California off duty cop

[HighStickHarry]

Am I the only one who wishes he would have shot one of those mother fvckrs? Then they go back out to trash his house and his neighborhood. I doubt he was
Home but that would have been a great opportunity to try out the rifles.

Not spanking your kids is settled science I know but just look at our culture. Now The parents are going to sue. They should be embarrassed their kid and his friends are pricks but without shame that doesn't even enter into the equation.

What should have happened is the kids dad should whip his kids ass and the police officers ass and everyone goes on with their life.


https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcn...duty-cop-fires-gun-during-clash-teens-n724501

 

[squeak]

The kids sound like pieces of shit. I'm sure they are.

 

[BIGOSUFAN]

I'd be curious to know how many of these kids had fathers around. By "around" I mean in their house every evening and actively involved in their lives.

 

[Been Jammin]

Am I the only one who wishes he would have shot one of those mother fvckrs? Then they go back out to trash his house and his neighborhood. I doubt he was
Home but that would have been a great opportunity to try out the rifles.

Not spanking your kids is settled science I know but just look at our culture. Now The parents are going to sue. They should be embarrassed their kid and his friends are pricks but without shame that doesn't even enter into the equation.

What should have happened is the kids dad should whip his kids ass and the police officers ass and everyone goes on with their life.


https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcn...duty-cop-fires-gun-during-clash-teens-n724501

That jackass dragged that kid across two yards to get him back on his property. Then, he fired his gun at the 13 year old kid. And you are defending him. SMH.

 

[Cowpoke]

Am I the only one who wishes he would have shot one of those mother fvckrs? Then they go back out to trash his house and his neighborhood. I doubt he was
Home but that would have been a great opportunity to try out the rifles.

Not spanking your kids is settled science I know but just look at our culture. Now The parents are going to sue. They should be embarrassed their kid and his friends are pricks but without shame that doesn't even enter into the equation.

What should have happened is the kids dad should whip his kids ass and the police officers ass and everyone goes on with their life.


https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcn...duty-cop-fires-gun-during-clash-teens-n724501

"Am I the only one who wishes he would have shot one of those mother fvckrs? "

I really really hope so.

 

[Cowpoke]

You need to watch the full video. The editing of the vids in that news piece paints the kids much differently than what really happened. There was no way for them to know he was a cop. It looked like a grumpy old man getting phisical with a kid for walking through his yard, after a long time of everyone just standing around while the guy was clutching the kid and the kid saying he was hurting him, the kid started to try to yank away and it turned into a scuffle where a few of the other kids jumped in to push the guy off of him. Was in no way , shape or form a case of a gang atacking the dude.

 

[07pilt]

 

[Cowpoke]

Watch this and tell me you wish he had shot the kids.

 

[OSUIvan]

Defranco had a good take on it IMO.

 

[HighStickHarry]

He told them repeatedly (if true) without grabbing them and without pulling his weapon. We have a society and we expect decency.

I guess my perspective is I go around not fvcking with people and trying to stay out of other people's way. It seems to take little effort. When I see people who agitate and agitate I want someone to teach them a lesson.

If the guy jumped out of nowhere grabbed someone not on his property to be an asshole then that's one thing. Once they attacked him it was time to get the gun out.

 

[Cowpoke]

Defranco had a good take on it IMO.

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Pretty good take, though I disagree with him that the cop should have ever pulled his weapon. Simply letting go of the kid at that point would have mist likely deescalated the situation and put nobody's life in danger. This was very poorly, and dangerously handled by the cop.

 

[Cowpoke]

He told them repeatedly (if true) without grabbing them and without pulling his weapon. We have a society and we expect decency.

I guess my perspective is I go around not fvcking with people and trying to stay out of other people's way. It seems to take little effort. When I see people who agitate and agitate I want someone to teach them a lesson.

If the guy jumped out of nowhere grabbed someone not on his property to be an asshole then that's one thing. Once they attacked him it was time to get the gun out.

No, not even remotely ok. Just let loose of the kid at that point instead of dragging him through bushes, drawing a gun and shooting it.

That is just idiotic.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Or don't walk on his property over and over.

This is what we see all the time with a liberal mind versus a conservative mind. If you do something wrong you don't get to participate in negotiating the consequences. If the off duty cop overreacts and shoots all of them you are still dead. If you leave people alone and act like a decent citizen you never put the ball in the other guys court to over react in the first place.

