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Bernie plagiarized ...

Stalin said it, that settles it, whether you believe it or not.

Didn't Bernie spend his honeymoon in Commie paradise Moscow?

Again, do you believe women should be accorded equal rights with men? Simple yes or no is all that is needed.
 
Again, do you believe women should be accorded equal rights with men? Simple yes or no is all that is needed.
I’ll play. Yes, I believe women should be accorded equal rights with men.

Your turn. Do you believe Bernie’s speech mirrored the communist program under Stalin? Simple yes or no is all that is needed.
 
Wow, you agree with Stalin. You must be a communist!!

See how silly it sounds?



No.

He is mirroring Franklin D. Roosevelt...

You’re obfuscating. The link essentially lays Bernie’s speech side by side with Stalin’s constitution. They’re practically word for word. Ergo Bernie’s speech mirrors Stalin’s Constitution. You would have more credibility if you had simply said “yes.” The feint you’re trying to pull makes you look devious, like your trying to deflect attention away from the truth.
 
You’re obfuscating. The link essentially lays Bernie’s speech side by side with Stalin’s constitution. They’re practically word for word. Ergo Bernie’s speech mirrors Stalin’s Constitution. You would have more credibility if you had simply said “yes.” The feint you’re trying to pull makes you look devious, like your trying to deflect attention away from the truth.

I am not deflecting at all. I am just responding to you and AC's foolishness on this issue. Your fear-mongering.

Sanders told you who he was mirroring if you cared to listen...

"Over 80 years ago, Franklin Delano Roosevelt helped create a government that made transformative progress in protecting the needs of working families. Today, in the second decade of the 21st century, we must take up the unfinished business of the New Deal and carry it to completion. This is the unfinished business of the Democratic Party and the vision we must accomplish."

Unfinished business of the New Deal. FDR.

This really isn't surprising though. Fear-mongers on the right called FDR a socialist and communist too. You are just continuing that tradition.

btw, Gabbard supports the right to a decent job that pays a living wage, quality health care, complete education, affordable housing, a clean environment, a secure retirement, and equal rights. Is she like Stalin? Are you supporting a communist now Ponca?
 
You’re obfuscating. The link essentially lays Bernie’s speech side by side with Stalin’s constitution. They’re practically word for word. Ergo Bernie’s speech mirrors Stalin’s Constitution. You would have more credibility if you had simply said “yes.” The feint you’re trying to pull makes you look devious, like your trying to deflect attention away from the truth.
Nailed it.
 
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I am not deflecting at all. I am just responding to you and AC's foolishness on this issue. Your fear-mongering.


This really isn't surprising though. Fear-mongers on the right called FDR a socialist and communist too. You are just continuing that tradition.

There's no fear mongering....more of your deception.
 
Women will be treated equally in Commie death camps. Bernie's true cruel intentions has no bias.

I'll say this for Ponca, at least he can answer a question and generally engage in a conversation. All you know how to do is yell "communist" liked a crazed person and duck, dodge, and deflect.:D
 
Look at this guy acting like we're living in the 1900s.

I'm not the one claiming everyone is a communist, like fearmongers did in the mid-1900s.

As I posted, AC and his ilk are just continuing on that shameful tradition.
 
I am not deflecting at all. I am just responding to you and AC's foolishness on this issue. Your fear-mongering.

Sanders told you who he was mirroring if you cared to listen...

"Over 80 years ago, Franklin Delano Roosevelt helped create a government that made transformative progress in protecting the needs of working families. Today, in the second decade of the 21st century, we must take up the unfinished business of the New Deal and carry it to completion. This is the unfinished business of the Democratic Party and the vision we must accomplish."

Unfinished business of the New Deal. FDR.

This really isn't surprising though. Fear-mongers on the right called FDR a socialist and communist too. You are just continuing that tradition.

btw, Gabbard supports the right to a decent job that pays a living wage, quality health care, complete education, affordable housing, a clean environment, a secure retirement, and equal rights. Is she like Stalin? Are you supporting a communist now Ponca?

You didn't lose, you just ran out of time is all
 
I thought you'd be a little more authoritarian than that, like, killing off "inferior" subsets of the population.
Stalin didn't kill off "inferior" subsets of the population. He killed off counter revolutionary subsets of the population.
 
Just giving you some historical edification Brad.

I think the problem with Stalin’s ideas is they’re NOT good ideas. Certainly not realistic. Counter to human nature. Incompatible with the concept of free will. So while it’s possible that Stalin, or Mao, or Castro, or Chavez/Madura, or any of the other murderous barbarians that have ruled under the name of socialism or communism began their quest with good intentions, as their ideas proved unworkable they resorted to more authoritarianism, carting people off to gulags or reorientation camps, or slave labor camps, or intentional mass starvation, things like that, which seem to always be the end result of the socialist/communist method.

Bernie has been around the block a time or two. He may have been trying to say he was following FDR, but it is inconceivable he didn’t know he was quoting Stalin’s constitution. Of course he’s not going to admit it.

