Black lives matter kills policeman from sniper positions

[HighStickHarry]

In retaliation for perceived police violence against their race. It's not a race thing. Not in 2016.

What is the narrative on this?

I honestly with my whole heart blame these deaths on liberals. They have made an inflammatory situation by exploiting race when it is a socioeconomic issue. They have done this to fire up their base, get Twitter hits and raise money. It's sickening.

Poor people, with shitty schools and public defenders who don't care what happens to them are dealt a shitty hand. The fact that minorities make up a disproportionate amount of the poor, is another conversation. Poor people are screwed from birth, regardless of race and they turn to crime and automatically become antagonists to police who are paid to enforce laws. Not a surprise. What has made it a powder keg is Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, msnbc, npr and the rest who profit from it.

 

[HighStickHarry]

I just watched an officer get killed. Not sure if it was live or not.

 

[MegaPoke]

Who benefits from this chaos?

 

[OSUDirt]

I just watched an officer get killed live.

As opposed to how many black people we've seen killed on video?

Neither are right

 

[HighStickHarry]

As opposed to how many black people we've seen killed on video?

Neither are right

I edited my post, I'm not sure if it was live or not, but I don't get your point.

You are actually proving my point. What did race have to do with me expressing the fact I saw somebody get gunned down in what I thought was real time? It was quite shocking. But somehow you thought I was more exasperated because the officer was white? I didn't even state his race. Was I dismissing any black death with my statement?

 

[HighStickHarry]

Who benefits from this chaos?

Angry disenfranchised who scored one against the pigs.

All media, cable news, network news, newspapers, Facebook, Twitter, political websites and blogs.

Our foreign adversaries who use this instability against us in the common market of global water cooler discussions. Couple that with the distraction our leaders will face being drawn away from global issues.

 

[MegaPoke]

As opposed to how many black people we've seen killed on video?

Neither are right

It's quite possible you are not considering several metrics in this statement. Is it possible a non-racist white officer sees a disproportionate number of violent calls featuring young black men?

 

[HighStickHarry]

It's quite possible you are not considering several metrics in this statement. Is it possible a non-racist white officer sees a disproportionate number of violent calls featuring young black men?

You can't say that. You can't believe that and you are not allowed to even entertain the thought. That fact is racist.

 

[MegaPoke]

Angry disenfranchised who scored one against the pigs.

All media, cable news, network news, newspapers, Facebook, Twitter, political websites and blogs.

Our foreign adversaries who use this instability against us in the common market of global water cooler discussions. Couple that with the distraction our leaders will face being drawn away from global issues.

And Professional civil rights leaders. And Elected leaders who benefit form a declaration of martial law to extend an administration and push through unconstitutional executive orders etc.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Will Elijah Cummings sit on the floor for black shooters with assault rifles?

 

[MegaPoke]

You can't say that. You can't believe that and you are not allowed to even entertain the thought. That fact is racist.

Or... Decades of institutionalized enslavement of inner city minorities and the resulting 90% unmarried births have built a multigenerational class of dependents and criminals that should qualify the uniparty for war crimes. I have zero belief that genetic racial inequality exists. But the establishment has utterly failed black Americans.

 

[wyomingosualum]

If you were an officer, would you show up for work tomorrow?

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Isn't this exercise of the second amendment that it's all about? Having guns to take on oppressive government? That's what they're doing - resisting government, right?

The answer, obviously isn't to restrict guns -- the cops just need MORE guns.

I hope the other cops pull through. For the record, I'm against shooting cops. Or anyone else.

 

[MegaPoke]

Isn't this exercise of the second amendment that it's all about? Having guns to take on oppressive government? That's what they're doing - resisting government, right?

The answer, obviously isn't to restrict guns -- the cops just need MORE guns.

I hope the other cops pull through. For the record, I'm against shooting cops. Or anyone else.

Dumb.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

As opposed to how many black people we've seen killed on video?

Neither are right

Police officers aren't black? Interesting.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

Dumb.

Par for the course.

 

[BixbyPoke]

If you were an officer, would you show up for work tomorrow?

It would be scary for sure, but I'd also be upset with the 3 cops involved in the 2 shootings.

 

[anon_ph7vrsh7abnty]

Two people said important/proven things:
There is a disproportionate amount of minority crime.

We have failed to pull them out of decades of oppressive institutions for far, far too long.


Given the second, don't you at least entertain the idea that they have or at least feel like they have run out of options?

It's 2016 and they don't feel safe when they get pulled over for a traffic stop. I have real doubts that most of you have accounted for what that would do to your psychology.

Lastly, racism is very much alive. All forms of stupid are. Just check any comments section if you start to doubt how awful our education system is.

 

[windriverrange]

Adverpoke I don't entertain the second much and think its a chicken crap way to describe that situation.

The "we" part is baloney! Minorities have been used as pawns since the mid-60's and continue to vote for the same people with the same ideology and getting the same results. How many trillions of dollars have been throw at this problem and the needle basically hasn't moved?

Here is the one fact people often can't and won't talk about, the family unit has utterly been destroyed (thank you federal government) and offspring from multiple fathers with no patriarchal guidance are for the most part doomed. Those kids are often taken under the wing of someone they see as a "protector/father figure" and that person then begins to train them to be something they never should be.

I'm not buying the "they are poor so they have no alternative" bullshit either. If that were the case then the majority (white), in the US, would have run rampant committing crimes during the depression, which didn't happen and oh by the way the education system wasn't that great for poor people back then either. But family units were the fabric to help guide kids along and at least teach them some personal responsibility, work ethics etc.

Use to teach school, but got out of it because the unions were a pain in the ass and many of the parents I dealt with were single and viewed me as a babysitter and not someone trying to help their children attain an education. Oh the teachers unions still support the ideology above as well.

I don't care how bad your life is, how bad your education is, whether your black, red, yellow or white...there is no justification for what happened last night. You may or may not have some bad cops that killed two minorities in LA & MN, the facts and investigation need to be completed and then the situation needs to be rectified. If they murdered those two men, they should be tried by a jury of their peers and punished accordingly. If not then the shootings should be ruled justifiable and that's that. The problem though is because of social media the narrative is already out there and the verdict is already in...

Minorities are being slaughtered in the inner-cities and no one gives a shit...black life's matter my ass. This "movement" is another vehicle to rip this country apart. I hate the status quo for the inner cities, but there are poor people all over this country who don't use their social status or financial situati0on as a justification to rob, rape, murder and so on.

One last thing...you notice how the press goes out of their way to not name illegals as illegals when a major crime has been committed, they go out of their way to nationally hide, as best as possible, the fact that shitholes like Chicago have a major black on black crime issue but fall all over themselves to report a white police officer shot a black man.

 

[windriverrange]

Adver, also I'm going to wait until names and facts come out to tie this to BLM. People don't randomly hear of a protest, then decide 6 or 8 hours later to set up an ambush with enfilading fields of fire and shoot 12 people out of maybe 60 rounds, killing 5. My hunch is they are not tied directly to BLM and that was just a cover to try and started a wider scale problem. They have to have had some military training to set up where they did, when they did and do what they did.......who gave them that training will be key.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Sadly, murder in the drug trade isn't news. White cops killing black men drives page views and engagement since everyone has to reinforce their view on what happened and why. Same as missing white girls.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

The cop in Minnesota, did he kill the guy because he was a racist? Was he just a shitty cop? Poorly trained to handle the situation (when a citizen has a carry license)? Panicked? Maybe the deceased actually did more than the girlfriend said (which still doesn't excuse killing him)?

We simply don't know the answers to these questions.

 

[anon_ph7vrsh7abnty]

Adver, also I'm going to wait until names and facts come out to tie this to BLM. People don't randomly hear of a protest, then decide 6 or 8 hours later to set up an ambush with enfilading fields of fire and shoot 12 people out of maybe 60 rounds, killing 5. My hunch is they are not tied directly to BLM and that was just a cover to try and started a wider scale problem. They have to have had some military training to set up where they did, when they did and do what they did.......who gave them that training will be key.

Who gave them that training? Going on a limb here: the US military because black people can be in recon units too.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

FYI, here's the Minnesota cop: http://www.startribune.com/st-anthony-officers-in-shooting-identified/385941491/

His name is Jeronimo Yanez.

 

[OSUDirt]

I edited my post, I'm not sure if it was live or not, but I don't get your point.

You are actually proving my point. What did race have to do with me expressing the fact I saw somebody get gunned down in what I thought was real time? It was quite shocking. But somehow you thought I was more exasperated because the officer was white? I didn't even state his race. Was I dismissing any black death with my statement?

I was just getting at that in your original post you basically said you woudn't care about people getting shot unless they didn't deserve it, but then the guy in Minn gets shot and you didn't say anything. Cops get shot and now you are outraged (as you should be) just wondering why the guy in Minn doesn't count

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

I was just getting at that in your original post you basically said you woudn't care about people getting shot unless they didn't deserve it, but then the guy in Minn gets shot and you didn't say anything. Cops get shot and now you are outraged (as you should be) just wondering why the guy in Minn doesn't count

We don't know for sure what exactly happened in the case of the guy in Minnesota who got killed. It is certainly too bad he was shot and killed. It may, in fact, be criminal on the part of the cop who did it, or negligence on his part.

We do know that, in Dallas, snipers opened fire on cops and killed at least 5. Those cops were there to protect the peace at a rally protesting cops.

