14 million could lose coverage

[Medic007]

Two ER's let her come and go and nobody cleaned the wound.

ER doctors don't do open fracture irrigation and debridement. Ever. Those are done under anesthesia in the operating room by orthopedic surgeons because it would be horrific to do I&D on an anesthetized patient.

Your story leaves out some very pertinent details like why the patient was transferred to another ER. I'm not saying you're full of shit, but with the expectation that an ER doctor should have done a washout, your story sounds real sketchy.

BC/BS is it in Oklahoma.

You can thank the pile of shit that is Obamacare. That isn't a monopoly problem.

 

[CowboyPhil]

Healthcare is a commodity or service, just like any other. You make crappy life choices and can't afford a car, get a bicycle or walk, or go without.

Sounds like someone who hasn't had to deal much with health insurance companies, large corporate hospitals, and multiple life altering surgeries.

 

[NZ Poke]

Sounds like someone who hasn't had to deal much with health insurance companies, large corporate hospitals, and multiple life altering surgeries.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

ER doctors don't do open fracture irrigation and debridement. Ever. Those are done under anesthesia in the operating room by orthopedic surgeons because it would be horrific to do I&D on an anesthetized patient.

Your story leaves out some very pertinent details like why the patient was transferred to another ER. I'm not saying you're full of shit, but with the expectation that an ER doctor should have done a washout, your story sounds real sketchy.

You can thank the pile of shit that is Obamacare. That isn't a monopoly problem.

1. The first hospital was a country hospital that got her out quickly. She was transferred to a second one and waited there forever and was sent from there to Ft. Worth (as I recall).

2. The orthopedic Dr. was either livid, or pretended to be. (It wouldn't be the first Dr. that says what the family wants to hear and then backtracks when a summons is issued. He said all this, not some lawyer.) He plainly expressed an opinion that it was inexcusable, and then he accurately called the infection. And amputation.

3. I never got into the weeds of the medicine. The case died on the vine because she's too old for her leg to be worth much. Pretty good lawyers rejected it out of hand because of caps. It had nothing to do with Obamacare, either.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

That's another inexcusable sub plot to all this, i.e. shy medical school admissions aren't opened up. I remember a talk about that 100 years ago in my law and medicine class. There's literally an industry-induced bottleneck in the supply of services that keeps the services inflated.

 

[Medic007]

1. The first hospital was a country hospital that got her out quickly. She was transferred to a second one and waited there forever and was sent from there to Ft. Worth (as I recall).

2. The orthopedic Dr. was either livid, or pretended to be. (It wouldn't be the first Dr. that says what the family wants to hear and then backtracks when a summons is issued. He said all this, not some lawyer.) He plainly expressed an opinion that it was inexcusable, and then he accurately called the infection. And amputation.

3. I never got into the weeds of the medicine. The case died on the vine because she's too old for her leg to be worth much. Pretty good lawyers rejected it out of hand because of caps. It had nothing to do with Obamacare, either.

Fair enough. Infections, especially in the elderly, happen whether the I&D is done in the first hour or in hour 18. 6 hours used to be the standard but it's now 24 hours. What seems to matter more is the timely use of IV antibiotics.

The actual fracture may have contributed more to the loss of her leg than the infection. Gustilo-Anderson 3a, 3b, and 3c fractures all carry the risk of limb loss due to the soft tissue damage and bone loss. GA 3c fractures are often amputated because there just isn't anything left to work with.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Sounds like someone who hasn't had to deal much with health insurance companies, large corporate hospitals, and multiple life altering surgeries.

3 spinal fusion surgeries and a father with alzsheimers... you are right. I don't have any personal experience.

 

[CowboyPhil]

3 spinal fusion surgeries and a father with alzsheimers... you are right. I don't have any personal experience.

Then you should know that a lot of healthcare needs are not from poor personal choices.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Then you should know that a lot of healthcare needs are not from poor personal choices.

No, but your ability to pay is.

 

[Medic007]

Then you should know that a lot of healthcare needs are not from poor personal choices.

Except a lot of them are. Take a look into obesity, smoking, and alcohol. The direct and indirect costs of the illnesses that those three things directly cause or are a significant risk factor for is quite alarming.

 

[CowboyPhil]

Not when those surgeries cost you 2/3rd's of your family income and your source of insurance. It becomes difficult.

