14 million could lose coverage
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Many would be people choosing to not buy healthcare, that is freedom of choice versus being taxed if you choose no Obamacare.
Everyone knows the CBO is always right on the mark with their markups.
They are basically just guessing.
You were not taxed for not choosing ACA, you were penalized for not carrying any health insurance , no one was forced to carry ACA
It just boggles my mind that the fact that you have to have insurance or go bankrupt in our healthcare system is never discussed. We just take for granted that it has to be that way. Instead of figuring out a way to make sure everyone has health insurance why don't we develop a system where not everybody needs it?....too revolutionary I guess.
If you're a healthy young person, particularly a healthy young male, you're effectively paying a tax either way.
Heath insurance, as currently perceived by the American public, isn't insurance at all.
That was designed to help keep costs down for everyone. What happens if that heathy young person has an accident , breaks his back and needs a $300,000 operation? Who pays for it ? The answer is ..... all the rest of us
If my memory is correct Obamacare was challenged to the Supreme Court for the penalty, the Supreme Court said it was legal because it was a form of taxation, you have to provide proof with your tax form you have coverage from your provider, this is Form 1095 which was attached to your tax return. Call it what you want but the SC called it a tax and the Fed gov can tax.
I agree you can call it a tax, that is not the important thing, the important part was that you did not pay that just because you didn't have ACA, you paid it if you had no insurance of any kind at all
Don't get me wrong here, I don;t support the ACA, I just think we need something and just scrapping it and starting over is not the best thing. ACA should be built on administration after administration , improving it, I don't have much faith in the GOP just coming out with something any better..........
No kidding?. That's why it is effectively A TAX.
Well, he could've purchased catastrophic coverage couldn't he? Instead of footing the bill for abortions, etc. That would actually be insurance.
There's no question, it can't be just scrapped. The masses would never allow it.
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Need to make sure everyone has something, but as far as abortions, they are only covered by any insurance if it is absolutely necessary if the mother is going to die , these type of abortions need to be done and covered,. I think everyone would agree that abortions that are used as a form a birth control are absolutely wrong
Birth control pills are, there are many women on them for other reasons.......but, if you don;t want contraceptives paid for, should the government pay for dealing with unwanted children? Because people are not going to stop making them
Especially if you give them incentives to do so and do not provide strong enough disincentives to do so. Taking your logic a step further, maybe we should just sterilize everyone below a certain income level?
Health care isn't a right. You make good decisions in your life and you purchase insurance and you are covered. You don't and you aren't.
Pretty simple concept. You can't pay, you don't get served.
Pretty simple concept. You can't pay, you don't get served.
Around 80% of health conditions (and healthcare spending) are related to unhealthy lifestyle choices. (Poor diet is the biggest thing, lack of exercise, lack of sleep etc)
Source: https://lifestylemedicine.org/What-is-Lifestyle-Medicine
It's largely a personal choice to get sick and unhealthy. (Hard fact of life -- considering 80% of health conditions are lifestyle-related)
Source: https://lifestylemedicine.org/What-is-Lifestyle-Medicine
It's largely a personal choice to get sick and unhealthy. (Hard fact of life -- considering 80% of health conditions are lifestyle-related)
Also, the US govt telling people to eat "low fat foods" starting in the 1970s (against scientific advice) wrecked our nation's health.
Watch this -- this single event destroyed many millions (billons?) of people's lives.
Watch this -- this single event destroyed many millions (billons?) of people's lives.
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We need health insurance plans that meet the needs of the customers.
Some people have money and are okay with high deductibles some people need low deductibles. Some people need maternity coverage, some people don't. Some want birth control, some don't. Some people want drug and alcohol rehab coverage, some people don't. You get the point.
Also why isn't the cost of medicine public? It should be listed just like the menu at McDonald's, Rand Paul has got the right idea on this one.
This one size fits all government mandated coverage is a sh!t show and only the most partisan jackwagons won't admit it.
If you qualify for subsides then Obamacare can work out well for some people even though the out of pockets can be ridiculous, for everyone else it sucks.
Some people have money and are okay with high deductibles some people need low deductibles. Some people need maternity coverage, some people don't. Some want birth control, some don't. Some people want drug and alcohol rehab coverage, some people don't. You get the point.
Also why isn't the cost of medicine public? It should be listed just like the menu at McDonald's, Rand Paul has got the right idea on this one.
This one size fits all government mandated coverage is a sh!t show and only the most partisan jackwagons won't admit it.
If you qualify for subsides then Obamacare can work out well for some people even though the out of pockets can be ridiculous, for everyone else it sucks.
If you want to get rid of unwanted children...
The ACA is not an insurance plan and no, you are very incorrect. If you are less than 30, you can still get a catastrophic policy with a deductible mandated by the government. 30 and over? If you can actually get someone to sell you a catastrophic policy that isn't short term, you will still pay the penalty because a catastrophic plan doesn't meet the requirements of the ACA for patients 30 and over.
Everyone? I'm sure you meant everyone who disagrees with abortion for a means of birth control agrees that it's wrong. In case you haven't noticed, there are some people out there that believe it's an acceptable form of birth control.
The overwhelming majority of abortions are for elective birth control.
Yes they are. And there are plenty of people who support the practice.
CBO couldn't predict the sun coming up tomorrow correctly.
And why does it cost more if you don't have insurance? My insurance is a high deductible HSA plan and only covers prescriptions once the deductible is met. I went into Walgreens last week for a prescription and they said it was going to be $58. I said I know that my deductible is not yet met, but that it seemed to be quite a bit more than I remember paying before. They said, oh, your insurance doesn't show up here and they entered it, and boom, price was now magically $9. Not a co-pay, full price.
Chain pharmacy is your first mistake. Look for a locally owned pharmacy to do your business with. They actually care about you as a customer.
This is very true. It's just as important that your pharmacist knows you as your doctor IMO.
I sail with my pharmacist. Of course it helps that his boat survived the tornado that hit Lake Thunderbird in 2010. He also buys good booze. But yes, very true and underrated in importance.
Really? I think pharmacists are way over rated. We can replace them with a good computer program. Time to automate that job and make it much better.
Nope. Probably the pharmacists in chain stores you never interact with, but a good pharmacist is an advocate and a great source of information. The big boxing of pharmacies has been bad for the retail industry. Clinical pharmacists play a big role in hospital based healthcare and can still play a big role in out of hospital healthcare when given the opportunity. Walmart, Walgreens, CVS, etc are usually a terrible example of what a pharmacist brings to the patient.
I can write a program and algorithm that would replace and automate pharmacists. I bet in 25 years, there will only be special drug interaction doctors. You'll get your drugs from a dispenser that has all your prescriptions and any potential cross reactions.
Ok. Seriously sounds great. I'll keep relying on the knowledge of my pharmacist in the meantime. Maybe you could write an algorithm that could eliminate my pain in the ass doctor as well. Both would make you very wealthy.
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