Are you ready for President Pence???
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I don't understand why all Republicans aren't calling for a President Pence. I don't support Pence's policy positions, but one has to wonder why Republicans and conservatives continue to back Trump when they have Pence waiting backstage.
Of course, one also has to wonder what Pence knew and when he knew it about Russia. But Pence seems to have done a good job of shielding himself from the Russia scandal to date.
Said it once, I'll say it again. The lefties heads would explode if pence became president. You wackos better hope trump hangs around.
Then why did you disingenuously ask why "all Republicans aren't calling for President Pence"? Pence is pretty standard GOP fare and the media would have a field day with him/effectively neuter his presidency within the 1st month.
No, Trump is unstable (among the many other problems he has). I don't like Pence's policy positions, be he appears to be stable. I think most of our allies around the world would breathe a side of relief if Trump resigned and Pence took office.
And Trump's presidency hasn't been neutered? The media is having a field day with Trump right now. It is amateur hour at the White House.
Tell me, what major legislative accomplishment is Trump responsible for? What accomplishments does Trump have to point to that a President Pence couldn't have accomplished?
Yes, liberals would oppose Pence's agenda. However, Pence has experience with how Congress works. He knows how to get legislation through Congress. I would think Republicans would embrace that. I would think Republicans would actually like to focus on their agenda instead of the constant mess Trump leads them into.
But hey, if you guys want to stick with Trump and go down with the ship, go right ahead. It only helps Democrats come 2018 and 2020.
I disagree on 2018 and possibly 2020. Dems have no message. The recent special elections should have made that clear.
Neil Gorsuch and whoever takes over for RBG and Kennedy in the next year. You can pretend you've got a roadblock established if it helps you sleep at night; but it's all that really matters
I already commented on those special elections in safe Republican districts where the Republican candidate barely won. How in the world is going from 61% support to 51% support in a safe Republican district in a seven month span a good sign for Republicans?
And Democrats are going to have a message come 2018 and 2020. Not to mention that they will be running against a highly unpopular President.
I would be very surprised if Ginsburg resigns before the 2018 midterms or, depending on the results of that election, before 2020.
Kennedy on the other hand is more of a wild card since he was appointed by a Republican.
RBG is mentally unfit to serve any longer. She'll be gone soon
Why is it that liberals are so worried about Trump? If he is soooo bad why not sit back and let him destroy the presidency and the Republican Party? Just sit back, grab a martini pool side and watch the whole lot slowly sink below the waves.
GL the dog piling on him and family is going to continue to backfire, so please do keep it up.
GL the dog piling on him and family is going to continue to backfire, so please do keep it up.
What do you think we are doing?
We just don't want to see him bring down the country in the process.Like I posted above, if you guys want to stick with Trump, go right ahead.
did you read about the tantrum your candidate threw on election night?
did you read about your phone hammering candidate?
and trumps "unstable" lol that's funny as funny can be
trump trolls you idiots
he laughs at your vagina hats,
gender neutral bathrooms and fake news
this is exactly what i've been saying repubs should do with obamatard care
let the premiums increase another 50% this october see what folks say then
What do you think we are doing?
Like I posted above, if you guys want to stick with Trump, go right ahead.
oh so you folks are fighting for america?
against the candidate who ran on maga?
how did this guy get elected after you folks spent 8 years saving america?
by your calculus hildecankles should have won in a landslide
We are fighting for the policies we believe in. And just because Trump had a slogan doesn't mean that is what his policies would accomplish.
Because he ran against a highly flawed Democratic candidate and was very successful at appealing to certain political strains within the United States.
Even then, he still didn't win the people's vote. He got elected in the electoral college though.
Nope. Unless Hillary and DNC leadership are going to jail for collusion with Ukraine. The Trump Dossier came from the Ukraine. The DNC actively colluded with a foreign government to influence the election.
You're a Bernie supporter...STFU and go back to your hole. Your fearless leader got pimp slapped into the Clinton company line long ago.
At the end of the day, when it's the end of the day, and we all know it's the end of the day, there isn't a vagina hat big enough for ol' Bern. He rolled over, spread 'em and took it from the DNC like a ("insert" favorite city) whore.
we are playing with casino money...trump has done his job by keeping hillary out of the way. It's all gravy now baby!
