I believe Brnads and Smith are very clean and honest and would not do anything that is shady. I am still not sure what Cael is doing that is shady, but they do have a ton of money over there and they have options on how to use it. I hope he is clean, but I do not know. That being said, I won't accuse him of anything vague. If I had info of a specific situation, I might be willing to share, but all I hear is rumors and not reliable rumors at that.
Austin Boone (PSU) transferring to OSU
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At worst what PSU is doing is in the grey area, but these things would probably not fly in football or basketball. OK State damn near go the death penalty from what started out as paying for repairs of a kids pick-up truck going to an open tournament, but covering it up made it so much worse.
Interesting question, but I'm thinking no.
Remember a couple of years ago the RTC topic blew up at the coaches' conference (when Bono called them the "wild wild west")? One outcome of that was USAW finally implemented rules. It is now explicitly against the rules for RTCs to pay current student athletes. The only thing they can cover is travel & competition expenses.
Before that change the rumors were certain RTCs were paying the college guys. David Mirikitani said the rumors included guys getting $1,500/day for camps and getting their college room & board paid for. Technically that stuff is no longer allowed.
I can guarantee he isn’t doing anything illegal. These guys are competitors who want to win. Utilizing all your resources to win isn’t illegal, it may hurt wrestling for ages and crush all other programs, but it isn’t illegal. Cael has a a laser focus on one thing and one thing alone.
The RTC setup you are seeing at a few places is illegal in the eyes of the NCAA. Now the NCAA so far has chosen either not to care or are to busy and short handed to do anything about it.
If Duke or UNC setup a professional basketball team and training organization that aligned with their amateur program and athletes where it offered former athletes money, tuition reimbursement, and housing the NCAA would shut it down before it got going.
I cannot find the article on the scholarship allotments for the 9.9 for each school. But I do remember 1 thing that jumped out is of all the schools listed PSU had only 14 or so wrestlers using the 9.9. With 30+ wrestlers on the team. This seems like a major red flag to me as to how they can get all these top tier guys and are only giving 30% of them scholarship money.
That was from themat. I remember seeing posts from Penn State fans saying the starters take less $ and the backups take less $, but everyone gets something. Apparently not. Mizzou had 37 guys getting aid.
Scholarship Amounts
This website has collected some of the financial reports schools are required to file, and scholarship info is included.https://www.extrapointsmb.com/foia-directory/ Here are the scholarship amounts listed for the schools with wrestling. Youll see some are above 9.9 for what must be some sort of ...
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Guess I was wrong about RTCs not being allowed to sponsor college guys under NIL. Saw that Yianni signed with Spartan. Back to the wild wild west.
You are "pretty sure" correct?
That "gurantee" doesn't mean much. There are plenty of folks who know what's been going on but no one wants to tarnish another program or have the NCAA start digging into wrestling. Regarding Brands, I could give you a wrestlers name and date, but I won't. Brands was not happy that Cael took what he'd been doing to a higher level. The delima is when you've been cheating (breaking, bending the rules, whatever you want to call it, its still the same) and someone comes along and does it better/higher level then what do you do? Look at Iowa and you can probably figure out their chosen option.
Yep, those that have been gaming the system (cheating) now have 3rd/4th method and given NCAA had no interest in enforcement against the current 2-3 methods there's no way they will be able to keep up with this new one. Its now the 'wild wild wild west.' Follow the money.
Wild, Wild, Wild West - Maybe and maybe not.
Sure the superstars will get money, but the non starters will not. I think teams will lose a lot of depth. A guy can go to Kent State and get some NIL money if he is an AA. Sure, he won't get as much if he was at PSU or Iowa, but he also may not start at PSU or Iowa. Suddenly being the best you can be and being a part of a "winning" program will have to compete with getting NIL money at a smaller school.
I see it being a lot like the RTCs who sponsor kids. The big names get more and the little names go somewhere smaller, follow their dreams, and get paid less. And then you will just have guys doing it for the love of the sport and getting no money.
Hey, if you can give us a name and date, that would be great. It’s not like we are on national tv.You are "pretty sure" correct?
If someone is dominant, they must be cheating. In some people’s eyes, it’s a 1 to 1 ratio.
Impressive analytics. And @lookleft goright you should know better.
And to all the real OSU fans, I'm thrilled that John Smith is doing the broadcast! Go USA!
I have been thinking about that statement and I guess now the rules have changed and there will no longer be any cheating, because everything is legal now. We are going to have to change the way we look at things. It may not be moral or ethical or desirable, but it will be legal and it will not be cheating.
For example - if a coach tells a kid that he has to walk on but a donor says he will pay the kid 20K a year for the first 2 years to come to the school - that is now legal, correct? Am I missing something?
That definitely was not the purpose of college sports when it began but it is now legal. Correct? My how far we have fallen......
It is still very early and the expectation is there will be more rules put in place to prevent “pay for play” or direct booster payments for performance or for recruiting enticement but it’s not super clear right now. Below is from an article on the NIL….
Can athletes enter into NIL agreements with boosters?
The NCAA does not have any rules that restrict boosters from paying athletes as long as those payments are not directly for their athletic performance or an inducement for recruiting purposes. Some new state laws address booster involvement in different ways, and some might need further interpretation before it's clear how involved boosters can be in paying athletes in those states.
One of the loopholes was guys getting summer camp $. According to NCAA rules, the payment amount needed to be "commensurate with the going rate", a vague statement left up to each compliance department. Some schools allowed more than others.
But people figured out how to get around those $ limits anyway. Ben Askren blurted out on FRL that he has paid college guys in cash to work his camps. Also said he was paid in cash himself while in college. And the Trackwrestling guys said they heard RTC boosters were paying college wrestlers with casino chips.
No need for that stuff now with the NIL.
But people figured out how to get around those $ limits anyway. Ben Askren blurted out on FRL that he has paid college guys in cash to work his camps. Also said he was paid in cash himself while in college. And the Trackwrestling guys said they heard RTC boosters were paying college wrestlers with casino chips.
No need for that stuff now with the NIL.
Casino chips would work if you go directly to the cage and cash them out then leave.
I saw where Derek White has left the Cowboys and will train at Michigan with Alex also there( Cliff Keen). Also Penn. St club looks like the place to go if you want to win an NCAA team, individual title or be an Olympian wrestler or medalist. The Cowboy wrestling club about now must be current Cowboy wrestlers or coaches and Daton's dad.
