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This won't move the needle for any parents. The kids heading that way are going because they feel it's the best place to achieve the dreams they've had. All the titles and medals aren't gonna stop them over this .

Also ask around about how things have been handled around Stillwater in the past. You know I gotta POKE you Chase 🤣
It may not, but situationally, it could hurt. I have 3 kids, and I want them all at the same school. It would cause pause for thought if I were worried the staff I was sending my kids to were enabling certain behaviors in their team.

Haha, I'll ask around. But I already know there needed to be a fulltime position created for knucklehead patrol with preemptive capabilities.
 
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This is a bad look for Penn. St wrestling and Cael Sanderson. It fits with my picture of Cael doing most anything to win. He let some of his wrestlers down and some students male and female down to protect a wrestler that was a real problem. This is based on what I have read on this thread. Now after his eligibility is gone, he can't be a member of the RTC.
 
Yeah, but 1) are they PSU campus police or real police? and 2) Im fairly certain they arent sending the detectives to do the guarding of the teams. No way they are getting involved, they need the coach/team to like them in that role. I think we all agree that itis more than likely that wrestling staff, and maybe Cael, did not go out of their way to allow him to be interviewed and potentially actively discouraged it.
Campus police the same ones who were investigating the theft
 
It may not, but situationally, it could hurt. I have 3 kids, and I want them all at the same school. It would cause pause for thought if I were worried the staff I was sending my kids to were enabling certain behaviors in their team.

Haha, I'll ask around. But I already know there needed to be a fulltime position created for knucklehead patrol with preemptive capabilities.
Well we already know where they are going why haven't they announced yet 🤣
 
Campus police the same ones who were investigating the theft
If it was be campus rent a cops investigating the theft and everything, doesn’t it make sense for them to delay and defer until CS had graduated and was beyond their jurisdiction? Guilty or not, why deal with the hassle if you’re able to fart around for a few months and wait it out?
 
If it was be campus rent a cops investigating the theft and everything, doesn’t it make sense for them to delay and defer until CS had graduated and was beyond their jurisdiction? Guilty or not, why deal with the hassle if you’re able to fart around for a few months and wait it out?
They have jurisdiction over the location of the crime, not that they were students.
 
If it was be campus rent a cops investigating the theft and everything, doesn’t it make sense for them to delay and defer until CS had graduated and was beyond their jurisdiction? Guilty or not, why deal with the hassle if you’re able to fart around for a few months and wait it out?
All questions that the police should answer. Jurisdiction is where the crime occurred
 
No offense to the Penn St fans on this board because most have all seemed really cool! With that said, there’s not a snowball’s chance in hell that I am making sure that Bo Bassett and his parents are 💯 aware of this situation!

That’s prolly a shitty thing to do, but what recruiting battle doesn’t get a little dirty! The fact that a news service has published these “alleged” actions, it feels more real than spreading bullshit rumors…

Just my opinion
I don’t see this having any ripple effect on recruiting.
 
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Yeah, I’m no lawyer, but isn’t it illegal to ignore requests for talking to the police? Did they send certified mail requests? Or did they really try?

This part looks pretty bad to me.
The police can detain someone for so long and attempt to speak with them. I am not sure what the time limit is for detainment before you have to charge them or release them, but at no point do you ever have to answer any questions that they ask when it comes to a crime. You do however have to identify yourself to them with ID or by providing the officers with your real name and DOB.
 
If it was be campus rent a cops investigating the theft and everything, doesn’t it make sense for them to delay and defer until CS had graduated and was beyond their jurisdiction? Guilty or not, why deal with the hassle if you’re able to fart around for a few months and wait it out?
Most University Police Departments go through the same training academy as State Troopers and will partner with the State Police on investigations. They are legit officers.
 
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The police can detain someone for so long and attempt to speak with them. I am not sure what the time limit is for detainment before you have to charge them or release them, but at no point do you ever have to answer any questions that they ask when it comes to a crime. You do however have to identify yourself to them with ID or by providing the officers with your real name and DOB.
I’m not sure he was ever even spoken to.
 
Most University Police Departments go through the same training academy as State Troopers and will partner with the State Police on investigations. They are legit officers.
Yes but still not the same…not rent a cops, but not serious investigators either, at least in Oklahoma. Mostly MIP and PI and the occasional SA case
 
The police can detain someone for so long and attempt to speak with them. I am not sure what the time limit is for detainment before you have to charge them or release them, but at no point do you ever have to answer any questions that they ask when it comes to a crime. You do however have to identify yourself to them with ID or by providing the officers with your real name and DOB.
Can only detain if they have reasonable suspicion. Not really reasonable suspicion here. And if the suspect tells them to kick rocks they either have to arrest or cut them.

