Boy, just can't get my arms around these conservatives.

[Medic007]

And it's a freaking outrage to me regardless of who's in office. Ergo, the thread title.

Uh huh. I'm supposing that's why your thread title specifically referenced conthervatifths and all of your intense whining has been directed toward conthervatifths. Not a single peep in this thread about Barry from you. Not a single peep from you about the poultry farm kids when it was actually news.

The day late dollar short Cryanosaurus Rex for the Kids! routine is hilarious though.

 

[AC_Exotic]

And it's a freaking outrage to me regardless of who's in office. Ergo, the thread title.

Agree 100%.

It's shameful.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Agree 100%.

It's shameful.

Okay, you and I disagree on about 80% of politics, but you see something like that and instantly wonder what has happened and it captures your attention. Why not other conservatives? This has picked up almost nothing in the conservative media or social media.

 

[Headhunter]

Yet you lefties want government involved in almost everything.

Working theory of mine. These weren't really kids in the first place so the first chance they got they disappeared.

 

[wyomingosualum]

I learned about it around the time of the OP. Saw the inflammatory meme and then had the curiosity to go "Wth? This can't be true?" and wondered why it wasn't a huge thing. The articles didn't pin down exactly when the kids were missing, but it referenced a 2016 poultry farm, so I assumed it was both admin's. I'd have expected the wingnuto'sphered to be going ape shit, "LOOK AT THE OBAMA ERA FASCISM! THEY'RE SELLING KIDS!" etc. but... nothing. Cons flipped their shit over abortion or a fictional pedophile ring in a basement of a pizza restaurant but this? Nada. I mean, how do YOU explain that?!?

Ergo, please look at the thread title. Take WYO for example -- still hasn't sat down and really looked it up, but reflexively comes up with some ideas why it's probably not a big deal. But have a wingnut say something about a pedophile in a pizza parlor and.... well, here we go.

Just coming from totally different places.

And it's a freaking outrage to me regardless of who's in office. Ergo, the thread title.

Thou dork. You bring up a topic for discussion and it’s my job to do your research for you?

You brought up the poultry farm. I asked an obvious question. Is this a voluntary work situation or is it a forced labor situation?

By the way, I did look up the situation. That’s how I came about to post the update. You know, the update where the spokesman said people aren’t responding to the agency’s inquiries.

 

[AC_Exotic]

Okay, you and I disagree on about 80% of politics, but you see something like that and instantly wonder what has happened and it captures your attention. Why not other conservatives? This has picked up almost nothing in the conservative media or social media.

I don't know. But then again, I don't watch the news.

Who do you know that is covering this?

 

[Medic007]

Okay, you and I disagree on about 80% of politics, but you see something like that and instantly wonder what has happened and it captures your attention. Why not other conservatives? This has picked up almost nothing in the conservative media or social media.

You got duped just like your fellow Trumpanzees. Why would anyone with any common sense run with a leftist dingbat story? You guys will fall for anything these days.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...mid-weekend-misleading-anti-trump-tweets.html

 

[Bitter Creek]

Nary a peep?

I remember when Sys lambasted me for misinterpreting a meme. He went to extremes to make sure that I knew that I should be sure of what I was talking about before posting.

I'm sure he will take his own advice going forward.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

I remember when Sys lambasted me for misinterpreting a meme. He went to extremes to make sure that I knew that I should be sure of what I was talking about before posting.

I'm sure he will take his own advice going forward.

Meme is solid gold. I'll never understand the wingnut mindset. If Cernovich would've said somethign about it you guys would lose it.

 

[Alpha Poke]

Meme is solid gold. I'll never understand the wingnut mindset. If Cernovich would've said somethign about it you guys would lose it.

 

[Medic007]

Meme is solid gold.

It's actually solid turd since it's a picture from 2014, but don't let get in the way of your "solid" narrative, NZPokekatine.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

It's actually solid turd since it's a picture from 2014, but don't let get in the way of your "solid" narrative, NZPokekatine.

Shoo, boy. This isn't the incel board. If you wanna rage against something at least understand the topic at hand, Dork.

 

[CBradSmith]

People chose not to answer their phone. Hell, I have the USDA hounding me right not to complete a mandatory survey. I’m not going to do it. They can write, they can call, they can threaten, but in the end, they can lick my balls because I’m not going to do it.

Were the poultry workers there voluntarily or was this some sort of forced servitude situation? That’s a serious question, by the way.

And finally, I wonder where our responsibility ends in this situation. Kids came here illegally. They were mostly housed with friends and family that they came here to be with in the first place. I don’t see reason for alarm yet. What percentage of people won’t answer the phone when it’s a number they don’t know? I’m one of those people and I’d bet I’m not the only person who is sick and tired of unsolicited sales calls.