Sanders did the politically smart thing both for himself and the progressive movement going forward. If Sanders had walked out of the convention and ran as a third party candidate, he would have been blamed for Clinton's loss. That is who the Clintons and Democrats would have blamed.
Instead, he is now the most popular politician in America, has a powerful voice within the Democratic Party, is moving the party more in his direction on policy issues (e.g. Medicare For All), and has the potential to exert an even stronger influence come 2018 and 2020. Instead of being blamed for Clinton's loss and losing influence in the Democratic Party, his influence is growing.
He will not get elected, way too socialistic. We already have 220 trillion in debt, we can not afford to give everything away, although some in the US right now want handouts and want to be taken care of from cradle to grave by the government and do not understand why their liberal arts degree that they went in to debt for is worth nothing but they were at least brainwashed on who to vote for and how to think.
He may also be tainted by his wife's scandal as well. If Bern is the best the Dems have, they are in big trouble.
Dems would kill it running a true liberal moderate, would just kill it, but they are doubling down on identity politics and huge handouts.
Matter of fact, either party would do really well running a moderate candidate that was not old enough to be your grandpa, that had a vision and could communicate that vision with an action plan.
And that message is what? Not Trump again? More diaper eating cry baby shit nobody but the people who live in their parent's basement and destroy Starbucks buy into? The ship has sailed on the but but but victim class bullshit. Trump's win speaks volumes to that.
Yep. Check out who is defending what. LOL.
Obama says hello. "I'm usually the smartest guy in the room (while arming obvious terrorists and having a legacy of bathrooms and Obamacare)."
Yep. That must be it. The multi house having R8 driving bank frauding Sanders is legit. In 2020. After taking it in the butt from the DNC. He's the one. Gonna be the next runner up!
When your opponents go from spending $0 and having no web presence or social media presence to spending raising 10s of millions dollars and actually actively campaigning. I think most reasonable observers can determine why the vote narrowed. But hey, the dems need a moral victory.
Being socialistic isn't what will keep him from being elected. More and more Americans embrace socialistic principles and benefit from socialistic programs. Plus, more Americans are supporting proposals such as Medicare For All.
There are other factors though that may keep him from being elected (i.e. his age, Democratic Party politics).
He won't be.
I disagree.
Again, Sanders is the most popular politician in America. Sure, the far right doesn't like Sanders. But the far right isn't going to vote for any Democrat.
Who was the liberal moderate...Clinton or Sanders? Did the Democrats kill it with her?
The Democratic Party needs to run a progressive populist in the mold of Sanders. They do that, they will beat Trump (if he is still President) in 2020. They put forward another Clinton-type Democrat, and it will be harder to win.
Hey, they got one; it's the freakin' "Russia rabbit". Hell, their "theme song" has been around since I was killin' Cong on NAS Norfolk:
If you are implying Clinton is a true liberal moderate you are nuts. Going further left is not going to win. Moving further right gets you more votes, further right than Clinton.
Generation Z is conservative.
The extremists on both sides of the aisle are going to be in trouble, just wish the winds of change would happen faster.
Social programs = socialism huh? Next we will get to hear about the socialist utopia of the Nordic countries and how they are an example of how great it can be. I don't know why anyone wastes their time in conversation with one who knows jack shit about political theory.
I am hoping it will be a strong progressive populist message. It appears more and more like that is what it will be, as more Democrats are aligning behind certain policy proposals.
Plus, Trump will have a record he and the Republicans will have to defend in 2018 and 2020. He didn't have that in 2016.
I have. And again, losing a lot of support in safe Republican districts is not a positive sign for Republicans heading into 2018.
lol, I see you know nothing about Sanders except what you have read on the right-wing sites.
Venture off those and actually do some independent research on him and what he has done throughout his life.
Sanders has never had a real job but he's grown filthy rich as a politician. That's what he's done in life.
Again, who was more of the liberal moderate...Clinton or Sanders?
And yes, the Clintons have always been centrist, third-way Democrats. I understand to a far-right individual the Clintons are very liberal, but heck, many on the far-right consider Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush liberal lol.
Going left of the Clintons won for the Democrats in 2008 and 2012, didn't it?
I just disagree with you. The Democrats won't have success by being Republican-lite. The Democrats will win in 2018 and 2020 by opposing Trump's policies and presenting to Americans a strong progressive populist message.
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