2 years of Dem obstruction?
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its not just border security
it’s the whole wink wink at rule of law
the last thirty years that’s led to this unchecked wave of influx
young girls didn’t get chopped up
to send messages in pre 2000 bethany
it’s the whole wink wink at rule of law
the last thirty years that’s led to this unchecked wave of influx
young girls didn’t get chopped up
to send messages in pre 2000 bethany
The bipartisan spending packages rejected by trump include border security.
Border security is a priority.
The Wall and Border Security aren’t necessary synonymous.
The Wall and Border Security aren’t necessary synonymous.
Agreed, but the wall is the only actual solution proposed to reducing illegal immigration. Everything else has just been sound bites and word salad.
Is that so?
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Yes, border security is important. That does not mean that a wall is the only way to improve security, or that it is the best option. Personally, I'm not totally opposed to the idea, but, I also don't believe most of the rhetoric as to why we "need" the wall. For example, there is no evidence that terrorists are crossing the southern border, and more than 90% of illegal drugs are being smuggled into the country via legal points of entry.
I would be in favor of a "wall"/improved fencing in some areas, where it would make the work of border patrol agents much easier, and could live with a continuous "wall" if it made sense economically and could be shown to not have significant negative effect on the environment/wildlife migration.
I'm not sure if 90% is accurate, but this is definitely true. What about human trafficking?
Not to mention the MS-13 gang members nabbed crossing the border who are terrorizing neighborhoods throughout the US. Terrorists come in many forms not just the ISIS form.
I wrote kind of the same thing yesterday. I sit here and listen to Biff lie on the daily, and then he casually tells a couple of whoppers (90% of drugs come over the southern border) and every time an illegal kills someone they have that outsized reaction and nothing he or MAGA says is credible about immigration. Sensible people simply shouldn't believe Biff or MAGA or FOX on any level, and that's what kills their wall. I might not have a huge problem with some type of physical barrier.... if it made sense. You can plainly see them lie and shift narratives and try to creat a faux crisis and most people are just in "nope" mode, and rightfully so.
He can always fulfill his loudest campaign promise: Get Mexico to pay for it.
Sensible people just don't believe someone that lies their ass off. It's like MAGA wakes up and expects people to suspend logic and their own memories of Biff saying Mexico would pay for it. Hello?
If they want to get into our country, a wall is not going to keep them out. It might cause them to change their tactics somewhat, but they will find their way into the U.S.
Really? Documented crossings by folks having ties to terrorist organizations is sketchy? It's certainly not the thousands Trump claims, but thinking it hasn't, doesn't, and can't happen is seriously, seriously naive or blinded by narrative.
Can't a terrorist simply take a boat onto unprotected shoreline? Do we need to stop that danger, too?
What if it makes it more difficult and increases the chance that they'll get caught while trying? Is there a downside to that?
Good point. They'll probably hitch rides with those guys carrying North Korean nukes in the back of Toyota Tundras. Since a barrier on the southern border doesn't protect against the Somali SEAL Team landing in North Carolina, we should scrap plans for that. Maybe we should be thinking about a dome like that Stephen King book had.
I'm not convinced it will make a difference. Where there is a will there is a way. Those guys are smart and motivated.
Are you sure that those guys are just walking across the border? Or, are they entering this country using someone else's identity papers? Are they using tunnels that have been dug under border fencing? If we build a wall, will it cause a false sense of security along certain portions of it, where they can just climb over?
IMO, "It might help" is not good enough, and is certainly a far cry from Trump's description of the situation. It seems like there are other non-wall based solutions that might help reduce infiltration by MS-13 members.
Maginot Line, part II.
It's insane. Like a terrorist couldn't simply take a boat instead of walking through a desert. The most basic, basic common sense considerations are out the window with born followers, they just swallow whatever alarmist messaging is given them.
Have you looked at the statistics where barriers have been put up? Why do people live in gated neighborhoods? Lock their doors? Do you lock your doors on your house and car? If so, why? Do you lock your vet office? Why would you do that when, as you say, "Where there is a will there is a way. Those guys are smart and motivated."
Been, they come across in a variety of ways. Why would a wall cause a false sense of security? Nobody is proposing that CBP stop doing what they do because there's a barrier.
Do you hear what you are saying?
The wall/barrier isn't supposed to prevent a well-oiled tank invasion from Mexico.
You aren't speaking in "basic common sense" ways.
If the objective is to prevent terrorists from entering, won't they simply enter on the open shoreline? Am I missing something there?
The wall funnels these illegals. If a wall goes up we then transfer the agent walking where there used to be open border to the shoreline. Boom more protection on the shoreline due to trumps wall.
I dunno. Those cross Atlantic skiffs coming from Afghanistan are certainly a real threat. I hear they have a complete network of floating marinas to help get them here.
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