22-23 Line up projection

[proud2bpokes]

125 Mastro MD Blankenship 11-1
133 Fix MD Witcraft 9-0
141 Young MD Bloemhof 10-2
149 Voinovich Dec Williams 7-5
157 Mechler Dec Manibog 8-1
157 Sheets TF Worth 15-0 No finals match hwre
165 McLane Dec Mastro 3-1
165 Harper Dec MacLane 4-0
174 - no result posted
184 Wittlake Dec Haas 5-3 OT
184 Wittlake Dec Stika 6-4
197 No Match
285 Doucet Dec Simpson 12-3
285 Chandler Rogers Dec Doucet 5-1

There were a few other matches amongst back-ups. Hone and Gfeller did not wrestle.

 

[slickr3]

What’s up with Wyatt? He come in out of shape like G?

 

[JAY45]

That’s an impressive win for VV

 

[gyppoke]

Same here

 

[DPJ]

What’s up with Wyatt? He come in out of shape like G?

What do you mean? He won his match at 157

 

[Wrassler17]

Chandler wants Joe Smith next. Payback time, haha.

 

[biocowboy]

Can’t believe there is such a gap in the score at 125

 

[ionel]

If Williams doesn't get the spot at 149, and it sounds like he won't, I wonder if he will bulk up 8 pounds and go for 157? Seems wide open.

Wide open except for that returning AA?

 

[biocowboy]

157,165,and Heavyweight are all major holes to start the season.When was the last time OSU had a glaring lack of talent at 2-3 weights?

 

[osudog]

going to be a really rough season. Even with Aj this roster would struggle to place top 10. Excuses and rainbows don’t get you titles.

 

[osudog]

Unfortunately the program has fallen to a level that will take some hard work and time to fix. Too many people the last 5 years have been saying wait till next year we will win .

 

[JAY45]

OSU Wrestling: Harper, Voinovich, Wittlake Win Ranking Matches as Cowboys Ready for Season

Complete results from Saturday's wrestle-offs at Oklahoma State.

pistolsfiringblog.com

 

[biocowboy]

Too many misses on recruits along with refusing to change with the times

 

[osudog]

Too many misses on recruits along with refusing to change with the times

Think you can add some underwhelming development also in that

 

[ionel]

157,165,and Heavyweight are all major holes to start the season.When was the last time OSU had a glaring lack of talent at 2-3 weights?

I'm worried about 149, 165, 184 & HWT but this is our team, there's only one Sr, we should just enjoy watching the young kids develop.

 

[Wrassler17]

OSU Wrestling: Harper, Voinovich, Wittlake Win Ranking Matches as Cowboys Ready for Season

Complete results from Saturday's wrestle-offs at Oklahoma State.

pistolsfiringblog.com

Seth's article gives a little more context...

149: the good - Voinovich got at least 2 takedowns, 1 off a scramble. It's tough to out scramble Jordan Williams, so that's a positive. The not so good - Voinovich gave up 2 reversals. I've seen him do this before against Boone & Herrera-Rondon when he tried to force the double boots in. Not sure if that was the case here. Still a nice win.

184: Haas with the only takedown in regulation, plus he had riding time. If he doesn't call injury timeout, he might have won that match. Obviously super tight between these two.

 

[Dar.of.Emur]

149: the good - Voinovich got at least 2 takedowns, 1 off a scramble. It's tough to out scramble Jordan Williams, so that's a positive. The not so good - Voinovich gave up 2 reversals. I've seen him do this before against Boone & Herrera-Rondon when he tried to force the double boots in. Not sure if that was the case here. Still a nice win.

VV had 3 takedowns.
Score should have been listed 9-5. Seth's article is wrong.
VV had 3 takedowns, and 2 Escapes. He also had riding time locked up at the time JW defaulted out.
JW had 2 reversals and 1 escape.

 

[Harleycowboy]

VV had 3 takedowns.
Score should have been listed 9-5. Seth's article is wrong.
VV had 3 takedowns, and 2 Escapes. He also had riding time locked up at the time JW defaulted out.
JW had 2 reversals and 1 escape.

Truth is we should want Jordan Williams to redshirt and he will get a lot of matches and hopefully get better and better. As has been mentioned Travis Mastro's and what he is doing is very hard to understand. His weight and losing to McClane and apparently losing to Young last year. Trevor, Carter, Victor, Williams, Plott, Haas and Surber really need to develop this year ( our really young wrestlers) also Doucette ( lost to Chandler). Blankenship also needs to develop but he did have shoulder surgery and so I don't know how much he has been able to work since his high school season ended. But 11 to 1 is getting smoked.