What do you suppose your team’s reaction would be if a conservative tea party type “innocently” quoted something from the Nazis?

I don’t think Bernie has designs to become America’s Stalin. It’s possible Stalin didn’t set out to become Stalin. Maybe it just worked out that way. I for one am not anxious to give Bernie or his cadre the opportunity to find out
 
I think the problem with Stalin’s ideas is they’re NOT good ideas. Certainly not realistic. Counter to human nature. Incompatible with the concept of free will. So while it’s possible that Stalin, or Mao, or Castro, or Chavez/Madura, or any of the other murderous barbarians that have ruled under the name of socialism or communism began their quest with good intentions, as their ideas proved unworkable they resorted to more authoritarianism, carting people off to gulags or reorientation camps, or slave labor camps, or intentional mass starvation, things like that, which seem to always be the end result of the socialist/communist method.

Bernie has been around the block a time or two. He may have been trying to say he was following FDR, but it is inconceivable he didn’t know he was quoting Stalin’s constitution. Of course he’s not going to admit it.

What do you suppose your team’s reaction would be if a conservative tea party type “innocently” quoted something from the Nazis?

I don’t think Bernie has designs to become America’s Stalin. It’s possible Stalin didn’t set out to become Stalin. Maybe it just worked out that way. I for one am not anxious to give Bernie or his cadre the opportunity to find out
Ponca Dan, Bernie Sanders absolutely did not quote Stalin's constitution.

Here is Bernie Sanders:

In 1944, FDR proposed an economic bill of rights but died a year later and was never able to fulfil that vision. Our job, 75 years later, is to complete what Roosevelt started.

That is why today, I am proposing a 21st Century Economic Bill of Rights.

A Bill of Rights that establishes once and for all that every American, regardless of his or her income in entitled to:
    • The right to a decent job that pays a living wage
    • The right to quality health care
    • The right to a complete education
    • The right to affordable housing
    • The right to a clean environment
    • The right to a secure retirement
Over the course of this election my campaign has been releasing — and will continue to release — detailed proposals addressing each of these yet to be realized economic rights.
Here is the Stalin Constitution:

ARTICLE 118. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to work, that is, are guaranteed the right to employment and payment for their work in accordance With its quantity and quality. The right to work is ensured by the socialist organization of the national economy, the steady growth of the productive forces of Soviet society, the elimination of the possibility of economic crises, and the abolition of unemployment. ARTICLE 119. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to rest and leisure. The right to rest and leisure is ensured by the reduction of the working day to seven hours for the overwhelming majority of the workers, the institution of annual vacations with full pay for workers and employees and the provision of a wide network of sanatoria, rest homes and clubs for the accommodation of the working people. ARTICLE 120. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to maintenance in old age and also in case of sickness or loss of capacity to work. This right is ensured by the extensive development of social insurance of workers and employees at state expense, free medical service for the working people and the provision of a wide network of health resorts for the use of the working people. ARTICLE 121. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to education. This right is ensured by universal, compulsory elementary education; by education, including higher education, being free of charge; by the system of state stipends for the overwhelming majority of students in the universities and colleges; by instruction in schools being conducted in the native language, and by the organization in the factories, state farms, machine and tractor stations and collective farms of free vocational, technical and agronomic training for the working people. Source: Bucknell University 14 ARTICLE 122. Women in the U.S.S.R. are accorded equal rights with men in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life. The possibility of exercising these rights is ensured to women by granting them an equal right with men to work, payment for work, rest and leisure, social insurance and education, and by state protection of the interests of mother and child, prematernity and maternity leave with full pay, and the provision of a wide network of maternity homes, nurseries and kindergartens.
It's not even very close
 
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Ponca Dan, Bernie Sanders absolutely did not quote Stalin's constitution.

Here is Bernie Sanders:

In 1944, FDR proposed an economic bill of rights but died a year later and was never able to fulfil that vision. Our job, 75 years later, is to complete what Roosevelt started.

That is why today, I am proposing a 21st Century Economic Bill of Rights.

A Bill of Rights that establishes once and for all that every American, regardless of his or her income in entitled to:
    • The right to a decent job that pays a living wage
    • The right to quality health care
    • The right to a complete education
    • The right to affordable housing
    • The right to a clean environment
    • The right to a secure retirement
Over the course of this election my campaign has been releasing — and will continue to release — detailed proposals addressing each of these yet to be realized economic rights.
Here is the Stalin Constitution:

