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Been doing that for ages and very well documented. Lots of info on that if you are interested. Poultry, swine, human proximity and cohabitation has been a driver for a very long time.Its jumping out of birds and into mammals. Being kept quite.
yea the poultry industry hasn't had an issue. If all our food dies do virus's matter?Shouldn’t be a big deal. Sure as hell wasn’t when Odumpster was prez.
so mammals have been passing to each other or like in the past mammals get it from eating an infected bird?Been doing that for ages and very well documented. Lots of info on that if you are interested. Poultry, swine, human proximity and cohabitation has been a driver for a very long time.
Not eating, necessarily (Influenza is not considered foodborne), but yes, they have been mixing them together, along with humans for a very long time.so mammals have been passing to each other or like in the past mammals get it from eating an infected bird?
I will say Thank you for the effort you respond with. InformativeNot eating, necessarily (Influenza is not considered foodborne), but yes, they have been mixing them together, along with humans for a very long time.
Birds (poultry, mostly) have their H (hemaglutanin)(16 types) and N (neuraminidase)(9 types) types, and swine have their H and N types. One cell can be infected with multiple influenzas. Since the genetics are broken up into 8 fragments, the influenzas can mix and match. Sometimes the mix can be highly virulent, sometimes less virulent, sometimes not virulent at all.
For example, if an H1N1 (so called "swine flu" and pandemic flu) virus mixes in a cell with an H2N7 (a low pathogenic flu), you can get: H1N1, H1N7, H2N7, H2N1 influenzas out of it. Not all H1N1 (or in veterinary medicine, H3N8: dog version and horse version) behave the same, especially if mixed with other species.
Asian countries, in general (not just China), tend to be the hotbed since humans, poultry, and swine all live in very close proximity due to farming behaviors. Nothing new or nefarious in that.
If you want more information, there is a lot available on influenza and others due to change in cultural habits. One of the most fascinating for me is Nipah Virus in Malaysia. This would have been in 1999. Again, not nefarious, but a "subtle" change leading to the right environment for the virus to reach human populations.
You bet. I have no issues with the conspiracy theories on COVID. A lot of smart people dropped the ball on communication and other aspects to create the issues. People that have not studied or spent much time thinking about many of these pathogens have no idea how common many of these other infectious diseases pop up. Sometimes they are defeated with interventions, sometimes they "burn themselves out," sometimes it takes a combination. Much of this has gone on for well over 100 years.I will say Thank you for the effort you respond with. Informative
I am more worried about my chickens then myself on the bird fluYou bet. I have no issues with the conspiracy theories on COVID. A lot of smart people dropped the ball on communication and other aspects to create the issues. People that have not studied or spent much time thinking about many of these pathogens have no idea how common many of these other infectious diseases pop up. Sometimes they are defeated with interventions, sometimes they "burn themselves out," sometimes it takes a combination. Much of this has gone on for well over 100 years.
Gotcha. Generally, small flocks/backyard flocks are not at the highest risk for it. Large operations are another story, but even then, this has been a topic since at least 2005 or so. I am taking a wait and see approach.I am more worried about my chickens then myself on the bird flu
I will say I think we hit we hit the mark on the chicken industry and you will see a major event in the industryGotcha. Generally, small flocks/backyard flocks are not at the highest risk for it. Large operations are another story, but even then, this has been a topic since at least 2005 or so. I am taking a wait and see approach.
There may be. It has been on high-alert since 2004-2005 or so. The big poultry people are certainly concerned. Biosecurity efforts are going to be important. Generally, biosecurity has involved human traffic in and out, and preventing animals from getting out. Better efforts have been made over the past few years to reduce outside animal exposures, at least in the poultry industry. Some of the methods, I am cool with, some not so much, but can accept the end goal is to prevent mass depopulation. USDA has done a pretty good job of keeping everybody informed on avian influenza. You are probably aware of this, but here is a link to updates and good info: https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ou...e-information/avian/avian-influenza/2022-hpaiI will say I think we hit we hit the mark on the chicken industry and you will see a major event in the industry
Vito, some more information and if you want to see what has been knocking on our doors for a long time, I suggest you spend time looking back through promed/pubmed just to see the extent that this is not "new" but what has been going on for some time. Here is a link and you can look back several years: https://promedmail.org/I will say I think we hit we hit the mark on the chicken industry and you will see a major event in the industry