 

[Okie_Pat]

I thought it was the best of three. Who won 149, 157, 165 and 184? I just see one round of results

 

[Okie_Pat]

NVM saw the article

 

[Wrassler17]

VV had 3 takedowns.
Score should have been listed 9-5. Seth's article is wrong.
VV had 3 takedowns, and 2 Escapes. He also had riding time locked up at the time JW defaulted out.
JW had 2 reversals and 1 escape.

Impressive if that's the case.

Hopefully Jordan is OK after defaulting.

 

[Old Number Nine]

How has nobody mentioned that Whitlake ony beat Stika 6 - 4. If Whitlake was going to excell at this weight I would have expected something like Mastro's score. JMO

 

[biocowboy]

How has nobody mentioned that Whitlake ony beat Stika 6 - 4. If Whitlake was going to excell at this weight I would have expected something like Mastro's score. JMO

I thought the same thing but there was so many underwhelming results I guess I forgot.

 

[Wrassler17]

After last year's wrestle-offs there was talk that Stika either beat Geer or they had a very tight match.

Adam Engel said Chandler had riding time against Doucet. To me that's the biggest surprise of the ranking matches. I would never have guessed that one.

The question is what to do now. Let Wittlake & Haas continue to battle for 184? Or let Wittlake go 184 and maybe have Haas try to win 285? It's late to start a bulk job, but it might be worth a shot. Then if Wittlake has any setbacks with the knee, you throw Stika at 184.

 

[ionel]

worried about 149, 165, 184 & HWT but

How has nobody mentioned that Whitlake ony beat Stika 6 - 4. If Whitlake was going to excell at this weight I would have expected something like Mastro's score. JMO

That said I'd leave Haas at 184. Regarding 165 & HWT, if you could get the best transfer out there how many tournament points could you score at 165 or HWT. Is there anyone better than last years hwt version of Surber? 165 is stacked at the top this year, is there really any chance of scoring tournament points at that weight? Sure it could make a difference for a couple of dual meets.

 

[JAY45]

It looks like there are areas of concern for sure...with that in mind...

149: You've got a highly decorated young guy who just beat a highly decorated young guy to win the spot. He'll take some lumps for sure. On the flip side, he is everything you are looking for in your program...determined, first to get there, last to leave kind of guy. Not only that, he was Top 10-15 in his Class and Top 1-2 in his weight.

157: See 149 except we have to wait a year. Jordan Williams will be an impact wrestler for OSU.

165: This is a bridge year for sure. You have a superstar coming in next year who could help immediately. For this year, several are looking for the next Nolan Boyd/Preston Weigel. Why not Harper as that guy? Clearly there is something Coach Smith likes about him.

184: It seems like a nice problem you'd like to have at all 10 weights. Two talented studs. Wittlake may in fact be too small. Of course you'd like to see one of the two really grab the spot from the other. Hopefully the best man for the job comes out on top by the end of the Season.

HWT: Who knows...Chandler Rogers is a grown ass man who knows what he is doing. It seems a little too soon to bail on Doucet.

My biggest concern is, where does Haas ultimately fit and does he have the patience to wait around if he can't seperate from Wittlake. Thompson is coming in at 165, Plott has 174 nailed down, and you've got Surber at 197. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing the bulk job if 184 doesn't work out.

 

[JAY45]

Based on yesterday, it looks like this coming weekend would be:

125: Mastro
133: Fix
141: Carter
149: Voinvich
157: Mechler
165: Harper
174: Plott
184: Wittlake
197: Surber
HWT: Doucet

 

[turfpoke]

Based on yesterday, it looks like this coming weekend would be:

125: Mastro
133: Fix
141: Carter
149: Voinvich
157: Mechler
165: Harper
174: Plott
184: Wittlake
197: Surber
HWT: Doucet

Seems like several dual losses coming with that lineup.

 

[ionel]

Based on yesterday, it looks like this coming weekend would be:

125: Mastro
133: Fix
141: Carter
149: Voinvich
157: Mechler
165: Harper
174: Plott
184: Wittlake
197: Surber
HWT: Doucet

How do you get Mechler @57?

 

[JAY45]

How do you get Mechler @57?