ARTICLE 118. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to work, that is, are guaranteed the right to employment and payment for their work in accordance With its quantity and quality. The right to work is ensured by the socialist organization of the national economy, the steady growth of the productive forces of Soviet society, the elimination of the possibility of economic crises, and the abolition of unemployment. ARTICLE 119. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to rest and leisure. The right to rest and leisure is ensured by the reduction of the working day to seven hours for the overwhelming majority of the workers, the institution of annual vacations with full pay for workers and employees and the provision of a wide network of sanatoria, rest homes and clubs for the accommodation of the working people. ARTICLE 120. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to maintenance in old age and also in case of sickness or loss of capacity to work. This right is ensured by the extensive development of social insurance of workers and employees at state expense, free medical service for the working people and the provision of a wide network of health resorts for the use of the working people. ARTICLE 121. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to education. This right is ensured by universal, compulsory elementary education; by education, including higher education, being free of charge; by the system of state stipends for the overwhelming majority of students in the universities and colleges; by instruction in schools being conducted in the native language, and by the organization in the factories, state farms, machine and tractor stations and collective farms of free vocational, technical and agronomic training for the working people. Source: Bucknell University 14 ARTICLE 122. Women in the U.S.S.R. are accorded equal rights with men in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life. The possibility of exercising these rights is ensured to women by granting them an equal right with men to work, payment for work, rest and leisure, social insurance and education, and by state protection of the interests of mother and child, prematernity and maternity leave with full pay, and the provision of a wide network of maternity homes, nurseries and kindergartens.
It's not even very close


Look at this moron trying to be the expert on comparing things. Did Stalin have wrap around sunglasses??
 
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Everyone already has a right to a decent job that pays a living wage, its called working for it.
Quality health care paid for by whom?
What is complete education? Taxpayers already foot the bill through high school.
The right to affordable housing, see the 1st one.
Clean environment, sure, here, yes. But, what about other countries around the world?
Why is a secure retirement a right? Either way, see #1.
 
Everyone already has a right to a decent job that pays a living wage, its called working for it.
Weird that we have involuntarily unemployed people in light of that.
Quality health care paid for by whom?
The state.
What is complete education? Taxpayers already foot the bill through high school.
varies by person
The right to affordable housing, see the 1st one.
Some one should tell the homeless people about their rights.
Why is a secure retirement a right? Either way, see #1.
It isn't a right, these are rights he is proposing.
 


Ponca Dan, Bernie Sanders absolutely did not quote Stalin's constitution.

Here is Bernie Sanders:

In 1944, FDR proposed an economic bill of rights but died a year later and was never able to fulfil that vision. Our job, 75 years later, is to complete what Roosevelt started.

That is why today, I am proposing a 21st Century Economic Bill of Rights.

A Bill of Rights that establishes once and for all that every American, regardless of his or her income in entitled to:
    • The right to a decent job that pays a living wage
    • The right to quality health care
    • The right to a complete education
    • The right to affordable housing
    • The right to a clean environment
    • The right to a secure retirement
Over the course of this election my campaign has been releasing — and will continue to release — detailed proposals addressing each of these yet to be realized economic rights.
Here is the Stalin Constitution:

ARTICLE 118. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to work, that is, are guaranteed the right to employment and payment for their work in accordance With its quantity and quality. The right to work is ensured by the socialist organization of the national economy, the steady growth of the productive forces of Soviet society, the elimination of the possibility of economic crises, and the abolition of unemployment. ARTICLE 119. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to rest and leisure. The right to rest and leisure is ensured by the reduction of the working day to seven hours for the overwhelming majority of the workers, the institution of annual vacations with full pay for workers and employees and the provision of a wide network of sanatoria, rest homes and clubs for the accommodation of the working people. ARTICLE 120. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to maintenance in old age and also in case of sickness or loss of capacity to work. This right is ensured by the extensive development of social insurance of workers and employees at state expense, free medical service for the working people and the provision of a wide network of health resorts for the use of the working people. ARTICLE 121. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to education. This right is ensured by universal, compulsory elementary education; by education, including higher education, being free of charge; by the system of state stipends for the overwhelming majority of students in the universities and colleges; by instruction in schools being conducted in the native language, and by the organization in the factories, state farms, machine and tractor stations and collective farms of free vocational, technical and agronomic training for the working people. Source: Bucknell University 14 ARTICLE 122. Women in the U.S.S.R. are accorded equal rights with men in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life. The possibility of exercising these rights is ensured to women by granting them an equal right with men to work, payment for work, rest and leisure, social insurance and education, and by state protection of the interests of mother and child, prematernity and maternity leave with full pay, and the provision of a wide network of maternity homes, nurseries and kindergartens.
It's not even very close


I agree with Bernie. Unfortunately for him and his campaign, it’s 2019 and we’ve had these rights for more than a couple of hundred years.

But I guess that’s not really his final goal anyway.

 




I agree with Bernie. Unfortunately for him and his campaign, it’s 2019 and we’ve had these rights for more than a couple of hundred years.

But I guess that’s not really his final goal anyway.

I am not sure what the big deal is then.

We just need to tell the unemployed, homeless, and grandmas eating catfood about their rights.
 
I am not sure what the big deal is then.

We just need to tell the unemployed, homeless, and grandmas eating catfood about their rights.
Because you’re not too stupid to understand that his final goal is not to provide those opportunities and rights to everyone in this country.

I kinda like this quote. Because it’s A). It’s true and B). It’ll trigger the F out of a few in here.

“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
 
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Blanket statements that then vary by person are a gimmick...not interested. Call me selfish, but proposed solutions like this hit my pocketbook WAY to much with very little benefit to me.
 
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