Boy, just can't get my arms around these conservatives.
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Parents shouldn't of tried to enter the country illegally. I'm sure they are getting better food and care than they did on the train.Nary a peep?
What should we do? Put them on government aid and let them live where ever they please? Reward law breakers that's the liberal way.
Child sex ring = enforcing federal laws.
Thanks for the few thousand more maga votes with your nonsensical bs.
Looks like to me those people have never been safer from ms-13 and Mexican drug cartels in their life.
Thanks for the few thousand more maga votes with your nonsensical bs.
Looks like to me those people have never been safer from ms-13 and Mexican drug cartels in their life.
Sounds like the missing kids in federal custody hasn't penetrated the wingnut media.
Just found it. Sounds like the obama administration just didn’t give a shit.
Care to put this meme in context? What's the story behind it? When was it taken? Who took it? Where was it taken? Who are the kids? Do you have a link to the picture sans meme?
I know I should just trust you, but well, you lefties have this habit of using unrestrained hyperbole about everything. Outlandish alarmist predictions about the climate, literal LEE Hitler, Russian Bots taking over the Twitter share button, owning more than 30 guns, Guam tipping over, etc...
It should.
But the national media has always been strangely quiet about human trafficking.
I hope the children are saved and the criminals are thrown behind bars.
It happens under the governance of liberals and Democrats and the conservatives and Republicans rail against the cruelty and heartlessness of liberals and Democrats.Nary a peep?
It happens under the governance of conservatives and Republicans and the liberals and Democrats rail against the cruelty and heartlessness of conservatives and Republicans.
It happens as an action by government and liberals/Democrats and conservatives/Republicans are strangely quiet about the cruelty and heartlessness of government.
Is that the article shysterkine was referring to? I see why he didn't want to post it.
CORRECTION: The headline and first paragraph of this story originally stated that the children that HHS could not account for had been separated from their parents at the southern U.S. border by the government. That is mistaken. The children were unaccompanied minors from various Central American countries who reached the southern U.S. border between 2013 and 2016.
I don’t know if that is the same article he is referring to, but I believe it is the story about which he is commenting.
Syskatine fails are filling up the warehouse with inventory. I cannot even imagine his posts after biff’s re-election.
If only private enterprise was waiting in the wings to help children. Wait.... child trafficking IS private enterprise, isn't it? As are the poultry farms where they worked some of the kids? Railing about government in general makes as much sense as railing against capitalism in general.
Medic and wharry, this story is all over, and the fact you haven't picked up in it outside of your usual wingnut ecosystem should tell you everything.
I listen to the wait wait don’t tell me recording in Monday’s usually so you and I will have things to talk about. You have to give me time to catch up on these things.
I think railing against government in general makes a great deal of sense since government screws up more often than not, and almost always either makes a situation worse or creates unintended consequences that create new problems of their own. One one the reasons to rail against government is when government screws up it affects every single one of us. When a private enterprise screws up it has a limited effect.
Who knows if the human trafficers are acting privately? They could just as easily be agents from a foreign government. The “egg kidnappers” represent only a small percentage of the lost children.
The point is that happened under the watchful protective eye of government. It is foolish to blame liberals or conservatives, it happened by government.
Sys be like
“Missing children in government custody!” OUTRAGE!!!!
“Private enterprise!!”
“Need more government!”
When is he going to get a fvckin clue and realize our government is complicit in the trafficking of children as sex slaves?
Maybe if he sends a letter to his hero Hillary she’ll be honest and tell him what she gets per child.
This is the foundational statement that leads to the marginalization of ivory tower libertarianism. What does this mean? How have you measured it? Why do you hate law enforcement, fire fighters, and first responders?
I haven't been staying glued to the news this weekend. I'm sure it must be really big news if you're following it. How about being a broski and posting a link?
That’s quite a conclusion, David. You are suggesting by your questions that I am in favor of an uncivil society. Nowhere in anything I have written have I even come close to such a position. There are countless books, pamphlets, speeches, blog posts that discuss ways for society to be civil without the authoritarianism of government. Indeed they often argue that government becomes an impediment to a civil society. One need only look at the fraction that is taking place in our society, as sides jockey for power, to see government for what it really is.
Ivory tower libertarianism is no more deserving of ridicule than is ivory tower liberalism, ivory tower social justice, or any other ivory tower ism. They are all utopian visions of what society could be if only human nature wouldn’t get in the way. It is for us to decide in which utopia we would best be served if we angled our society in that direction. Ivory tower libertarians like myself attempt to provide people with the notion of what a society based on liberty might look like.
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By engaging in it. And it’s not just the Federal Government. It’s state entities too
Engaging in it? Government? You're gonna have to help me here.... Links at least?
You said government screws up more than half the time. How do you get to that conclusion?
Three things come immediately to mind:
1) Healthcare costs will be reduced on average $2,500.00/year. (Healthcare cost have gone up, not down.)
2) We must start a war in Iraq because Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. (After years of warfare and billions - trillions? - of dollars no such weapons were found.)
3) We will take these immigrant children and put them in a safe environment. (They lost - lost! - 1500 children that were in their care.)
4) We must fight in Vietnam to avoid avoid a domino effect collapse of countries in SE Asia becoming communist. (It was a lie they used to persuade the American people to sacrifice 50,000 of its young men, and billions (trillions?) of dollars so the military-industrial complex could get richer.)
5) Taxpayers must bail out the banks and auto companies in an effort to save capitalism by destroying it. (Decades later we still haven’t recovered from that film flam.)
6) We must inflict tariffs (taxes) on the American consumer in order to save 100,000 jobs in the steel sector even though it will cost the jobs of 400,000 or more jobs in other sectors of the economy. (It happened under Bush and it will happen under Trump. Now that idiot wants to put tariffs on cars!)
I could go on, but that is enough for now.
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What was the rate of return economically and environmentally for cash for clunkers? What about that rule where everybody with a good accountant got a free electric golf cart?
Here, David, I found this a minute ago. Here’s an example of government overreach, abuse, making things worse, not better.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrant...rder-patrol-was-monstrous-under-obama-imagine
I get the examples. What I don't get is the overall failure conclusion. IMO America is successful/thriving despite these and other mistakes. The statement "government screws up more often than not" looks past the every day successes.
Not arguing that we can't do better, but we have done pretty damn well for ourselves and to some degree the world.
One data point.
Did the lights come on when you flipped the switch this morning?
The biggest government screw up is the welfare system. Instead of relieving poverty; it perpetuates it - generationaly.
I can rely on my lights coming on every morning unless there is a thunderstorm, snowstorm or ice storm. Then not so much.
Lots of options for you to participate in solving for edge cases. Get a Powerball or a generator.
In the big picture government programs for rural electrification benefitted you and your forebears immensely.
Extremely accurate.
There’s mountains of data and studies to support this.
Your statement, combined with this, will likely be the the ultimate downfall of the west. It’s basic math.
Here the difference between your outlook and mine.
You look at government programs and see all the good they do, and conclude government involvement in society is a wonderful thing, there probably ought to be more of it. Any failures are most likely due to a lack of adequate funding (we should charge higher taxes, especially on the rich), or the bureaucrat in charge has insufficient police power to assure his dictates are carried out. Wouldn’t you agree that is a fairly accurate depiction of your outlook?
I look at the successes claimed by the government and see two things: 1) they are policies that could be carried out just as well, if not better, by private functionaries. 2) They almost always have unintended negative consequences somewhere else along the line, negative consequences that remain hidden from the public consciousness (tariffs are a perfect example). Also, when government policies fail they have a negative effect on the entire country. They are policies that have no limit. Private failures have effect only on those involved. Government failures resonate across the country. They are dictates - orders - the entire public must follow. Resistance is futile. Obey or face punishment. That is a societal situation that begs for abuse. It attracts abusers. Government is filled with abuse everywhere you look.
When a government policy fails I say stop the policy, it is a failure. You say it just needs more money and authority to work. As long as we see things this way we will always be political opponents.
My position is significantly different than you presume. Thumbing this on a Pixel so will spare you gory details but IMO certain functions only make sense when delivered in aggregate. Courts are an easy example. These functions can be enhanced by private interests but can not be entirely assumed by non state entities.
I was adding to the data points. You know I don’t think there is only one thing the government does wrong, correct?
I do not dispute that rural electrification helped farmers and their communities. My mother’s family consists of farmers in SW Oklahoma. The point I make is the rural electrification program almost certainly had negative consequences somewhere else. City folks were taxed to pay for it, for example. The money confiscated from them to help the farmers was money that could not go somewhere else. The people who earned the money that was taken away from them by taxation had no say in where they spent that money. Maybe Joe the plumber had been saving for a college fund for his daughter. College fund dropped, daughter didn’t get to go to college. Maybe she would have been a brilliant physicist, would have invented a product that would have benefited humankind. No college, no invention, humankind is poorer because of it. If you have not read anything by Fredric Bastiat I urge you to do so. If you read him with an open mind he will probably open your eyes to the mistake of government involvement in an economy.