 

[07pilt]

I feel bad for the guy. I mean clearly his life didn't work out the way he planned. Now some high school kids walk on his lawn and I can only assume mock his cracker ass when he complains about it. You can only handle so much humiliation in your life before you get physical with a kid that weighs 130 lbs.

 

[long-duc-dong]

I feel bad for the guy. I mean clearly his life didn't work out the way he planned. Now some high school kids walk on his lawn and I can only assume mock his cracker ass when he complains about it. You can only handle so much humiliation in your life before you get physical with a kid that weighs 130 lbs.

Accidental sarcasm to the rescue.

 

[07pilt]

Accidental sarcasm to the rescue.

On the contrary that was unintentional irony.

 

[long-duc-dong]

On the contrary that was unintentional irony.

Uh huh.

 

[HighStickHarry]

I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.
John Wayne's character in the shootist

 

[Cowpoke]

Or don't walk on his property over and over.

This is what we see all the time with a liberal mind versus a conservative mind. If you do something wrong you don't get to participate in negotiating the consequences. If the off duty cop overreacts and shoots all of them you are still dead. If you leave people alone and act like a decent citizen you never put the ball in the other guys court to over react in the first place.

"This is what we see all the time with a liberal mind versus a conservative mind."

No shit. The liberal mind understands the concept of reasonable reactions and responsibility. The conservative mind apparently can not handle this.

"If you leave people alone and act like a decent citizen you never put the ball in the other guys court to over react in the first place."

Well no kidding. That doesn't EXCUSE the overreaction though.

If your 4 year old child hits someone in the knee and that person stabs them in the eye with a switchblade, that person should not be judged?

 

[Been Jammin]

He told them repeatedly (if true) without grabbing them and without pulling his weapon.

So what?

If he is a cop, tell them he is a cop. Show his badge. If necessary, show his weapon. Tell them that if they continue to trespass they will be arrested. If he doesn't feel he can handle them himself, call for back up.

Maybe that 13 year old kid did walk across his lawn 50 times. Maybe he lipped off to him and called him names. That cop chased him across 2 yards and grabbed him and dragged him back into his own yard because he knew that if anything happened in his neighbor's yard, he would have not been defending himself/his property.

He could have easily diffused the situation without putting himself in position to fire his weapon. I hope he faces consequences for his actions.

 

[HighStickHarry]

"This is what we see all the time with a liberal mind versus a conservative mind."

No shit. The liberal mind understands the concept of reasonable reactions and responsibility. The conservative mind apparently can not handle this.

"If you leave people alone and act like a decent citizen you never put the ball in the other guys court to over react in the first place."

Well no kidding. That doesn't EXCUSE the overreaction though.

If your 4 year old child hits someone in the knee and that person stabs them in the eye with a switchblade, that person should not be judged?

Great analogy. A four year old.

 

[HighStickHarry]

We aren't going to agree on this due to the wiring of our brains. Your side shuts down the highway and is upset when someone runs them over. That's unfortunate that you can make sense of that but again it takes so little effort to go around someone's yard when they ask you not to. I guess having parents and grandparents that teach decency is the whole difference here.

I have done some stupid shit in my younger days. If I would have gotten shot when knocking over mailboxes twenty years ago do you think my parents would have sued? Hell no.

 

[HighStickHarry]

So what?

If he is a cop, tell them he is a cop. Show his badge. If necessary, show his weapon. Tell them that if they continue to trespass they will be arrested. If he doesn't feel he can handle them himself, call for back up.

Maybe that 13 year old kid did walk across his lawn 50 times. Maybe he lipped off to him and called him names. That cop chased him across 2 yards and grabbed him and dragged him back into his own yard because he knew that if anything happened in his neighbor's yard, he would have not been defending himself/his property.

He could have easily diffused the situation without putting himself in position to fire his weapon. I hope he faces consequences for his actions.

It seems like you have really high expectations for the adult white male and low expectations for the darker kids. That seems racist to me.

 

[Been Jammin]

We aren't going to agree on this due to the wiring of our brains. Your side shuts down the highway and is upset when someone runs them over. That's unfortunate that you can make sense of that but again it takes so little effort to go around someone's yard when they ask you not to. I guess having parents and grandparents that teach decency is the whole difference here.

I have done some stupid shit in my younger days. If I would have gotten shot when knocking over mailboxes twenty years ago do you think my parents would have sued? Hell no.

I'm sure your parents would have stopped by the shooter's house and thanked him for teaching you a lesson. After all, you knocked over his mailbox. You were just asking to be shot.

 

[Cowpoke]

Great analogy. A four year old.

I'm applying your ridiculous, all encompassing rule of "If you do something wrong you don't get to participate in negotiating the consequences."

 

[Been Jammin]

It seems like you have really high expectations for the adult white male and low expectations for the darker kids. That seems racist to me.

How silly. Holding an adult police officer to higher standards than a 13 year old boy. Kids never rebel or feel that rules don't apply to them.

 

[HighStickHarry]

I'm applying your ridiculous, all encompassing rule of "If you do something wrong you don't get to participate in negotiating the consequences."

Not sure why you stopped at four year olds. Let's throw babies out of the window when they cry because that's obviously the same thing and relevant point.

 

[long-duc-dong]

We aren't going to agree on this due to the wiring of our brains. Your side shuts down the highway and is upset when someone runs them over. That's unfortunate that you can make sense of that but again it takes so little effort to go around someone's yard when they ask you not to. I guess having parents and grandparents that teach decency is the whole difference here.

I have done some stupid shit in my younger days. If I would have gotten shot when knocking over mailboxes twenty years ago do you think my parents would have sued? Hell no.

 

[Cowpoke]

We aren't going to agree on this due to the wiring of our brains. Your side shuts down the highway and is upset when someone runs them over. That's unfortunate that you can make sense of that but again it takes so little effort to go around someone's yard when they ask you not to. I guess having parents and grandparents that teach decency is the whole difference here.

I have done some stupid shit in my younger days. If I would have gotten shot when knocking over mailboxes twenty years ago do you think my parents would have sued? Hell no.

If you were raised by parents that would not have been upset that their son was killed as retaliation for knocking over a freaking mailbox.....then I think we have reached the crux of the issue.

 

[Cowpoke]

Not sure why stopped at four year olds. Let's throw babies out of the window when they cry because that's obviously the same thing and relevant point.

You laid out the theory... I'm showing you how idiotic it is. When a person overacts to a situation, they can be judged.

Especially cops, there are rules governing reasonable use of reactionary force by them.

 

[Cowpoke]

I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.
John Wayne's character in the shootist

Oh, if life were like the movies, I'd never be blue
But here in the real world
It's not that easy at all
Alan Jackson - Here In The Real World

 

[windriverrange]

"Anaheim police said a 13-year-old boy allegedly threatened to shoot the officer, who then attempted to detain the boy until police arrived, sparking a physical confrontation. But the boy's mother disputes that -- saying her son said he was going to sue, not shoot, the officer."

"Two teens were arrested -- one on charges of criminal threats and battery and another for assault and battery, police said"

Assuming the charges hold up, and with the pack of feral youths surrounding and even assaulting the off duty office, can't really see where he erred discharging his weapon. Also the video's I've seen only start when the cop is dragging the kid away, nothing beforehand (if there is one please link) which I'm going to guess is more telling then just what was seen.

 

[Been Jammin]

"Anaheim police said a 13-year-old boy allegedly threatened to shoot the officer, who then attempted to detain the boy until police arrived, sparking a physical confrontation. But the boy's mother disputes that -- saying her son said he was going to sue, not shoot, the officer."

"Two teens were arrested -- one on charges of criminal threats and battery and another for assault and battery, police said"

Assuming the charges hold up, and with the pack of feral youths surrounding and even assaulting the off duty office, can't really see where he erred discharging his weapon. Also the video's I've seen only start when the cop is dragging the kid away, nothing beforehand (if there is one please link) which I'm going to guess is more telling then just what was seen.

If I was that cop, I would probably know that I effed up and it was all on video. I would probably be claiming that the kid threatened to shoot me also. Just like Joe Mixon claimed that Mollitor used the N word before he broke her face.

I did see a longer version of the video, and you can hear the kid asking the adult to let him go, then saying that his parents will sue him.

But, even if the kid threatened to shoot him, the cop was in position to totally defuse the situation rather than escalating it. The kid that tried to tackle him never would have done so if the cop had simply let go of the other kid, rather than dragging him across yards for nearly 5 minutes.

 

[HighStickHarry]

If you were raised by parents that would not have been upset that their son was killed as retaliation for knocking over a freaking mailbox.....then I think we have reached the crux of the issue.

I totally agree. We have different value systems. I would have robbed my parents of watching me graduate high school college getting married and having kids because I did something wrong.

I totally get why you think the way you do. I saw Elizabeth warren break a rule on the flooor of the senate, get warned, continue to break the rule and then her and her minions cried foul that she was silenced. The fact that that makes sense to you shows the two sides of this country are in two different dimensions.

 

[HighStickHarry]

If I was that cop, I would probably know that I effed up and it was all on video. I would probably be claiming that the kid threatened to shoot me also. Just like Joe Mixon claimed that Mollitor used the N word before he broke her face.

I did see a longer version of the video, and you can hear the kid asking the adult to let him go, then saying that his parents will sue him.

But, even if the kid threatened to shoot him, the cop was in position to totally defuse the situation rather than escalating it. The kid that tried to tackle him never would have done so if the cop had simply let go of the other kid, rather than dragging him across yards for nearly 5 minutes.

It's funny that your starting point of responsibility only starts when one person is outnumbered fifteen to one. I believe he did try to diffuse the situation. It's called the multiple times he told them not to walk on his property and did not grab or shoot anyone.

 

[HighStickHarry]

If I was that cop, I would probably know that I effed up and it was all on video. I would probably be claiming that the kid threatened to shoot me also. Just like Joe Mixon claimed that Mollitor used the N word before he broke her face.

I did see a longer version of the video, and you can hear the kid asking the adult to let him go, then saying that his parents will sue him.

But, even if the kid threatened to shoot him, the cop was in position to totally defuse the situation rather than escalating it. The kid that tried to tackle him never would have done so if the cop had simply let go of the other kid, rather than dragging him across yards for nearly 5 minutes.

So he let's them go. What happens tomorrow? What happens next week? They just stop being assholes because the fifteenth time they fvcked with him he said "ok kiddies go on your way." He was pushed and pushed and pushed.

 

[Been Jammin]

So he let's them go. What happens tomorrow? What happens next week? They just stop being assholes because the fifteenth time they fvcked with him he said "ok kiddies go on your way." He was pushed and pushed and pushed.

First off, you don't know that to be true. That is what he claims. This might well have been the first time they crossed his property. Once again. he is in trouble now. He is likely embellishing facts in an attempt to justify his actions.

Secondly, I already answered your question above.

If he is a cop, tell them he is a cop. Show his badge. If necessary, show his weapon. Tell them that if they continue to trespass they will be arrested. If he doesn't feel he can handle them himself, call for back up.

Maybe that 13 year old kid did walk across his lawn 50 times. Maybe he lipped off to him and called him names. That cop chased him across 2 yards and grabbed him and dragged him back into his own yard because he knew that if anything happened in his neighbor's yard, he would have not been defending himself/his property.

He could have easily diffused the situation without putting himself in position to fire his weapon. I hope he faces consequences for his actions.

This isn't rocket surgery.

 

[HighStickHarry]

If it was the first time they walked on his property then I change all of my arguments

 

[Cowpoke]

I totally agree. We have different value systems. I would have robbed my parents of watching me graduate high school college getting married and having kids because I did something wrong.

I totally get why you think the way you do. I saw Elizabeth warren break a rule on the flooor of the senate, get warned, continue to break the rule and then her and her minions cried foul that she was silenced. The fact that that makes sense to you shows the two sides of this country are in two different dimensions.

"The fact that that makes sense to you"

What? The Elizabeth Warren thing? Well, as usual you'r assumption would be wrong.


"I totally agree. We have different value systems. I would have robbed my parents of watching me graduate high school college getting married and having kids because I did something wrong. "

Exactly, and I think the man that killed you should be held accountable for his actions. You keep arguing that he should not because he was wronged.


I think the kid should have been punished for walking across the dudes lawn, and probably being a smart ass. A reasonable punishment.

I think the cop should be punished for his dangerous overreaction. A reasonable punishment.

I think EW deserved a reasonable punishment for her actions. Which she got.

See.... I'm not a hypocrite.

You on the other hand, want to pick and chose who should be held held accountable for their actions.

 

[Been Jammin]

If it was the first time they walked on his property then I change all of my arguments

So, you watched a video, where an off duty cop did something questionable, and took his version of events as gospel truth?