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How contemporary conservative of you -- why, we can't save the lives of children, it might imperil me personally." INNOCENT DEFENSELSS BABIES and you can't do a little jail time to stop the carnage? Quite the moral code. You having some jail time trumps saving babies lives?

As opposed to being inconvenienced to use a clothes line and ride a bike to save the entire world.

Again, great argument counselor.
 
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I wanted to make sure even you understood.



Civil disobedeience. March with pictures of aborted fetuses in front of a clinic. Shoot the Dr. Bribe the patient. Kidnap the patient until the baby is delivered. Harass the Dr. Chain themselves to the Dr's exam table. Fake a pregnancy and sabotage the equipment. Sue the Dr's until they quit. Social media dox the Dr. Cut the electricity to the kill floor.

There's 10 that are more effective than waiting 47 years for votes to kick in. I mean, we're talking murder, right? Genocide?

I'm surprised how easily the climate change deniers use the same argumemt and then get doe eyed like, "What, me?!" when the same logic is used against them. Or in wharry's case.... poof. Just disappear.

Your analogy is insane.
 
The one thing that won't happen itt: An intellectually honest response. You and Afl tweet, bitter just wallows around and Wharry..... "poof." I'm still curious why the "He's obviously not committed" logic doesn't cut both ways. After all, I'm sure Obama votes for environmentally friendly candidates.

The analogy would only work if the people you are addressing here were ok with the chicks they knock up getting abortions but don’t want anyone else to.

What you are flailing around is in no way analogous to limousine liberals burning all the fuel they want while trying to guilt us into buying a Prius.

It’s just a terrible effort.
 
So bombing abortion clinics because you believe abortion is murder and driving a fuel efficient vehicle because you think man-made climate change is real are comparable? Thanks for making my point for me.
The argument against the existence of MMGW being made in this thread is that some people who claim it is real act in ways that are inconsistent with that claim.

Clearly that's lunacy, but if that's how we are going to discern what reality is then symmetry demands that:

If abortion is indeed murder on an industrial scale then anyone who makes those claims must act in ways that are fully consistent with that. Even if we grant that most people are cowards and won't risk jail time to prevent murder on a scale an order of magnitude greater than the Holocaust, if any pro-life congressman or preacher ever paid for an abortion we can conclude that abortion is not murder.
 
I have absolutely no problem with this take.

He clearly states - we don’t know if human activity causes warming, but we should take actions as if they do. Very logical.

So then the debate becomes about what to do? Lots of solutions in this area. Maybe just start with the easy ones?
And the impactful ones...
 
When all air travel is abandoned by liberals or outlawed i’ll get on board.

Until then, if you don’t believe, I don’t believe it.

David Allen flies all around the world, works for a company that has several things that heat up our world and boasts that the promise to plant trees in the future makes the effects negligible. There is no angle that allows that to make sense.
Ignorance.
 
When all air travel is abandoned by liberals or outlawed i’ll get on board.

Until then, if you don’t believe, I don’t believe it.

David Allen flies all around the world, works for a company that has several things that heat up our world and boasts that the promise to plant trees in the future makes the effects negligible. There is no angle that allows that to make sense.

@syskatine ill step out of character if you will. How does it make sense that obama flew a couple hundred people from dc to Hawaii for a vacation? Just give me a level headed argument how he thinks burning that much fossil fuels for a vacation is justified in relation to our planet being in peril? He did this multiple times.

I beleive there were three planes that carried multiple cars/suv’s.

I’ll make this point every time you or anyone tries to say man is hurting the planet.

So you just eat pancakes and floppy bacon and watch while the entire population is being murdered by climate change? No need to get off your fat ass to actually do something? You afraid of getting dirty or breaking nails?

That's exactly right. I'm like all you conservatives. By Gawd I believe it soooo much, but I'm not gonna do that much. Obama's like you guys, too. Murder on an industrial scale and.... protest?

So bombing abortion clinics because you believe abortion is murder and driving a fuel efficient vehicle because you think man-made climate change is real are comparable? Thanks for making my point for me.

Nobody said that, either. You seem to think you get points for volumes of shitposts and moronic takes. This isn't a Lincoln Douglas debate where the volume of shitty arguments gets you points. I'll employ the same clumsy spin as you: So you're sayign the POTUS is supposed to go by sailboat to a summit? Drive his prius across country? How stupid, and thank you for making my point. I can always rely on you to fvck it up.

You want honest answers?

I've been involved in the pro-life movement for over 30 years. I've been involved in marches, protests, calling of government officials (which is a waste of time GOP or Dem), giving money to pro-life causes, and currently financially support crisis pregnancy centers, which counsel women considering abortion regarding other options, which includes the best option for the child, adoption.

I will not break the law by bombing an abortion clinic or assassinating an abortion doctor. Two wrongs never make a right.

So yes, your assertion is fan fic.

Well, ol JC broke the law. They hung his body on a cross and there he hung, until he went to meet the maker. I guess we shouldn't follow his selfless example. Oh - quite a few first century christian martyrs managed to run afoul of the law and got killed, too.

Meanwhile the "genocide" continues. You guys need to think about your arguments before you make them. Harry apparently thinks that lack of 100% personal devotion from someone that advocates for something means it's not true. Well, if that's the case, welcome to the club, I'll make the casserole.

As opposed to being inconvenienced to use a clothes line and ride a bike to save the entire world.

Again, great argument counselor.

Yes, the POTUS should ride a bike to Mar A Lago now. Obama should take a hang glider to a summit. Well done. Compelling point!
 
That's exactly right. I'm like all you conservatives. By Gawd I believe it soooo much, but I'm not gonna do that much. Obama's like you guys, too. Murder on an industrial scale and.... protest?



Nobody said that, either. You seem to think you get points for volumes of shitposts and moronic takes. This isn't a Lincoln Douglas debate where the volume of shitty arguments gets you points. I'll employ the same clumsy spin as you: So you're sayign the POTUS is supposed to go by sailboat to a summit? Drive his prius across country? How stupid, and thank you for making my point. I can always rely on you to fvck it up.



Well, ol JC broke the law. They hung his body on a cross and there he hung, until he went to meet the maker. I guess we shouldn't follow his selfless example. Oh - quite a few first century christian martyrs managed to run afoul of the law and got killed, too.

Meanwhile the "genocide" continues. You guys need to think about your arguments before you make them. Harry apparently thinks that lack of 100% personal devotion from someone that advocates for something means it's not true. Well, if that's the case, welcome to the club, I'll make the casserole.



Yes, the POTUS should ride a bike to Mar A Lago now. Obama should take a hang glider to a summit. Well done. Compelling point!


What law did "ol JC" break?
 
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What law did "ol JC" break?

He didn't wash before eating with the pharisee. He beat people's ass in the temple with a whip. He broke the sabbath repeatedly with good deeds. He committed blasphemy in the eyes of his persecutors (and he knew it at the time). I could go on, but I think we both know that if you accept the NT narrative, they didn't kill him because of his fashion choices.
 
The argument against the existence of MMGW being made in this thread is that some people who claim it is real act in ways that are inconsistent with that claim.

Clearly that's lunacy, but if that's how we are going to discern what reality is then symmetry demands that:

If abortion is indeed murder on an industrial scale then anyone who makes those claims must act in ways that are fully consistent with that. Even if we grant that most people are cowards and won't risk jail time to prevent murder on a scale an order of magnitude greater than the Holocaust, if any pro-life congressman or preacher ever paid for an abortion we can conclude that abortion is not murder.
Nope, but nice try. I like how you try to stuff syskatine's square into a round hole. Try this instead...

People who are believers in man-made climate change should conduct themselves in a manner that's consistent with their belief, i.e. driving fuel efficient cars. Not doing so doesn't make man-made climate change any less real. It just makes the guy driving a Ford F350 powerstroke as a commuter vehicle a hypocrite.

People who believe abortion is murder should conduct themselves in a manner that's consistent with their belief, i.e. not having an abortion themselves or paying for someone's abortion. Believing that abortion is murder but paying for someone to have an abortion doesn't make abortion any less real. It just makes the pro-life guy who paid for his mistress to have an abortion a hypocrite.

If taking action against "murder on a scale greater than the Holocaust" must include murdering abortion doctors, then "murder on a scale greater than WW2" must include murdering the people who enable carbon emissions.

That said, how seriously would you take the pro-life rants of a guy who has repeatedly paid for women to have abortions? Would his screams of "murder!" move your needle much?
 
He didn't wash before eating with the pharisee. He beat people's ass in the temple with a whip. He broke the sabbath repeatedly with good deeds. He committed blasphemy in the eyes of his persecutors (and he knew it at the time). I could go on, but I think we both know that if you accept the NT narrative, they didn't kill him because of his fashion choices.

Oh, so you're relying on the extrabiblical Mishnah as your interp of the "law."

Doesn't hold up next to the Torah.
 
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Nope, but nice try. I like how you try to stuff syskatine's square into a round hole. Try this instead...

People who are believers in man-made climate change should conduct themselves in a manner that's consistent with their belief, i.e. driving fuel efficient cars. Not doing so doesn't make man-made climate change any less real. It just makes the guy driving a Ford F350 powerstroke as a commuter vehicle a hypocrite.

People who believe abortion is murder should conduct themselves in a manner that's consistent with their belief, i.e. not having an abortion themselves or paying for someone's abortion. Believing that abortion is murder but paying for someone to have an abortion doesn't make abortion any less real. It just makes the pro-life guy who paid for his mistress to have an abortion a hypocrite.

If taking action against "murder on a scale greater than the Holocaust" must include murdering abortion doctors, then "murder on a scale greater than WW2" must include murdering the people who enable carbon emissions.

That said, how seriously would you take the pro-life rants of a guy who has repeatedly paid for women to have abortions? Would his screams of "murder!" move your needle much?