You've been reported missing.

 

[Bitter Creek]

It's actually solid turd since it's a picture from 2014, but don't let get in the way of your "solid" narrative, NZPokekatine.

You can tell a lot about a man by the way they refuse to admit to being wrong, even when plainly busted on it.

I used to somewhat respect Sys. That respect has now gone to 0.

 

[CBradSmith]

@syskatine
I'm forced to believe something is going on in your life.

You aren't coping well. You're missing basic connections or harmless opportunities for walkback.

You're entered zealot mode, frothing at the mouth, and flailing.

Clean yourself up and we'll think about a trip to the lake. But right now, I wouldn't admit you to Six Flags and barely your neighborhood Walmart.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

You can tell a lot about a man by the way they refuse to admit to being wrong, even when plainly busted on it.

Let's work through this together. Type this: "Sys, I'm sorry for twisting your OP and trying to find something to use against you because you've wore my ass out so many times on here. I promise to not do it any more."

If you type that I'll have a whole new attitude towards you after the whole, "Why should I pay to educate someone else's kids?" post of yours.

 

[davidallen]

To answer your question, I suppose it depends on the terms as agreed in the contract. For instance each side could pony up a non refundable sum of money in advance that would be handed over to the side that won the arbitration. Or one of the terms of the contract might give the arbitration company the authority to crack some skulls of a party that reneges.

Violence is the ultimate means of resolution? Thanks for the response.

BTW: where would the authority to crack skulls derive from?

 

[Alpha Poke]

@syskatine
I'm forced to believe something is going on in your life.

You aren't coping well. You're missing basic connections or harmless opportunities for walkback.

You're entered zealot mode, frothing at the mouth, and flailing.

Clean yourself up and we'll think about a trip to the lake. But right now, I wouldn't admit you to Six Flags and barely your neighborhood Walmart.

No shit, crack a self deprecating joke and move on.

We've all shot bricks.

 

[Medic007]

Shoo, boy. This isn't the incel board. If you wanna rage against something at least understand the topic at hand, Dork.

Huh? Dude, you've gone full ToonTard with a twist of NZ. Although thoroughly amusing, it's also worrisome. I hope your lot lizard business isn't in the dumps.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Violence is the ultimate means of resolution? Thanks for the response.

BTW: where would the authority to crack skulls derive from?

In that scenario violence would be the ultimate means. The authority would come from the terms of the contract to which both parties voluntarily agreed beforehand. I'm not suggesting that is the way things would have to be. Most right thinking people would be hesitant to enter into a contract with another if they believed the other party might be so untrustworthy that a provision like that would be necessary. But in a land of free wheeling entrepreneurs that would be one possibility.

I have been in business 50+ years. In that time I have entered into well over 20,000 contracts, almost all of them concluded by handshake. I can count on the fingers of one hand how often the people with whom I dealt were devious, slow pay or no pay. My experience is that the overwhelming majority of people are upright, honest straight shooters. I know my experience is anecdotal, not scientific. But virtually every small business person I know would report the same results. Honoring your word is one of those things Albert J. Nock talks about being true law, a standard of morality that is practiced by virtually every one, no legislation required. There is no reason to believe people in a free society would act differently. But - just in case - people could enter into a contract with provisions agreed to by both parties, even if one of the provisions included cracking the skulls of a party that cheated.

Ready to answer my question now?

 

[davidallen]

In that scenario violence would be the ultimate means. The authority would come from the terms of the contract to which both parties voluntarily agreed beforehand. I'm not suggesting that is the way things would have to be. Most right thinking people would be hesitant to enter into a contract with another if they believed the other party might be so untrustworthy that a provision like that would be necessary. But in a land of free wheeling entrepreneurs that would be one possibility.

I have been in business 50+ years. In that time I have entered into well over 20,000 contracts, almost all of them concluded by handshake. I can count on the fingers of one hand how often the people with whom I dealt were devious, slow pay or no pay. My experience is that the overwhelming majority of people are upright, honest straight shooters. I know my experience is anecdotal, not scientific. But virtually every small business person I know would report the same results. Honoring your word is one of those things Albert J. Nock talks about being true law, a standard of morality that is practiced by virtually every one, no legislation required. There is no reason to believe people in a free society would act differently. But - just in case - people could enter into a contract with provisions agreed to by both parties, even if one of the provisions included cracking the skulls of a party that cheated.

Ready to answer my question now?

I can't help but think about what divorce would look like, especially with children involved, without social backed authority to mediate and enforce settlements...

 

[Ponca Dan]

I can't help but think about what divorce would look like, especially with children involved, without social backed authority to mediate and enforce settlements...

Where are you thinking there would be no authority to mediate and enforce settlements? Why would a free society have any more complications than the authoritarian one under which we live now?

