Bartlett Post

[cowboyfan05]

I would certainly miss the PSU homerism if that occurred. I need more friends like you on here.

If Chase bans me, I'll have to come terrorize you on your board more often 😈

 

[Pennstate1985]

If Chase bans me, I'll have to come terrorize you on your board more often 😈

In reality, I bet you and I would enjoy talking wrestling over a beer. Most of us would. No need for any angst on any board.

 

[cowboyfan05]

You asked for it. From Roar More on the PSU board. He seems to understand "proof" far more than me. Was a 30 year investigator for the feds. I take that to be FBI:

"Warning, this is long.

After reading the article, this is what I know for sure - it is poorly written and poorly documented. Way too much is innuendo where there should be specifics. There is not enough corroboration where there easily could be some. This is not a she said/he said. So far, it is a shes said. These charges may be true. I guess time will tell. I spent over thirty years as an investigator for the feds. It was civil investigations with a couple of criminal ones tossed in. I spent my later years as a supervisor and trainer. If an investigator brought this to me, I would send them out for more information before taking further action.

Here are my critiques, some picayune, most not. Starting at the beginning of the article and working my way through:

It is the Lorenzo Wrestling Complex, not Center. (I warned you some would be picayune.) Come on. You're supposed to be a journalist. At least get your setting right.

Jane and Ava said they were sixteen or seventeen when they had their contacts with Starocci. Were the ages confirmed? If so, state it. If not, just laziness.

Jane said she was in the sauna with Starocci several times after hours. Times would be nice. (This seems like a chancey thing to do considering that the wrestling team shares at least their weight room with the women's volleyball team.) How about confirming if non-athletes had access to the sauna. How long are security camera files kept?

Was the training partner who Jane said saw her in the sauna interviewed? For that matter, were the wrestlers who were interviewed asked about non-athlete access to the sauna and locker area? Again, lazy writing and investigating. There were three wrestlers interviewed, including Beau, and this allegation was just taken at face value without any apparent corroboration.

Did Starocci's girlfriend tell him that she got her information from Sydney Bartlett? Was she interviewed? Was there even an attempt made to interview her? If the alleged theft was supposedly made in retaliation for the breakup, it would be helpful to know if Starocci knew that Sydney was involved.

Beau said, "They (the coaches) kept asking if I found my stuff but none of them questioned who took it." I think this means that they did not question that Starocci took it, but it could also mean that they never asked who Beau thought took it. More sloppy writing.

The article stated that Beau opened an investigation (more sloppy writing - Beau filed a complaint, the police opened an investigation) on the "lost" items. Were they lost or stolen? Again, sloppy writing. I am assuming Beau said they were stolen because the police did look into the matter.

The writer obtained text messages about the investigation. Whose text messages and how were they obtained? How about hauling you butt a few blocks across campus and attempt to get a copy of the official report.

"Penn State police were unable to contact Starocci over the course of the nearly six month investigation, Beau said." And he knew this how? Readers should not be using their imaginations to fill in banks. The writer depends upon that too much instead of providing supporting documentation.

What do we know about the locker room video other than Starocci was not holding anything in his hands? Was he wearing a backpack? That would be useful information.

"Jacqueline Sheader, a public information officer confirmed UPPS investigated a theft allegation through their criminal investigations unit. Sheader said the investigation was closed on June 4." More sloppy writing. An investigation of what? I assume that the writer meant an investigation into Beau's missing items.

"Everyone who spoke with the Collegian echoed fear in having their names public while speaking about Starocci." I am not asking for names here, but at least tell me how many people we are talking about. We know of five: Jane, Ava, Beau, and two other wrestlers.

“He is intimidating and the things he would do against people who are against him are very concerning and disgusting,” Ava, a Penn State sophomore who requested anonymity, said. More vagueness. How about some examples of the "things."

The locker room pictures are the first thing supported by other testimony. I have no idea as to the motivation of Starocci here so I will not speculate. I have no reason to believe that this complaint is not accurate, although the writer only got confirmation from "Oliver" when "Mark" was also available to confirm.

"In practice, Beau and Oliver said Starocci would constantly grab their genitals and place his fingers into their backsides during practices. Mark also said Starocci became frustrated during a training match and strongly struck his head with his knee." Others have spoken to this. I was not a wrestler so I cannot comment on whether or not such contact is normal during training. I will leave it to others to explain if, given the training partners available, it would be unusual for a 141 pounder to be grappling with a 184. I will say that "place his fingers into their backsides" is rather imprecise. Are we talking about grabbing a butt or delving into Ferrari territory?