LOL. He can't understand. He's not being obtuse -- he just.... can't.
 
People who are believers in man-made climate change should conduct themselves in a manner that's consistent with their belief, i.e. driving fuel efficient cars. Not doing so doesn't make man-made climate change any less real. It just makes the guy driving a Ford F350 powerstroke as a commuter vehicle a hypocrite.
So why does every climate change thread immediately devolve into a discussion of how hypocritical Leonardo DiCaprio, Al Gore, and Barrack Obama are? Is that news?
 
Me (idiot, not savvy at all): Man made global warming is an actual phenomenon that exists.
You (genius, master debate tactician): Ah, but have you considered the fact that politicians are hypocrites!
 
Maybe, we're splitting hairs. Obviously the guy believed there was a higher law that trumped earthly laws. Or is that also not true?

No. We're not splitting hairs. The Torah from his perspective would have been the authoritative word of God. The Mishnah would have been the equivalent of Jerry Falwell or Joel Osteen's commentary on the Torah.

Yes on the higher law. Please show where He joined up with the Zealot party in acts of voilence against the government.
 
What about when DiCaprio gives 20 million dollars to climate change orgs? Does that register as sincere? Or does it all go to shit the second he gets in a private jet?
 
Please show where He joined up with the Zealot party in acts of voilence against the government.
Fair point, but pagan idol worship isn't exactly as pressing of an issue as the murder of 60 million people.
 
Please show where He joined up with the Zealot party in acts of voilence against the government.

14In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables. 15So He made a whip out of cords and drove all fromthe temple courts, both sheep and cattle. He poured out the coins of the money changersand overturned their tables. 16To those selling doves He said, “Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father’s house into a marketplace!”…

I'm not up on your zealot party. I got in a debate on here a while back whether christianity is pacifist (I said yes, e1 else on here said he wasn't, and he endorsed violence.) Of course, he also said, "Do violence to no man" and "turn the other cheek" and he didn't defend himself when he could have, so it gets hairy fast, imo. He arguably used violence to accomplish a higher purpose in the above passage, if that's what you're asking. Some of your fellow posters think that his reference to a "sword" before he was crucified is an endorsement of violence, and I disagreed. All I'm saying is he wouldn't stop defending innocent children, a higher purpose, to simply honor man's law, if the NT narrative is accurate.

FWIW I'm not religious and don't accept the bible as divine or most of it as remotely aspirational.
 
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No. We're not splitting hairs. The Torah from his perspective would have been the authoritative word of God. The Mishnah would have been the equivalent of Jerry Falwell or Joel Osteen's commentary on the Torah.

Yes on the higher law. Please show where He joined up with the Zealot party in acts of voilence against the government.

And... I'm not critical of your devotion. I don't really think that you should do more. I understand how life works, and how opinions work. My point is that the same people that demand exceptional but largely meaningless sacrifice of people concerned with climate change turn right around and come up with all kinds of excuses why they shouldn't engage in exceptional sacrifice to stop a genocide. Of children.
 
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14In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables. 15So He made a whip out of cords and drove all fromthe temple courts, both sheep and cattle. He poured out the coins of the money changersand overturned their tables. 16To those selling doves He said, “Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father’s house into a marketplace!”…

I'm not up on your zealot party. I got in a debate on here a while back whether christianity is pacifist (I said yes, e1 else on here said he wasn't, and he endorsed violence.) Of course, he also said, "Do violence to no man" and "turn the other cheek" and he didn't defend himself when he could have, so it gets hairy fast, imo. He arguably used violence to accomplish a higher purpose in the above passage, if that's what you're asking. Some of your fellow posters think that his reference to a "sword" before he was crucified is an endorsement of violence, and I disagreed. All I'm saying is he wouldn't stop defending innocent children, a higher purpose, to simply honor man's law, if the NT narrative is accurate.

FWIW I'm not religious and don't accept the bible as divine or most of it as remotely aspirational.

Who says Christians have stopped defending innocent children?
 
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So why does every climate change thread immediately devolve into a discussion of how hypocritical Leonardo DiCaprio, Al Gore, and Barrack Obama are? Is that news?
Because their behavior doesn't correspond with the climate alarmism they project. This isn't a difficult concept. Pro-life people that claim abortion is murder but have an abortion themselves are also hypocrites.
 
Me (idiot, not savvy at all): Man made global warming is an actual phenomenon that exists.
You (genius, master debate tactician): Ah, but have you considered the fact that politicians are hypocrites!
Again, nope. Not even a good effort in that one.
 
Because their behavior doesn't correspond with the climate alarmism they project. This isn't a difficult concept. Pro-life people that claim abortion is murder but have an abortion themselves are also hypocrites.
I can't wait for the dissenting opinion on the impending Roe reversal to just be a 50 page discussion on the existence of abortion hypocrites.
 
A lawyer bitching about being lumped into a group. Priceless.

You know that doesn’t even make sense, right?

Keep up the good work, brownie.

Lawyers feed off of hate for lawyers, btw.

I love it.
 
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