 

[CBradSmith]

The extension of respect toward cops as worthy of respect, and the assumption that cops largely are of good and just intent, in some populations, as been utterly demolished.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

We really don't know -- but she does. His family does.

Honest question: If your daughter/wife/loved one was killed by a panicky, violent cop and he wasn't charged, and there's no civil remedy because of qualified immunity ("I thought he was reaching for a gun" is a great defense, btw) what would you do? "Oh well, that's that?"

 

[windriverrange]

dam Adver, did I say black people can't be in US recon units? They have released nothing that I have read on the names of any of the suspects so why would I jump to the conclusion the US Military trained or didn't train them. Maybe the Mexican army trained them, maybe ISIS, maybe the French Foreign Legion.....you prove my point above about people jumping to conclusions before the facts are in.

Last I heard black people can be president also...and not just in the US.

 

[CBradSmith]

We really don't know -- but she does. His family does.

Honest question: If your daughter/wife/loved one was killed by a panicky, violent cop and he wasn't charged, and there's no civil remedy because of qualified immunity ("I thought he was reaching for a gun" is a great defense, btw) what would you do? "Oh well, that's that?"

Honest answer,

I would most likely spend a lot of time wondering where I messed up in communicating that police are to be respected and listened to, that given time and cooperation, if you're not up to no-good, things will work themselves out, and then I'd most likely exercise or drink.

Soul searching, not violence or outrage, is generally the place where solace and self betterment are found.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

We really don't know -- but she does. His family does.

Honest question: If your daughter/wife/loved one was killed by a panicky, violent cop and he wasn't charged, and there's no civil remedy because of qualified immunity ("I thought he was reaching for a gun" is a great defense, btw) what would you do? "Oh well, that's that?"

• Given your set of parameters I'd be very upset. No one is suggesting the victim's family has no right to be upset.
  
• The girlfriend does know what happened (although she doesn't know what was going through the cop's mind), but WE do not know for sure if she is telling the truth.
• I'd be in favor of legislation ending qualified immunity for all government officials and doing away with police unions.

 

[JonnyVito]

Isn't this exercise of the second amendment that it's all about? Having guns to take on oppressive government? That's what they're doing - resisting government, right?

The answer, obviously isn't to restrict guns -- the cops just need MORE guns.

I hope the other cops pull through. For the record, I'm against shooting cops. Or anyone else.

These guys killed one more American then Obama has with his illegal drone army. Both are disgusting and both are not because of the second amendment. Both are OBAMA's f**king fault. He has breed a hatred for cops and finally one of these guys snapped. But please keep avoiding the reasons these shootings happen and keep blaming the guns. Last I checked it is illegal to just kill people maybe I am wrong and that law changed? If you help solve the issues instead of just running around blaming guns so you can get your damn name on a gun bill like he did Obamacare because he is a huge narcosis. HE doesn't care about you or me just the fame he can get from passing a gun bill. WAKE THE HELL UP YOU DONKEY IDIOT SOB. lazy lying liberal @syskatine

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

I'd be in favor of legislation ending qualified immunity for all government officials and doing away with police unions.

Well, now we've agreed on two things on these boards -- that quote, and the Who song you quoted on the non sports board.

"Upset"? So you'd.... be upset? That it?

 

[EvilPOKES]

Isn't this exercise of the second amendment that it's all about? Having guns to take on oppressive government? That's what they're doing - resisting government, right?

The answer, obviously isn't to restrict guns -- the cops just need MORE guns.

I hope the other cops pull through. For the record, I'm against shooting cops. Or anyone else.

Idiot gonna idiot.

 

[anon_ph7vrsh7abnty]

I didn't make a conclusion. I just outlined the simplest explanation based on information available.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Idiot gonna idiot.

You truly are a dumbass.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Honest answer,

I would most likely spend a lot of time wondering where I messed up in communicating that police are to be respected and listened to, that given time and cooperation, if you're not up to no-good, things will work themselves out, and then I'd most likely exercise or drink.

Soul searching, not violence or outrage, is generally the place where solace and self betterment are found.

What a pussy.

 

[CBradSmith]

What a pussy.

Rich. And laughable.

On a sensitive day, I offered a heartfelt response to what was a reasonable question, and I CHOSE not to go after you.

But, again, I've learned.

To be clear, you are (and represent) a major part of the problem. You are a weak link in society and ultimately are a net negative.

Enjoy that knowledge, little man.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

Well, now we've agreed on two things on these boards -- that quote, and the Who song you quoted on the non sports board.

"Upset"? So you'd.... be upset? That it?

Very upset.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Very upset.

If one extreme is Brad, wondering where he went wrong communicating that police are good and respected, etc. and the other extreme is last night, where would you come down on that spectrum?