"Beau, Oliver and another teammate all told the Collegian that Starocci continued to touch other wrestlers inappropriately in the training room, sometimes in front of Sanderson." Again, leaving things to a reader's imagination is not a good thing.

"They also reported knowledge of rumors of Starocci’s sexual misconduct and inappropriate interactions with minors." First of all, reporting on rumors is not a good look. Secondly, minors? If you report something like that, you damn well better have something more than rumors. As others have said in this thread, sixteen is the age of consent in PA with someone more than four years older.

"Ava said she met Starocci through mutual friends during her freshman year in 2023. She said she was with a group of friends, all ages 16 and 17, while Starocci sent explicit images to them." Explicit images of what? Again, don't leave things to a reader's imagination. This accusation should not be left to speculation.

Okay, no further comment on the article. Something probably happened. I just would need more facts and less inuendo to be convinced.

And speaking of inuendo, I am not surprised that victim shaming has already begun. What else could be behind claiming that Jane and Ava are Only Fans models? They are anonymous. Just because someone on Only Fans, or wherever, has claimed some things about Starocci, that doesn't make them true and that does not mean they are the same people who have come forward in this article.

One more thing, for those stating that the wrestlers would not put up with the allegations about Starocci inappropriately touching them, I suggest you watch the HBO documentary about Ohio State."

Too much to respond to all of it. I disagree that it's poorly done. I posted a screenshot of the reporter answering some of these questions on Twitter about the article above.

It's not an internal police report nor a legal filing. It's a news story. They're not going to list every piece of evidence and every single detail they have. If they get sued for libel (and Carter should definitely sue if he's innocent!), they will produce those things, but they're not going to give a full accounting of every last detail in a story. No news story does that. It's not how journalism works.

I do agree with some of his criticisms, most of which are minor things that would make the writing stronger.

Overall, his post is interesting to get a cop's perspective of an investigation, but if you want a critique of the story as a work of journalism, ask a journalist. Like I mentioned in my previous post, there seems to be a weird confusion among some about the difference between police work and the press. They serve very different purposes.

 

[Pennstate1985]

Too much to respond to all of it. I disagree that it's poorly done. I posted a screenshot of the reporter answering some of these questions on Twitter about the article above.

It's not an internal police report nor a legal filing. It's a news story. They're not going to list every piece of evidence and every single detail they have. If they get sued for libel (and Carter should definitely sue if he's innocent!), they will produce those things, but they're not going to give a full accounting of every last detail in a story. No news story does that. It's not how journalism works.

I do agree with some of his criticisms, most of which are minor things that would make the writing stronger.

Overall, his post is interesting to get a cop's perspective of an investigation, but if you want a critique of the story as a work of journalism, ask a journalist. Like I mentioned in my previous post, there seems to be a weird confusion among some about the difference between police work and the press. They serve very different purposes.

The point of my posting that long post is that there are holes in this story, which is why it isn't getting wider distribution. I concede that some things at the very least may be true, but let's withhold judgment until the truth is exposed.

 

[cowboyfan05]

The point of my posting that long post is that there are holes in this story, which is why it isn't getting wider distribution. I concede that some things at the very least may be true, but let's withhold judgment until the truth is exposed.

I have no problem with someone withholding judgment. If my judgment is wrong then that's on me, but I don't believe it's premature to form an opinion given the information that's been presented.

I find the reporting credible. Most of all, I believe Beau.

 

[DEWrestlingFan]

The point of my posting that long post is that there are holes in this story, which is why it isn't getting wider distribution. I concede that some things at the very least may be true, but let's withhold judgment until the truth is exposed.

Do you believe there are holes in Bartlett's story?

 

[Pennstate1985]

Do you believe there are holes in Bartlett's story?

Yes. Bias is always subject to holes. Not saying he is lying but his viewpoint may not be unbiased. We all have experienced this.

 

[SlickWillie2018]

Yes. Bias is always subject to holes. Not saying he is lying but his viewpoint may not be unbiased. We all have experienced this.

Heh. Sounds like Carter/Beau definitely had a problem with holes.

 

[Pennstate1985]

Heh. Sounds like Carter/Beau definitely had a problem with holes.

Glad I wasn't party to their party 🤣

 

[tom_v31]

In reality, I bet you and I would enjoy talking wrestling over a beer. Most of us would. No need for any angst on any board.

You’re a good nut. I kid but you know your stuff. PSU has hit some hard times but Cael will do whatever it takes to clear this up. some take it too far. None of this should be personal. PSU and OSU indiscretions don’t reflect on us. One time I mentioned I was from Kentucky and a UK fan and I had some idiots on this board attack me up and down on UK and what problems they had with them, like I had any say in the matter. We try to keep that stuff down here. Sorry if you felt attacked.

 

[DPJ]

You’re a good nut. I kid but you know your stuff. PSU has hit some hard times but Cael will do whatever it takes to clear this up. some take it too far. None of this should be personal. PSU and OSU indiscretions don’t reflect on us. One time I mentioned I was from Kentucky and a UK fan and I had some idiots on this board attack me up and down on UK and what problems they had with them, like I had any say in the matter. We try to keep that stuff down here. Sorry if you felt attacked.

Good points Tom. Also Kentucky sucks 😁I kid, I kid.

 

[tom_v31]

Good points Tom. Also Kentucky sucks 😁I kid, I kid.

lol, you could be correct. I haven’t followed them in years. I couldn’t tell you a single thing about them, at all. If it’s not OSU, wrestling and some mma, I don’t have time.

 

[On Tulsa Time]

You’re a good nut. I kid but you know your stuff. PSU has hit some hard times but Cael will do whatever it takes to clear this up. some take it too far. None of this should be personal. PSU and OSU indiscretions don’t reflect on us. One time I mentioned I was from Kentucky and a UK fan and I had some idiots on this board attack me up and down on UK and what problems they had with them, like I had any say in the matter. We try to keep that stuff down here. Sorry if you felt attacked.

UK??? Why??

 

[tom_v31]

UK??? Why??

I’ve repented of my evil past

 

[chasepollard]

I said it's lazy to diminish someone's work simply because they're in college. That's not a personal attack. I stand by what I said. Kick me off if you think that's a bannable offense

Then say it different. There have been a few complaints and the manner in which you approach people’s posts are contradictory and aggressive in nature.

I’ll stand by what I said too. Keep up the dunce act, and I get more complaints and that’s a wrap. And for the record, I just don’t like you!

 

[west2east]

Then say it different. There have been a few complaints and the manner in which you approach people’s posts are contradictory and aggressive in nature.

I’ll stand by what I said too. Keep up the dunce act, and I get more complaints and that’s a wrap. And for the record, I just don’t like you!

Hopefully he can grow on you like I have 🤣🤣🤙

 

[west2east]

You’re a good nut. I kid but you know your stuff. PSU has hit some hard times but Cael will do whatever it takes to clear this up. some take it too far. None of this should be personal. PSU and OSU indiscretions don’t reflect on us. One time I mentioned I was from Kentucky and a UK fan and I had some idiots on this board attack me up and down on UK and what problems they had with them, like I had any say in the matter. We try to keep that stuff down here. Sorry if you felt attacked.

85 is a smart guy. He's no punk. We have had our back and forths but once everyone realizes we are all lunatic wrestling fans and its never personal its called passion🤣. Boys being boys not sure if I can say that in 2025 but here we are 🤣

 

[cowboyfan05]

Then say it different. There have been a few complaints and the manner in which you approach people’s posts are contradictory and aggressive in nature.

I’ll stand by what I said too. Keep up the dunce act, and I get more complaints and that’s a wrap. And for the record, I just don’t like you!

Here is the first way I said it and the second way I said it. What is the major difference in your mind?

1. "But diminishing the reporting because it's done by team of college students is lazy."
2. "I said it's lazy to diminish someone's work simply because they're in college."

After my first post you said I "attacked" you. Where is the attack?

There isn't one. I criticized an action, not you as a person. You however are making it personal, saying you don't like me and saying I act like a dunce. I think you just got your feelings hurt and overreacted.

 

[chasepollard]

Here is the first way I said it and the second way I said it. What is the major difference in your mind?

1. "But diminishing the reporting because it's done by team of college students is lazy."
2. "I said it's lazy to diminish someone's work simply because they're in college."

After my first post you said I "attacked" you. Where is the attack?

There isn't one. I criticized an action, not you as a person. You however are making it personal, saying you don't like me and saying I act like a dunce. I think you just got your feelings hurt and overreacted.