Also, depending on the state you may not have to ID yourself unless you are being arrested (or driving) Oklahoma you don’t, however if you don’t you might be arrested because cops are idiots. I’ve gotten a half dozen cases dismissed in such circumstances, but there are never any repurcussions because no one cares and bullshit qualified immunity.
 
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Have you read the campus news article?
Right after NCAAs, when we had a windfall of pub, due to having a very good championships, etc. PSU didn’t get the pub, as much as I would have expected them to get for breaking all NCAA records. Do you remember all the commitments from elite level athletes they got (it seemed like a lot) soon after? I realized then that top recruits are prioritizing guaranteed championships(which PSU has a very good chance to provide) over anything else.
If this kind of fracturing continues, it will eventually have an effect on their program, but these one-offs won’t make much of a difference.
 
Right after NCAAs, when we had a windfall of pub, due to having a very good championships, etc. PSU didn’t get the pub, as much as I would have expected them to get for breaking all NCAA records. Do you remember all the commitments from elite level athletes they got (it seemed like a lot) soon after? I realized then that top recruits are prioritizing guaranteed championships(which PSU has a very good chance to provide) over anything else.
If this kind of fracturing continues, it will eventually have an effect on their program, but these one-offs won’t make much of a difference.
This is what I want good discussion about. @Pennstate1985 is a good dude and if the gloves were on, he might have a good discussion?

We are part of war that’s unseen and unknown. Some as witnesses and some as participants.

There is a ton of gamesmanship going on and more smoke and mirrors.

There are a few PSU guys here, but a common dialogue regarding this stuff may be hard? Mcsorley is great, kjb is great…it would be great if everyone could behave. Even @west2east would have some input as an Iowa guy.
 
This is what I want good discussion about. @Pennstate1985 is a good dude and if the gloves were on, he might have a good discussion?

We are part of war that’s unseen and unknown. Some as witnesses and some as participants.

There is a ton of gamesmanship going on and more smoke and mirrors.

There are a few PSU guys here, but a common dialogue regarding this stuff may be hard? Mcsorley is great, kjb is great…it would be great if everyone could behave. Even @west2east would have some input as an Iowa guy.
Did I miss something?
 
My personal opinion is that for the first time since Cael took over, the Penn St machine might have their first chink in their Armor and it has nothing to do with their ability to wrestle or be coached.

It may not matter to many or most, but then again, it could. What I am 💯 sure of is that things “allegedly” like this could have a larger impact on their program than coming in 3rd place behind OSU and Iowa.

To believe that this will have no effect or barring and won’t be used against Cael and his program, is being naive, at best!

I’m not saying they will go from the top floor Penthouse on the highest dollar street in the highest dollar state to sleeping on the street trying to find an Outhouse to use the bathroom in, but it will have some level of effect. Especially if it turns out that Cael knew about the stuff and covered it up, didn’t report it or gave preferential treatment to a Star Wrestler that he wouldn’t have done for a 3rd string nobody.

If your kid had a chance to wrestle anywhere in the USA and everything was equal, in the families mind and this broke, you don’t think that would give you reason to pause on signing with PS when Iowa and OSU and others are great options?
 
This is what I want good discussion about. @Pennstate1985 is a good dude and if the gloves were on, he might have a good discussion?

We are part of war that’s unseen and unknown. Some as witnesses and some as participants.

There is a ton of gamesmanship going on and more smoke and mirrors.

There are a few PSU guys here, but a common dialogue regarding this stuff may be hard? Mcsorley is great, kjb is great…it would be great if everyone could behave. Even @west2east would have some input as an Iowa guy.

I really don't think there's enough info yet to have an intelligent discussion. The article created more questions than answered in my opinion. We're still in people's reflexive reacting stage based on their own personal biases.
 
And a smidge of PSU’s history, that can’t be white washed.

And that leads to a bias for a lot of people. Because Penn State was guilty then of a cover up, they must be guilty now. I'm of the thought that because of Penn State's past it would be extremely surprising that Cael would be stupid enough to try to cover up the knowledge of serious crimes.
 
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I could not see Cael covering up this. Of course there will be programs using this against PSU, but there is always idiots in every program, PSU is not exempt from this fact. It would not dissuade me from attending a program I wanted to attend, unless it was generalized and chronic. Now, if Cael knew about it and covered up, this problem could get a lot bigger.
 
Let me know if I missed it, but I have not seen any coverage of this on Flo or Intermat. Has anyone else, if not is anyone surprised?
A good portion of the Flo guys are massive Penn state homers. They wouldn’t touch this with a ten foot pole. Some of them are lashing out at other fan bases for even asking to analyze it.
 