 

[Bitter Creek]

Let's work through this together. Type this: "Sys, I'm sorry for twisting your OP and trying to find something to use against you because you've wore my ass out so many times on here. I promise to not do it any more."

If you type that I'll have a whole new attitude towards you after the whole, "Why should I pay to educate someone else's kids?" post of yours.

0 respect

 

[Bitter Creek]

Violence is the ultimate means of resolution? QUOTE]

Always.

Without the threat of violence, laws are just words.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

No shit, crack a self deprecating joke and move on.

We've all shot bricks.

But not on this one. And here you are still not giving a shit. After reading this thread I think I've finally figured it out:

You. medic, brad, bitter... you really are dumbasses. Occam's razor, etc.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

It's actually solid turd since it's a picture from 2014, but don't let get in the way of your "solid" narrative, NZPokekatine.

I don't have the time but a good meme of Charlie Brown's teacher droning on right now would be perfect. Bzzzbzzzzzbbbbzzzzzzbzzzzzzbzzzzz.....

 

[Medic007]

You. medic, brad, bitter... you really are dumbasses. Occam's razor, etc.

Yeah, we're the ones posting a 2014 picture as a 2018 problem...

 

[Medic007]

I don't have the time but a good meme of Charlie Brown's teacher droning on right now would be perfect. Bzzzbzzzzzbbbbzzzzzzbzzzzzzbzzzzz.....

You ate all of Clinton's Retarded McNuggets.

 

[Bitter Creek]

Yeah, we're the ones posting a 2014 picture as a 2018 problem...

Yes. He is proving to be quite the intellectual.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Here’s the poultry farm story from 2015. To summarize, two Guatemalans and a Mexican smuggled 10 people, 8 of whom were children, and made them work involuntarily. Another victory for Obama immigration policy.


https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...fficking-ring-on-Ohio-egg-farm/1321435931987/

Four accused in slave-labor trafficking ring on Ohio egg farm
Amy R. Connolly
MARION, Ohio, July 3 (UPI) -- Four people were indicted Thursday in a slave-labor ring that smuggled Guatemalan teens and adults into the United States and forced them to live in squalid conditions while working at an Ohio egg farm.

Federal investigators said recruiters enlisted adults and teens in Guatemala, some as young as 14, on the promise of good jobs in the United States and a good education. The laborers were smuggled across the border to Marion, located about 50 miles north of Columbus, where they lived in dilapidated trailers. They were forced to work at a chicken farm where they spent 12 hours a day cleaning coops, debeaking chickens and loading and unloading crates of chickens. The indictment said the workers were threatened with bodily harm if they refused work.

Aroldo Castillo-Serrano, 33 and Ana Angelica Pedro Juan, 21, both of Guatemala; Conrado Salgado Soto, 52, of Mexico; and Pablo Duran Jr., 23 are facing varied charges related to forced labor and immigration offenses, the U.S. Justice Department said.

Prosecutors said the victims were two men and eight children, and forced to work at Trillium Farms in Johnstown, Ohio. The first of the men was smuggled into the U.S. in 2011 and the teens in 2014.

Trillium officials would not speak about specifics of the case, instead releasing a written statement:

"When federal officials made us aware of a possible employment issue with one of our contractors, we immediately cooperated and assisted in the investigation. That work led to the swift identification and same-day rescue of the employees believed to be working against their will. Our contract with the company was terminated by Trillium Farms, and the company is no longer working for us."

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Yeah, we're the ones posting a 2014 picture as a 2018 problem...

Neither am I!

Let's get Rep. Ponzi in on this, shall we?

Here’s the poultry farm story from 2015. To summarize, two Guatemalans and a Mexican smuggled 10 people, 8 of whom were children, and made them work involuntarily. Another victory for Obama immigration policy.


https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...fficking-ring-on-Ohio-egg-farm/1321435931987/

Four accused in slave-labor trafficking ring on Ohio egg farm
Amy R. Connolly
MARION, Ohio, July 3 (UPI) -- Four people were indicted Thursday in a slave-labor ring that smuggled Guatemalan teens and adults into the United States and forced them to live in squalid conditions while working at an Ohio egg farm.

Federal investigators said recruiters enlisted adults and teens in Guatemala, some as young as 14, on the promise of good jobs in the United States and a good education. The laborers were smuggled across the border to Marion, located about 50 miles north of Columbus, where they lived in dilapidated trailers. They were forced to work at a chicken farm where they spent 12 hours a day cleaning coops, debeaking chickens and loading and unloading crates of chickens. The indictment said the workers were threatened with bodily harm if they refused work.

Aroldo Castillo-Serrano, 33 and Ana Angelica Pedro Juan, 21, both of Guatemala; Conrado Salgado Soto, 52, of Mexico; and Pablo Duran Jr., 23 are facing varied charges related to forced labor and immigration offenses, the U.S. Justice Department said.