 

[NZ Poke]

Then you should know that a lot of healthcare needs are not from poor personal choices.

A lot aren't -- but 75% + are. (As per the CDC)


In the late 1970s, the Surgeon General (against scientific advice, and lacking any evidence) started recommending that Americans avoid dietary fats (like eggs, almonds, avocados) ---- and eat "low fat foods" instead. (Which nearly all had added sugar, essentially poison)


This single reccomendation destroyed our nation's health, and helped cause our spiraling costs and demand for services.


Watch this 2 min clip:

 

[CowboyPhil]

You guys are right on a lot of the problems in healthcare. I'm just too frustrated with my own personal situation when trying to talk about things on a wider perspective.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

You guys are right on a lot of the problems in healthcare. I'm just too frustrated with my own personal situation when trying to talk about things on a wider perspective.

This country needs some relief from the constant, life-defining burden of finding good healthcare. It's too much, too expensive and the health insurance industry is just mafia, they produce nothing but profits for themselves.

 

[Bitter Creek]

Birth control pills are, there are many women on them for other reasons.......but, if you don;t want contraceptives paid for, should the government pay for dealing with unwanted children? Because people are not going to stop making them

Unwanted by the birth "mom" and sperm donor does not mean they are unwanted by anyone/everyone.

What about unwanted, contributing adults, should taxpayers, err... the gov't pay for their continuance?

 

[CowboyPhil]

I can't believe I liked the above post. lol

 

[Medic007]

This country needs some relief from the constant, life-defining burden of finding good healthcare. It's too much, too expensive and the health insurance industry is just mafia, they produce nothing but profits for themselves.

How about those buzzard trial lawyers too? Class action lawsuits do nothing for the class while providing mega riches for the lawyers. Defensive medicine is very costly.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

How about those buzzard trial lawyers too? Class action lawsuits do nothing for the class while providing mega riches for the lawyers. Defensive medicine is very costly.

Easy. Frivolous cases should be dismissed and fees assessed. I know classes where members open their mail and there's a check for 100% of the members' damages. Your narrative is wrong. Many class cases end well and the class gets paid. The corporate media never publishes a headline over it, but it happens quite a bit.

 

[CowboyJD]

Easy. Frivolous cases should be dismissed and fees assessed. I know classes where members open their mail and there's a check for 100% of the members' damages. Your narrative is wrong. Many class cases end well and the class gets paid. The corporate media never publishes a headline over it, but it happens quite a bit.

I agree. It happens.

How about those buzzard trial lawyers too? Class action lawsuits do nothing for the class while providing mega riches for the lawyers. Defensive medicine is very costly.

At times, class action suits are generated by cooperating (before the suit is even filed) plaintiffs' and defense counsel to give a degree of cost certainty and "binds the world" (except those specifically opting out) to a favorable settle on behalf of a defendant who knows they messed up before the lawsuit is even filed.

Class action suit abuse isn't limited to plaintiffs and their lawyers.

 

[CowboyPhil]

Can you sue the doctor, the hospital, the insurance company and the employer (again the hospital) all at the same time or would it be multiple cases?

 

[Medic007]

Easy. Frivolous cases should be dismissed and fees assessed. I know classes where members open their mail and there's a check for 100% of the members' damages. Your narrative is wrong. Many class cases end well and the class gets paid. The corporate media never publishes a headline over it, but it happens quite a bit.

Not saying that all class actions are bad. But there are plenty of bad ones out there. And defensive medicine is costly.

 

[CowboyJD]

Can you sue the doctor, the hospital, the insurance company and the employer (again the hospital) all at the same time or would it be multiple cases?

All at once.

 

[Medic007]

Ha! Trump apparently loves the NZ healthcare model I described above.

It really is the best healthcare model (a public / private partnership) --- but it could only be pulled off in the US if we deport all illegals, build the wall, and have strict / controlled immigration requirements (highly skilled and healthy immigrants only, in limited numbers).

Using the left's own logic, this would be outstanding for America AND other countries.


If, as the left constantly says, illegals are such a great benefit to America -- then Mexico, Central America etc will be thrilled receive the illegals back.

The illegals can make their own countries great again using their talents + skills they learned in America.

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That meme is hilarious NZ.

 

[OK State Fan]

It's just a matter of time before we go to a one payer system or some kind. Everyone might as well accept it. It is inevitable. The reasons are too many to count and we can all take a little blame.