trapped_in_tx said:

Well… yes and no.

The issue is that government should be in the business of infrastructure, securing the borders, and then it gets really murky with ‘general welfare’.

Since human nature dictates that power begets power, too many people are burnt over government overreach once they start on infrastructure and will gladly sacrifice convenience over giving them an inch.

If those folks could confidently be given a guarantee that it stops at the infrastructure (like consistent examples that demonstrate it in action) then they might think differently.

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2012Bearcat said:

Based on my expereince there is no doubt in my mind if it were not for government there wouldn't be many roads.
I bought a house at the auction a few years ago that was in a neighborhood with a private road. Road was in huge disrepair to the point there were huge potholes that forced people to drive in the yards of some of the homeowners. I called the county and asked what could be done. To make a long story short I was told if I were able to convince the homeowners to donate their ownership of just the property that made up the road the county would come in and replace the existing road with a brand new road that would be maintained by the county from then on. I took that information and started going door to door in the neighborhood. When I explained the situation to the home owners about 65% were very receptive, the others were to stupid and stubborn to listen. Ended up selling the property for a good profit and when I drive by today the road is in even worse shape than it was. Moral of the story, some people are stupid.

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GhostOfMatchesMalone said:

...unless....Trump's internal data is showing him that Kamala has lost and now he feels like he can go after 'blue' states. If this continues into next week, I think that's precisely what we can summize is happening.

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Ponca Dan said:

Yeah, there probably wouldn't be any roads in 2024 if there was no government. You make an excellent point.

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fairdinkem said:

I did not! That particular phrase was one of the more bracing retorts from my father when I clearly eff'd up.

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Ponca Dan said:

Yeah, there probably wouldn't be any roads in 2024 if there was no government. You make an excellent point.

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Tulsaaggieson said:

For the record, no he does not.

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squeak said:

I find it amusing that you make this argument while you drive on roads built by the government.

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Forpetessake said:

Yeah, and there are a lot of conspiracies floated on there as well. The use of commonsense is not a crime. You're pulling some cartoon Sh!+ out of the ether.

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Ponca Dan said:

I disagree. I think government agencies exist so there will be subsidies, tax breaks and sweetheart government contracts. Where else will politicians and grifters con the people into giving away their money? I’m all for eliminating 80% of the government, if I had my way it would be 100%. I just find it amusing that Elon Musk of all people wants to lead the charge. I wish him well!

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