Prosecutors said the victims were two men and eight children, and forced to work at Trillium Farms in Johnstown, Ohio. The first of the men was smuggled into the U.S. in 2011 and the teens in 2014.

Trillium officials would not speak about specifics of the case, instead releasing a written statement:

"When federal officials made us aware of a possible employment issue with one of our contractors, we immediately cooperated and assisted in the investigation. That work led to the swift identification and same-day rescue of the employees believed to be working against their will. Our contract with the company was terminated by Trillium Farms, and the company is no longer working for us."

That pisses me off to the Nth degree. I'll repeat like the 7th time in this thread: I will never understand you people.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Neither am I!

Let's get Rep. Ponzi in on this, shall we?



That pisses me off to the Nth degree. I'll repeat like the 7th time in this thread: I will never understand you people.

I posted the story that you refused to post for whatever reason. And now I’m the bad guy?

 

[Medic007]

Neither am I!

Right. Sure. Totally believable. Your original meme definitely isn't a picture from 2014 that your fellow Trumpanzees on Twitter tried to attribute to Trump.

That pisses me off to the Nth degree. I'll repeat like the 7th time in this thread: I will never understand you people.

We're supposed to be breathlessly hysterical today over a story from 2015 that you apparently chose to ignore or dismiss at the time? Not all of us spent 8 years fondling the tiny ballsack of 0bama.

 

[davidallen]

Always.

Without the threat of violence, laws are just words.

You made my point for me. Thanks.

 

[davidallen]

Where are you thinking there would be no authority to mediate and enforce settlements? Why would a free society have any more complications than the authoritarian one under which we live now?

Where that authority derived from is the question. In your view if not government via the consent of the people then where?

 

[Ponca Dan]

Where that authority derived from is the question. In your view if not government via the consent of the people then where?

How many times do I have to say it? From the consent of the people making the contract. What other consent do you want? What other consent do you need? What other consent do you think there should be?

Are you ready to answer MY question now that I’ve answered several of yours?

 

[davidallen]

How many times do I have to say it? From the consent of the people making the contract. What other consent do you want? What other consent do you need? What other consent do you think there should be?

Are you ready to answer MY question now that I’ve answered several of yours?

Your presumption that people entering into an agreement will consent to the dissolution of that contract amicably is not based in reality. You do realize that 39.6% of cases are appealed to a higher authority.

I believe I am answering your question BTW. If that isn't obvious then shame on me... Let me be explicit - in some percentage of cases ultimate enforcement of the contract requires force. The source of that force can not be the individuals or some appeal to a general sense of fairness, it should be IMO an impartial third party carrying the weight of authority that can only be derived from the consent of the people.

For example, a friend of mine wins in binding arbitration over the scope of a license deal but DirectTV decides to try and outlast them with infinite appeals. Mind you, the contract entered into by both parties had a binding arbitration clause. DirectTV appealed questioning the validity of their own contract. Only upon force exerted by a Federal Court was the judgement satisfied.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Your presumption that people entering into an agreement will consent to the dissolution of that contract amicably is not based in reality. You do realize that 39.6% of cases are appealed to a higher authority.

I believe I am answering your question BTW. If that isn't obvious then shame on me...

Ah, you were practicing the Socratic method! Sure, people want to appeal a decision that goes against them. All the way to the Supreme Court if necessary! Why couldn’t such a system exist in a free society? The contract could stipulate an appeal process, why couldn’t it? But the arbitration process within the contract would eventually have a final appeal. Explain to me why you think that could not work?

 

[davidallen]

Ah, you were practicing the Socratic method! Sure, people want to appeal a decision that goes against them. All the way to the Supreme Court if necessary! Why couldn’t such a system exist in a free society? The contract could stipulate an appeal process, why couldn’t it? But the arbitration process within the contract would eventually have a final appeal. Explain to me why you think that could not work?

I expanded my response while you were writing, apologies...

In some circumstances parties will only respond to external authority. The source of that force hasn't to supersede that of the parties, it must be viewed to be impartial to the parties to be credible, and it must have actual ability to hold parties accountable for non compliance. Anarchistic Society would not have entities with such power by your very definition.

You seem to assert on the one hand that there shall not be authority over individuals and then on the other ask "why would there not be authority over individuals". Your a smart dude, help me understand how both will be true.

 

[JimmyBob]

But not on this one. And here you are still not giving a shit. After reading this thread I think I've finally figured it out:

You. medic, brad, bitter... you really are dumbasses. Occam's razor, etc.

No, that's what the Lord made mirrors for; take a selfie dumb ass. BTW, you own this pile of shit, time to clean it up: