Brooks fails drug test
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I'm not trying to pile on but this is just wild. To see PSU be this impenetrable ship for a decade and then have this much happen in weeks is unreal.
To me, and I know this board may disagree, but this is not PSU. This is a Brooks issue. Once is a mistake. Twice is a trend. I cannot condone it. He is 16 months removed from PSU and he is a grown ass man. He needs to take responsibilty for his actions. I say that as an American. Own it and do better.
I just don’t think you can connect the NWLC to the college program only when it is positive.
Sure I can. i graduate from PSU. 18 months later I light up drug testing.
Is that an acceptable thought process to blame it on PSU? No of course not. Judge a person by the content of their character and not by their associations.
Stuff like this happens probably more often than not, in D1 programs. A few years ago Daton “accidentally” took contraband. It may or may not have been intentional, Daton is a good egg, but I was always a bit doubtful of his explanation.
I mean apples to oranges. Doping is something directly related to what he does as a member of the NWLC.
I’m not saying Cael forced him to dope. My point is so much has happened with the program lately it seems pretty clear Cael isn’t exactly running a tight ship.
I will never blame the program unless I see habitual transgressions. I don't see that here any more than in Fix's situation.
Well, I will say, it's been a significantly off year in Happy Valley in terms of what is normal. What does NLWC stand for?
You can't infer that. If you could, then what does it say about John Smith with Fix and Klimara? I don't blame Smith and OSU for those positives. Why blame PSU and NLWC for this? Stop the automatic attack on PSU. It goes both ways. I'm trying to have a reasonable conversation. Grown ass men need to take responsibility for mistakes.
I absolutely think it reflected poorly on John and our program when Fix popped. That doesn’t mean Fix wasn’t a grown man who was ultimately responsible.
In the past few weeks the NLWC has had an athlete charged with a sex crime, another accused of sex crimes and theft and another popped for a banned substance. You think it’s out of line for non-PSU homers to wonder what the hell is going on up there? If that happened at OSU I would be extremely worried.
Lack of institutional control is what happened
lol. This is not on PSU. This is squarely on NLWC though, where he is still a member. Last year it was a missed "Prescription". This year it is not. PSU fans somehow distancing from Snyder, Carter, and Brooks suddenly after they did what they did reeks of hypocrisy.
As far as I know, CS has never been under contract with NLWC. Nor has he been accused of any sex crimes. Where are the police reports? Innuendo is not good enough. I'm willing to meet you in the middle but not if you're going to troll me. Let's just agree that CS has issues. To what extent no one knows.
Have I distanced from CS? It's his fault. Have I distanced from AB? It's his fault. I don't give a crap about an Ohio State guy meeting a prostitute. I'm not his wife.
Come on man. It’s all the same program just like it is here. Cael is in charge of it all.
I’m not trolling in the slightest. I think I’m being fairly rational and straight forward. You have to remember this is not a PSU board. I don’t think Cael walks on water.
If as much happened to our program in the past month I would be extremely concerned with the leadership.
I’m not sure what I’m saying that is so out of bounds and offensive. It’s a terrible look. Is it more than that? No idea but from anyone not a PSU homer it looks really, really bad.
Not Listening to Wrestling Coach
Did a PED amped up Brooks beat DT?
Which ultimately led him to take the OSU job?
Which ultimately led him to take the OSU job?
I wouldn’t take it too personal. PSU has been nothing but a united front for so many years and now we are seeing cracks in the facade. Of course we are going to have fun going to have fun at their expense. Just we have fun at Iowa’s expense…every day. They’re just too easy of a target.
I view AB popping positive the same way I view Daton popping positive. It’s a f-up that falls on him. These guys are grown men responsible for what goes in their bodies. I’m not gonna throw the whole program under the bus until it’s proven to be a systematic problem. Is this timing great for PSU? Not at all. But AB juicing doesn’t correlate at all to the Bartlett-Starocci stuff imo.