There are no charges. It’s an article in a college newspaper, written by a student most likely.

It’s irresponsible to paint this picture in big media until more facts are found.

The claims can actually ruin a life and that’s not really acceptable unless 100% other lives were hurt. And just so it’s known my stance on Stardiddy, he is a punk and a bully. I’ve heard for years that he’s a massive POS!
 
In their defense they didn’t really publicly address Gable or AJ’s sexual misconduct allegations. They also didn’t dive into the drug dealing that cost JRob his job. Or when Sam Stoll and Vince Turk were involved in that shooting in Iowa. Or when Echemendia had charges of DV filed by his wife in Columbus. Traditionally they have taken the high road when these things occur and let the process play out in court.
 
There are no charges. It’s an article in a college newspaper, written by a student most likely.

It’s irresponsible to paint this picture in big media until more facts are found.

The claims can actually ruin a life and that’s not really acceptable unless 100% other lives were hurt. And just so it’s known my stance on Stardiddy, he is a punk and a bully. I’ve heard for years that he’s a massive POS!
Yes, a college junior. The deal here is that without facts, legit organizations can be sued by CS for libel.
 
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I have been around for 30 years and I don't ever remember a wrestling media company writing an article about anything until charges are filed. Long, Gable and AJ all those were released after charges were filed . I know it's easy to blame and say the media is picking sides but it's being handled now like it has in the past.
People gotta understand they don't do investigative journalism.
 
There are no charges. It’s an article in a college newspaper, written by a student most likely.

It’s irresponsible to paint this picture in big media until more facts are found.

The claims can actually ruin a life and that’s not really acceptable unless 100% other lives were hurt. And just so it’s known my stance on Stardiddy, he is a punk and a bully. I’ve heard for years that he’s a massive POS!
If you see flaws in the reporting then by all means point them out. But diminishing the reporting because it's done by team of college students is lazy
 
If you see flaws in the reporting then by all means point them out. But diminishing the reporting because it's done by team of college students is lazy
Okay, the writer needs to follow this up and get some more facts.

Make contact attempts with all parties involved and conduct an interview. Get every side of the story possible. Call the police and interview them. List the people that refused to comment.

Once that’s been done, and it’s known that actual provable crimes have been committed and police can then do their job, the writer has done theirs.

And you know how else I’m lazy? It’s too much work taking attacks from you. You keep it up and you won’t be posting here.
 
Okay, the writer needs to follow this up and get some more facts.

Make contact attempts with all parties involved and conduct an interview. Get every side of the story possible. Call the police and interview them. List the people that refused to comment.

Once that’s been done, and it’s known that actual provable crimes have been committed and police can then do their job, the writer has done theirs.

And you know how else I’m lazy? It’s too much work taking attacks from you. You keep it up and you won’t be posting here.
I said it's lazy to diminish someone's work simply because they're in college. That's not a personal attack. I stand by what I said. Kick me off if you think that's a bannable offense
 
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Okay, the writer needs to follow this up and get some more facts. Make contact attempts with all parties involved and conduct an interview. Get every side of the story possible. Call the police and interview them. List the people that refused to comment.

He did talk to the police (they were quoted in the article).

He did attempt to speak to all sides, though I agree that could have been made more clear within the article.

Once that’s been done, and it’s known that actual provable crimes have been committed and police can then do their job, the writer has done theirs.

I'm not sure if you're implying that reporters should stay quiet until there are police reports, but I have seen that sentiment from several people in response to this story. It's a ridiculous notion. Again, not sure that's what you're getting at, but wanted to address it.

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If you see flaws in the reporting then by all means point them out. But diminishing the reporting because it's done by team of college students is lazy
You asked for it. From Roar More on the PSU board. He seems to understand "proof" far more than me. Was a 30 year investigator for the feds. I take that to be FBI:

"Warning, this is long.

After reading the article, this is what I know for sure - it is poorly written and poorly documented. Way too much is innuendo where there should be specifics. There is not enough corroboration where there easily could be some. This is not a she said/he said. So far, it is a shes said. These charges may be true. I guess time will tell. I spent over thirty years as an investigator for the feds. It was civil investigations with a couple of criminal ones tossed in. I spent my later years as a supervisor and trainer. If an investigator brought this to me, I would send them out for more information before taking further action.

Here are my critiques, some picayune, most not. Starting at the beginning of the article and working my way through:

It is the Lorenzo Wrestling Complex, not Center. (I warned you some would be picayune.) Come on. You're supposed to be a journalist. At least get your setting right.

Jane and Ava said they were sixteen or seventeen when they had their contacts with Starocci. Were the ages confirmed? If so, state it. If not, just laziness.

Jane said she was in the sauna with Starocci several times after hours. Times would be nice. (This seems like a chancey thing to do considering that the wrestling team shares at least their weight room with the women's volleyball team.) How about confirming if non-athletes had access to the sauna. How long are security camera files kept?

Was the training partner who Jane said saw her in the sauna interviewed? For that matter, were the wrestlers who were interviewed asked about non-athlete access to the sauna and locker area? Again, lazy writing and investigating. There were three wrestlers interviewed, including Beau, and this allegation was just taken at face value without any apparent corroboration.

Did Starocci's girlfriend tell him that she got her information from Sydney Bartlett? Was she interviewed? Was there even an attempt made to interview her? If the alleged theft was supposedly made in retaliation for the breakup, it would be helpful to know if Starocci knew that Sydney was involved.

Beau said, "They (the coaches) kept asking if I found my stuff but none of them questioned who took it." I think this means that they did not question that Starocci took it, but it could also mean that they never asked who Beau thought took it. More sloppy writing.

The article stated that Beau opened an investigation (more sloppy writing - Beau filed a complaint, the police opened an investigation) on the "lost" items. Were they lost or stolen? Again, sloppy writing. I am assuming Beau said they were stolen because the police did look into the matter.

The writer obtained text messages about the investigation. Whose text messages and how were they obtained? How about hauling you butt a few blocks across campus and attempt to get a copy of the official report.

"Penn State police were unable to contact Starocci over the course of the nearly six month investigation, Beau said." And he knew this how? Readers should not be using their imaginations to fill in banks. The writer depends upon that too much instead of providing supporting documentation.

What do we know about the locker room video other than Starocci was not holding anything in his hands? Was he wearing a backpack? That would be useful information.

"Jacqueline Sheader, a public information officer confirmed UPPS investigated a theft allegation through their criminal investigations unit. Sheader said the investigation was closed on June 4." More sloppy writing. An investigation of what? I assume that the writer meant an investigation into Beau's missing items.

"Everyone who spoke with the Collegian echoed fear in having their names public while speaking about Starocci." I am not asking for names here, but at least tell me how many people we are talking about. We know of five: Jane, Ava, Beau, and two other wrestlers.

“He is intimidating and the things he would do against people who are against him are very concerning and disgusting,” Ava, a Penn State sophomore who requested anonymity, said. More vagueness. How about some examples of the "things."

The locker room pictures are the first thing supported by other testimony. I have no idea as to the motivation of Starocci here so I will not speculate. I have no reason to believe that this complaint is not accurate, although the writer only got confirmation from "Oliver" when "Mark" was also available to confirm.

"In practice, Beau and Oliver said Starocci would constantly grab their genitals and place his fingers into their backsides during practices. Mark also said Starocci became frustrated during a training match and strongly struck his head with his knee." Others have spoken to this. I was not a wrestler so I cannot comment on whether or not such contact is normal during training. I will leave it to others to explain if, given the training partners available, it would be unusual for a 141 pounder to be grappling with a 184. I will say that "place his fingers into their backsides" is rather imprecise. Are we talking about grabbing a butt or delving into Ferrari territory?

"Beau, Oliver and another teammate all told the Collegian that Starocci continued to touch other wrestlers inappropriately in the training room, sometimes in front of Sanderson." Again, leaving things to a reader's imagination is not a good thing.

"They also reported knowledge of rumors of Starocci’s sexual misconduct and inappropriate interactions with minors." First of all, reporting on rumors is not a good look. Secondly, minors? If you report something like that, you damn well better have something more than rumors. As others have said in this thread, sixteen is the age of consent in PA with someone more than four years older.

"Ava said she met Starocci through mutual friends during her freshman year in 2023. She said she was with a group of friends, all ages 16 and 17, while Starocci sent explicit images to them." Explicit images of what? Again, don't leave things to a reader's imagination. This accusation should not be left to speculation.

Okay, no further comment on the article. Something probably happened. I just would need more facts and less inuendo to be convinced.

And speaking of inuendo, I am not surprised that victim shaming has already begun. What else could be behind claiming that Jane and Ava are Only Fans models? They are anonymous. Just because someone on Only Fans, or wherever, has claimed some things about Starocci, that doesn't make them true and that does not mean they are the same people who have come forward in this article.

One more thing, for those stating that the wrestlers would not put up with the allegations about Starocci inappropriately touching them, I suggest you watch the HBO documentary about Ohio State."
 
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I said it's lazy to diminish someone's work simply because they're in college. That's not a personal attack. I stand by what I said. Kick me off if you think that's a bannable offense
I would certainly miss your PSU homerism if that occurred. I need more friends like you on here.
 
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