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Ali totally bought into Nation of Islam rascist ideology


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Yep.

You love beating a dead horse don't you?

Oh my god....

If it's all a reference back to interpretation of BigOSUFan's statement.....

It is by every definition available to a rational human being in touch with reality a failure to admit or deny the legal accuracy and correctness of the stand alone proposition which I posed.

A dodge.

A deflection.
 
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If it's all a reference back to interpretation of BigOSUFan's statement.....

Yep, which is what your assumed proposition was based off originally.

I responded to the original post and context, not to your invented distraction.
 
Yep, which is what your assumed proposition was based off originally.

I responded to the original post and context, not to your invented distraction.

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So your "answer" was a refusal to answer.

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I'm think I'm gonna go back to just rolling my eyes and shaking my head to myself while feeling a little bit sorry for you when I read your posts instead of expecting that you are at all capable of being intellectually honest and rational.

Be well, Clinton....
 
lol, how much time do you spend googling for .gifs to put in your posts?
 
No need, I don't need to distract at this point.:D

Yeah.....you're right about that....you've definitely already done more than your fair share of dodging, deflecting, and distracting this evening.
 
Well heck, if this is going to turn into a .gif thread...I'll get some in...

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When someone finds the text where Jesus taught that those who accept Him should murder 'apostates' (or anyone else for that matter), let me know.

Jesus never did say this, however, it didn't stop some from doing exactly that in the name of Jesus. Not to mention the use of other passages in both the New and Old Testaments to justify extremist actions (such as Matthew 10:34).

Again, there are extremists in almost every religion. Those extremists do not define the whole though.
 
Jesus never did say this, however, it didn't stop some from doing exactly that in the name of Jesus. Not to mention the use of other passages in both the New and Old Testaments to justify extremist actions (such as Matthew 10:34).

Again, there are extremists in almost every religion. Those extremists do not define the whole though.

If you can't distinguish between what the religion teaches its followers and what the followers do then there is no point having a discussion with you.

That was the entire point of my post.

I'm out.
 
If you can't distinguish between what the religion teaches its followers and what the followers do then there is no point having a discussion with you.

Again, Matthew 10:34 and other passages from both the Old and New Testament that one could claim teaches its followers certain negative principles.

The interpretation given (which is an action by the followers which is unavoidable) is always the key though. And that is true for Christianity as well as Islam and most other religions.
 
Again, Matthew 10:34 and other passages from both the Old and New Testament that one could claim teaches its followers certain negative principles.

The interpretation given (which is an action by the followers which is unavoidable) is always the key though. And that is true for Christianity as well as Islam and most other religions.


Western Christianity left that behind. Islam is going backwards. To most of us this is as plain as the blue sky, but for some reason a certain group cannot wrap their head around it.
 
Western Christianity left that behind. Islam is going backwards.

Yes, Western Christianity left it behind (for the most part, there are still a few extremists). And yes, Islam is going to have to leave its extremist elements behind too. That is why we must continue to support and encourage moderate Islamism.

We must continue to recognize that not all Muslims are the problem and not embrace policies that discriminate and/or are harmful to all Muslims. Our policies should not enable the extremists in Islam.
 
Our policies should not enable the extremists in Islam.

Borrowed word.

We must continue to recognize that not all Muslims are the problem and not embrace policies that discriminate and/or are harmful to all Muslims.

This is some next level philosophy you're spittin'. Truly visionary. A man for our time and place.
 
Yes, Western Christianity left it behind (for the most part, there are still a few extremists). And yes, Islam is going to have to leave its extremist elements behind too. That is why we must continue to support and encourage moderate Islamism.

We must continue to recognize that not all Muslims are the problem and not embrace policies that discriminate and/or are harmful to all Muslims. Our policies should not enable the extremists in Islam.


so we are both for a religious test that only admits moderate Muslims. I'm for that. Have everyone in your family draw a picture of Mohammed as part of their complete vetting process.
 
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so we are both for a religious test that only admits moderate Muslims. I'm for that. Have everyone in your family draw a picture of Mohammed as part of their complete vetting process.
Very spot on.

Hey @GL97, did you see where the Christian mayor of Jarkarta in Indonesia received a sentence of 2 years in prison for suggesting that the koran doesn't say that followers can't vote for non-followers in an election? Two years in prison. For some words about that book. In "moderate" Indonesia. In case Mother Jones didn't let you know, here you go.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...vernor-sentenced-to-prison-in-blasphemy-case/

Maybe you've never learned that a huge difference between Islam and Christianity these days is that Islam is more than a religion, it's a political system and a form of government. Now you know.

Get back in this thread and lecture us more about these moderate Muslims we should be supporting.
 
Get back in this thread and lecture us more about these moderate Muslims we should be supporting.

No need too. A number of posters already agreed that we need to be supporting moderate Islamism.

Try to keep up.
 
Hold them for a day and only let them pray four times, give them a suicide vest and see if they push the button. If not, they are in!

You forgot to include the option to run into a crowd of Jewish children before pushing the button. Go to America or get a statue in your honor.

Oh, and the virgins. Can't forget the virgins.
 
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In terms of immigration, vetting. But religion should never be the deciding factor (i.e. just because one is a Muslim).

Isn't finding out how they interpret the Koran a religious test? Can we admit/deny based on Sunni or Shia? What's the difference?
 
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