I have a lot more thoughts on Daton’s situation that is outside this topic, but that’s for another thread.
I have a lot more thoughts on Daton’s situation that is outside this topic, but that’s for another thread.
I don't take it personally at all. AB needs to own his misdeeds. Same as anyone else.
As far as you know isn't very far. Do you know what accused means? Do you know what innuendo means? Those are rhetorical questions (you'll probably need to look up what rhetorical means as well).
I’m uneducated so I have no idea what those words mean. Rather than troll, please try to have meaningful conversations. I’ve been open and honest in my posts today. Try your best to be Oklahoma nice in return! Okay?
Haha, nope! No fight!
If you want a fight Chase, you go through him first. Make his day!!!
It’s just been a wild 365 outside of the norm with PSU and I know you see it.
Don’t disagree with much you’ve posted.
And the NCAA hasn't tested for PED in 5 years now.
Exactly the RTC guys are in the room daily and train with the college guys. When they win gold it's WE. And when a problem arises it's well hes really not part of Penn st
You were not honest. There were credible accusations made. You said CS wasn't accused of sex crimes. That's a lie. There were specific claims made by multiple sources. You said it was only innuendo. That's a lie.
We agree. It does reflect poorly on the NLWC and PSU.
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I sort of agree here but it may be more nuanced than that. The Snyder thing is a Snyder thing. I don't believe any family would reconsider where to send their kid based on that. That wasn't connected to wrestling in any way, nor was it even in the same state as PSU. AB having a second issue is a problem for the NLWC, but if he is the only one popping, then you could rightfully say his issue is isolated, and would not effect PSU. Not a good look but again is manageable from a PR point of view. The real issue to me for the PSU program is CS. Answers need to be had here, and how Cael handles this issue is paramount. That goes without saying. There are four main issues. Conduct in the room. Theft. SA on campus women. Pics to underage girls. I think we can all agree that there is some smoke here, but the only reportables were the conduct and the theft. The theft was investigated and dropped. The key issue is how Cael handled the conduct. He controls the program and everything in it. If he handled it appropriately, but it continued unreported anyway, then he will certainly tighten that up and that will be his story to recruits and family. "We had an issue with one guy, and we have instituted new rules to prevent that in the future". That may suffice.
So a terrible look for the program, but mainly on that one issue, and one that needs addressing by Cael. The bigger legal issues are the pics and SA, but if the program doesn't know about the pics and SA, then you can't blame them. Even the article suggests that these went unreported. Similar to AJ, I don't blame OSU for his actions. The response to that by Smith was appropriate. Let's see what transpires here. Obviously CS is long gone, but Cael needs to respond.
AND PSU.
It’s ok to admit that. Brooks was just on the team a season ago, is a PSU 4xer and hasn’t left the room or the coach that made him.
It “reflects” badly, but this particular incident doesn’t mean lack of collegiate institutional control.
The problem is and should be taken as a whole. And Carl should be scared right now. Solely because of the Carter stuff - but AB popping doesn’t help things.
I've said that elsewhere, but my reply was in response to a mention of the NLWC. Context.
I edited my previous reply to add PSU. Just for you vhs.
As a leader, manager, coach, the organization or team is a direct reflection of the person leading it in most people's eyes. They are ultimately responsible for their players or associates' actions and results. All of this stuff happening in such a short period of time (Davis arrest, Snyder arrest, Starocci accusations, Brooks 2x failed drug tests), you have to question the leadership of the person in charge of the team/organization. Because he is the one who has the most influence over the members of the team and ultimately, he is responsible for them.
I'll stick with the Starocci accusations, and specifically the one related to conduct in the room, as being the one that raises questions. I don't really buy into the narrative of your post. I know no one on here agrees with that and it's okay. We can agree to disagree.
I have said that many of times on this forum with other posters, "We can agree to disagree". I am glad that we can agree on that. You stole my saying! haha
The other fun saying was from my company's general counsel. "We are in heated agreement". Always loved that one.