You are seriously obtuse!

Every, not most, not a few but every instance I’ve had with you is bothersome and argumentative in nature. There has been no easy going, constructive conversation. Just arguing….about opinion and you make personal attacks.

Call it what you want?

The other texts I’ve received are similar in nature. You are simply put, GOOOOOOOOOOONE!

 

[Chasingthirty-five]

The other texts I’ve received are similar in nature. You are simply put, GOOOOOOOOOOONE!

No one person should wield such power!

 

[Pennstate1985]

Hopefully he can grow on you like I have 🤣🤣🤙

So that's how Chase got that rash

 

[OSUBigBadBob]

Yes, a college junior. The deal here is that without facts, legit organizations can be sued by CS for libel.

But unlikely to win. Libel is a very hard standard to meet with public figures, and I promise you before they ran that story, they had their facts checked.

 

[OSUBigBadBob]

You asked for it. From Roar More on the PSU board. He seems to understand "proof" far more than me. Was a 30 year investigator for the feds. I take that to be FBI:

"Warning, this is long.

After reading the article, this is what I know for sure - it is poorly written and poorly documented. Way too much is innuendo where there should be specifics. There is not enough corroboration where there easily could be some. This is not a she said/he said. So far, it is a shes said. These charges may be true. I guess time will tell. I spent over thirty years as an investigator for the feds. It was civil investigations with a couple of criminal ones tossed in. I spent my later years as a supervisor and trainer. If an investigator brought this to me, I would send them out for more information before taking further action.

Here are my critiques, some picayune, most not. Starting at the beginning of the article and working my way through:

It is the Lorenzo Wrestling Complex, not Center. (I warned you some would be picayune.) Come on. You're supposed to be a journalist. At least get your setting right.

Jane and Ava said they were sixteen or seventeen when they had their contacts with Starocci. Were the ages confirmed? If so, state it. If not, just laziness.

Jane said she was in the sauna with Starocci several times after hours. Times would be nice. (This seems like a chancey thing to do considering that the wrestling team shares at least their weight room with the women's volleyball team.) How about confirming if non-athletes had access to the sauna. How long are security camera files kept?

Was the training partner who Jane said saw her in the sauna interviewed? For that matter, were the wrestlers who were interviewed asked about non-athlete access to the sauna and locker area? Again, lazy writing and investigating. There were three wrestlers interviewed, including Beau, and this allegation was just taken at face value without any apparent corroboration.

Did Starocci's girlfriend tell him that she got her information from Sydney Bartlett? Was she interviewed? Was there even an attempt made to interview her? If the alleged theft was supposedly made in retaliation for the breakup, it would be helpful to know if Starocci knew that Sydney was involved.

Beau said, "They (the coaches) kept asking if I found my stuff but none of them questioned who took it." I think this means that they did not question that Starocci took it, but it could also mean that they never asked who Beau thought took it. More sloppy writing.

The article stated that Beau opened an investigation (more sloppy writing - Beau filed a complaint, the police opened an investigation) on the "lost" items. Were they lost or stolen? Again, sloppy writing. I am assuming Beau said they were stolen because the police did look into the matter.

The writer obtained text messages about the investigation. Whose text messages and how were they obtained? How about hauling you butt a few blocks across campus and attempt to get a copy of the official report.

"Penn State police were unable to contact Starocci over the course of the nearly six month investigation, Beau said." And he knew this how? Readers should not be using their imaginations to fill in banks. The writer depends upon that too much instead of providing supporting documentation.

What do we know about the locker room video other than Starocci was not holding anything in his hands? Was he wearing a backpack? That would be useful information.

"Jacqueline Sheader, a public information officer confirmed UPPS investigated a theft allegation through their criminal investigations unit. Sheader said the investigation was closed on June 4." More sloppy writing. An investigation of what? I assume that the writer meant an investigation into Beau's missing items.

"Everyone who spoke with the Collegian echoed fear in having their names public while speaking about Starocci." I am not asking for names here, but at least tell me how many people we are talking about. We know of five: Jane, Ava, Beau, and two other wrestlers.

“He is intimidating and the things he would do against people who are against him are very concerning and disgusting,” Ava, a Penn State sophomore who requested anonymity, said. More vagueness. How about some examples of the "things."

The locker room pictures are the first thing supported by other testimony. I have no idea as to the motivation of Starocci here so I will not speculate. I have no reason to believe that this complaint is not accurate, although the writer only got confirmation from "Oliver" when "Mark" was also available to confirm.

