to conduct an investigation into DOJ's conduct in obtaining the FISA warrant and renewals."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...y-key-parts-carter-page-fisa-application.html
Nice opinion piece on a blog. You do realize the actual FISA was released, right?
Yes.
IMO, it is all "opinion". It can be spun in whichever direction you want it to be spun to fit whatever narrative you want it to fit.
Ultimately, nothing is going to come of it (once again..IMO). If you think it is going to lead to the smoking gun that proves Trump was specifically targeted or that the FBI is a corrupt Dem organization, I think you are going to end up disappointed. If sys thinks it is going to end up being the smoking gun that proves the FBI did everything aboveboard, he will be disappointed also.
No, I'll actually be relieved. Nothing is scarier for democracy than someone using our federal law enforcement and national security apparatus as a political weapon. Since there is smoke, and since the ramifications of that possiblity are really bad, we should want someone to take a very thorough look, no?
Oh sure. I'm in favor of a thorough look (just like I am in favor of the Mueller investigation). Just saying that nothing will come of it. Maybe a slap on the wrist for someone.
The article you quoted was from FOXnews. It is the only one I have seen that comes up with the conclusion that something corrupt clearly happened. I have seen articles from CNN and MSNBC that conclude the opposite.
The reason I posted the opinion piece is that it was actually written by a lawyer. Of course, he likely has his own biases.
I don't think the Fox article comes up with the conclusion that something clearly corrupt happened. I don't think the article actually presents a conclusion. It does present information from the request to declassify the FISA document and from the FISA document.
Does it bother you that the DOJ doesn't seem to want to share information with the oversight people? Does it bother you that they use "danger to national security" as their blanket response to anything that involves transparency?
Maybe. I can see the argument that they are trying to hide their questionable activities. However, their need for keeping a lot of what they do hidden from the public seems necessary in order for them to do their job.
Do they really need to keep this stuff hidden from the public? We aren't talking about actual national security issues like terrorism and DEA activity in Mexico. Nobody is revealing the identities of spies.
I'm not sure you, or I, understand all the fine details of what they do, how they do it, and why...so, I can not answer your question.
True. But the DOJ has stonewalled the folks that do oversight. That's not the public.
Is it possible that the "oversight people" are the ones DOJ is most concerned about using it as a political weapon?
How convenient is that narrative? Which folks have been recently busted for leaking information?
I didn't say it was convenient, or inconvenient, or true or false. I just said it was worth considering the possibility. You know, for the "keep an open mind" crowd.
Theoretically speaking: *if* the majority party is the one controlling the flow of information, and *if* that information is less than sincere, what alternatives exist for the truth to come to light?
Has the leaked information been supported or refuted by the release of the docs?
No conclusions reached, just things to consider.
Open minds!
I don't disagree at all. I guess my opinion is that if the DOJ has nothing to hide, produce what's requested. If the majority party chooses to use it as a political weapon, they will be exposed for doing that. The People provide oversight of the oversighters. Our government was never intended to operate outside our consent.
I'll admit I'm cynical and don't have a lot of faith in the leadership of the "just trust us" groups. I'm not saying they're all bad, but there was no targeting from the IRS, there were WMDs all over Iraq, Libya needs regime change because of genocide, selling arms to Iran was good because Nicaragua, and so on.
Both sides of this garbage have politicized it. Strong UV light from the sun is always the best disinfectant.
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