I could be wrong…
He was in the Mat 1 Match and Won.
Sheets was in the Mat 2 Match.

 

[leecothran]

Seems like several dual losses coming with that lineup.

Which ones?

 

[ionel]

I could be wrong…
He was in the Mat 1 Match and Won.
Sheets was in the Mat 2 Match.

Sheets also won. I'd expect they take both this weekend but Sheets wrestles against Lehigh.

 

[birdman1117]

Can’t believe there is such a gap in the score at 125

Mastro was really good last year till he got hurt. Still had some good wins on one leg.

 

[Wrassler17]

Are there any weight certification experts on this board? ( @OHkie ? ) Got a question if there are...

After you certify, do you need to weigh in on some schedule (e.g., weekly, monthly) to show you're following the descent plan. Or can you certify once and then just show up 2 months later on weight for the first dual?

I'm wondering if Sheets needs a little more time to make 157. The talk was he was going 165 and then someone said 157 in mid October. He certified at the end of August and weighed between 174.1 - 184. Normally he would need about 11 weeks to make 157. But I'm curious what happens if he was initially following a 165 descent plan and then switched to 157.

 

[ionel]

Are there any weight certification experts on this board? ( @OHkie ? ) Got a question if there are...

After you certify, do you need to weigh in on some schedule (e.g., weekly, monthly) to show you're following the descent plan. Or can you certify once and then just show up 2 months later on weight for the first dual?

I'm wondering if Sheets needs a little more time to make 157. The talk was he was going 165 and then someone said 157 in mid October. He certified at the end of August and weighed between 174.1 - 184. Normally he would need about 11 weeks to make 157. But I'm curious what happens if he was initially following a 165 descent plan and then switched to 157.

Their first dual meet is this coming Saturday, many programs wrestled their first matches yesterday. Don't you think they'd want everyone making scratch weight for the ranking matches else what's the point. I'm sure they don't want to be making weight for the first time an hour before the Lehigh match. I doubt the 165 speculation has anything to do with Sheets weight drop plan.

 

[slickr3]

Do we think Mechler is going to beat out sheets?

 

[Wrassler17]

Their first dual meet is this coming Saturday, many programs wrestled their first matches yesterday. Don't you think they'd want everyone making scratch weight for the ranking matches else what's the point. I'm sure they don't want to be making weight for the first time an hour before the Lehigh match. I doubt the 165 speculation has anything to do with Sheets weight drop plan.

Umm, apparently you didn't understand the question. Nor did you answer it.

Not surprising since I asked if there were any experts. Clearly that doesn't apply to you.

 

[ionel]

Umm, apparently you didn't understand the question. Nor did you answer it.

Not surprising since I asked if there were any experts. Clearly that doesn't apply to you.

If he weighed in at 157 yesterday then he is there. Report was he was in the 157lb ranking match.

 

[Wrassler17]

If he weighed in at 157 yesterday then he is there. Report was he was in the 157lb ranking match.

Ok, but that still wasn't the question. And BTW, some coaches do give an allowance for wrestle-offs...it's not always scratch. But it's not whether Sheets can (or did) make 157. The questions are in the 2nd paragraph and are about NCAA weight loss procedures and rules. And it's not limited to Sheets. Basically are there interim weigh-ins during the descent plan?

Forget about Sheets. Here's a simple example. Wittlake certified at the end of August. He was between 184.1 - 197. Let's say he was actually 195 and he certified at 165 for flexibility. On 11/5 he was at 184. Then he decides he wants to go 165 for the season. Can he drop 19 lbs in a week and show up at Lehigh at 165? I don't think so, because he needs a new descent plan.

 

[turfpoke]

Ok, but that still wasn't the question. And BTW, some coaches do give an allowance for wrestle-offs...it's not always scratch. But it's not whether Sheets can (or did) make 157. The questions are in the 2nd paragraph and are about NCAA weight loss procedures and rules. And it's not limited to Sheets. Basically are there interim weigh-ins during the descent plan?

Forget about Sheets. Here's a simple example. Wittlake certified at the end of August. He was between 184.1 - 197. Let's say he was actually 195 and he certified at 165 for flexibility. On 11/5 he was at 184. Then he decides he wants to go 165 for the season. Can he drop 19 lbs in a week and show up at Lehigh at 165? I don't think so, because he needs a new descent plan.

A google search of NCAA wrestling weight management may be easier.