"In practice, Beau and Oliver said Starocci would constantly grab their genitals and place his fingers into their backsides during practices. Mark also said Starocci became frustrated during a training match and strongly struck his head with his knee." Others have spoken to this. I was not a wrestler so I cannot comment on whether or not such contact is normal during training. I will leave it to others to explain if, given the training partners available, it would be unusual for a 141 pounder to be grappling with a 184. I will say that "place his fingers into their backsides" is rather imprecise. Are we talking about grabbing a butt or delving into Ferrari territory?

"Beau, Oliver and another teammate all told the Collegian that Starocci continued to touch other wrestlers inappropriately in the training room, sometimes in front of Sanderson." Again, leaving things to a reader's imagination is not a good thing.

"They also reported knowledge of rumors of Starocci’s sexual misconduct and inappropriate interactions with minors." First of all, reporting on rumors is not a good look. Secondly, minors? If you report something like that, you damn well better have something more than rumors. As others have said in this thread, sixteen is the age of consent in PA with someone more than four years older.

"Ava said she met Starocci through mutual friends during her freshman year in 2023. She said she was with a group of friends, all ages 16 and 17, while Starocci sent explicit images to them." Explicit images of what? Again, don't leave things to a reader's imagination. This accusation should not be left to speculation.

Okay, no further comment on the article. Something probably happened. I just would need more facts and less inuendo to be convinced.

And speaking of inuendo, I am not surprised that victim shaming has already begun. What else could be behind claiming that Jane and Ava are Only Fans models? They are anonymous. Just because someone on Only Fans, or wherever, has claimed some things about Starocci, that doesn't make them true and that does not mean they are the same people who have come forward in this article.

One more thing, for those stating that the wrestlers would not put up with the allegations about Starocci inappropriately touching them, I suggest you watch the HBO documentary about Ohio State."

This dude is looking at it through the lens of an investigator in a court case, not for a print newspaper. Standards are completely different.

 

[chasepollard]

No one person should wield such power!

One person? There’s 3 and an owner over here. I’m just more active.

I’m just telling you, it’ll get worse and worse.

 

[chasepollard]

So that's how Chase got that rash

I don’t find him attractive in that manner.

 

[Air_Thurman]

This dude is looking at it through the lens of an investigator in a court case, not for a print newspaper. Standards are completely different.

It is so weird. You literally have Beau Bartlett on the record. You have the victims on the record. That is plenty for a newspaper print story.

 

[Pennstate1985]

This dude is looking at it through the lens of an investigator in a court case, not for a print newspaper. Standards are completely different.

Very true. I posted that person's opinion because that is what an investigator needs to address in order for this to become a crime. All we have now is conjecture from an article. A ton of dots need to be connected before this becomes real. I am sure some of it is real but what those are is a ways off.

 

[Pennstate1985]

I don’t find him attractive in that manner.

I meant like poison ivy

 

[oklahomaglory]

"Everything that I spoke about in article was reported to coach as it happened" - Sounds like lack of institutional control to me.

 

[Pennstate1985]

"Everything that I spoke about in article was reported to coach as it happened" - Sounds like lack of institutional control to me.

Or, the issues were handled appropriately, but not to Beau's satisfaction.

I know you aren't going to like this, but even when I take off my blue and white glasses, this is starting to look more and more like a media assassination attempt because the original complaints didn't pan out. Now the double down in the media because the story isn't getting traction. Everyone needs to ask themselves why Beau is so outspoken now that he is gone. It's starting to come across as vindictive to me. I'm no fan of Carter. He's probably an enormous a-hole, but this is starting to smell.

 

[DEWrestlingFan]

Yes. Bias is always subject to holes. Not saying he is lying but his viewpoint may not be unbiased. We all have experienced this.

I am not sure what you mean by his viewpoint is biased? He said that Starocci stuck his finger in his ass and took pictures of him and other members on the team and posted them to a group chat.

 

[Pennstate1985]

I am not sure what you mean by his viewpoint is biased? He said that Starocci stuck his finger in his ass and took pictures of him and other members on the team and posted them to a group chat.

Exactly!!! He is out to get Carter for humiliating him and seemingly going unpunished. I get it. That's bias though. The SA and pics to underage girls is rumor and innuendo. Nothing ever reported. Ever. He is trying to get his pound of flesh in the media.