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https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/border-patrol-conduct-crowd-control-exercise-election-day/

In a move that is being decried by several members of the Texas congressional delegation, the U.S. Border Patrol announced Monday that it would be conducting an Election Day crowd control exercise in El Paso, the hometown of Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate Beto O’Rourke.

The press release described the exercise as a “mobile field force demonstration” and invited the media to the event, which begins at 10 a.m. El Paso time.

“The El Paso Sector U. S. Border Patrol will be conducting a crowd control exercise at the railroad crossing west of the Paso Del Norte Port of Entry on Tuesday, November 6, 2018,” the agency said in a news release. “The exercise will include participants and assets from the United States Border Patrol.”

“Our preparations are ongoing. There is no link to the election date,” said Customs and Border Protection spokesman Roger Maier. He provided a link to CBP Commissioner Kevin McAleenan’s October 29 statement about the agency’s preparations for the migrant caravan from Central America.

The exercise will take place next to the Chihuahuita neighborhood, a cluster of about one hundred or so homes along the U.S.-Mexico border that is almost exclusively Hispanic. The exercise is planned to occur within half a mile from at least one designated polling station.


O’Rourke, informed of the exercise during a news conference before his final campaign rally in his hometown of El Paso Monday night, expressed disappointment.

“No walls, no CBP exercises (are) going to keep us from honoring our laws, our commitments. Why this is happening now, why the president is stirring these issues up at this moment with 24 hours before we decide this election, I’ll leave that to you to conclude,” he said. O’Rourke is challenging Republican incumbent Ted Cruz in Tuesday’s election.

O’Rourke has been critical of President Trump’s recent deployment of U.S. armed forces to the border. “This is another attempt to stir paranoia and fear and anxiety, instead of really meeting the challenge, which is a humanitarian crisis in the northern triangle of Central America,” O’Rourke said late last month.

By contrast, Cruz has welcomed news of the deployment and criticized his opponent for being soft on immigration. “He is waiting on the Rio Grande with welcome baskets and foot massages,” Cruz said of O’Rourke recently. Cruz has also consistently pointed out that he has received the endorsement of the national U.S. Border Patrol Union.

The news drew immediate criticism from several member of Congress as well as the Texas head of the American Civil Liberties Union.

“It’s appalling that they would do something like that,” said U.S. Representative Vicente Gonzalez, D-McAllen, another border community. “This is more of a campaign dog-and-pony show coming from the administration that is trying to incite its base.” A similar training exercise was held Monday in the town of Hidalgo, next to McAllen and adjacent to the U.S.-Mexican border.

U.S. Representative Joaquin Castro, vice-chairman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, said: “I’m at a loss to understand why they would do that on Election Day. Without hearing the justification for it, I don’t know why you would do it on Election Day anywhere in Texas. It seems very strange.”

U.S. Representative Henry Cuellar, D-Laredo, another border community, said: “At best, it’s a bad decision to have this at that particular area on Election Day. Couldn’t they wait until the day after the election? I’m not going to question the motives, but I am going to question the timing.”


State Representative Mary Gonzalez, D-Clint, the vice-chairman of the Mexican American Legislative Caucus in the Texas House, said: “This administration continues to use immigration policy for political purposes. The made-for-media ‘crowd control’ drill, conducted on Election Day, is a cynical effort to suppress the Latino vote in a region seeing record turnout. We demand the administration immediately cancel the drill.”

Terri Burke, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union in Texas, harshly criticized the planned exercise. “The location, next to a totally Hispanic neighborhood, is suspicious. The timing of this—Election Day—is suspicious. This administration, and by extension the [Governor Greg] Abbott administration, have done quite enough to intimidate voters without staging military rehearsals on the day our nation exercises our most important democratic obligation: voting. Instead of practicing to handle nonexistent crowds, the Border Patrol could practice something useful and timely: how to properly interview and process refugee asylum seekers,” Burke said.

El Paso CPB officials have visibly increased activity in recent days around the Paso del Norte Bridge, the port of entry in downtown El Paso, as the number of families arriving from Central America to seek asylum has grown, and President Trump has said a caravan of migrants currently hundreds of miles away in Mexico threatens an “invasion” of the United States. CBP officers now routinely carry semiautomatic rifles on the bridge rather than just sidearms. Officers closed the bridge on October 29 as part of an exercise to prepare for the possible arrival of the caravan.
 
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Why would anyone oppose proper control of our national borders? If it prevents illegal people from coming across the border and trying to vote - even better. Nobody wants illegals in this country and nobody wants non-citizens voting, right?
 
How about do it on Monday or Wednesday instead of election day? No one thinks the exercise is an issue. Just the timing.
 
What better time to keep illegals from voting illegally, why is that a problem? If you fear Russian meddling should we not fear illegal meddling?

Give me a ****ing break. If you are worried about illegals voting, then we should have one of these exercises at every polling place within X miles of the border. There are mechanisms in place to prevent illegal aliens from voting, despite what POTUS claims.
 
Give me a ****ing break. If you are worried about illegals voting, then we should have one of these exercises at every polling place within X miles of the border. There are mechanisms in place to prevent illegal aliens from voting, despite what POTUS claims.

I am all for it, at every single polling place. Maybe this is a good compromise, do it at high risk places that could impact election.
 
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Give me a ****ing break. If you are worried about illegals voting, then we should have one of these exercises at every polling place within X miles of the border. There are mechanisms in place to prevent illegal aliens from voting, despite what POTUS claims.

So you are proposing that we post security at every polling place in order to prevent abuse? I could get behind it at every single polling place.
 
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my my my

trying to hammer home a feel good narrative and all you get is support

oh wait it’s not the support you wanted

so let’s figure something else out
scapegoat a little
 
So you are proposing that we post security at every polling place in order to prevent abuse? I could get behind it at every single polling place.

No.

I think it is BS to do it at just one polling place. In Beto's hometown. In a neighborhood that is over 80% Hispanic. I think it is BS to argue that it is a good idea to hold this exercise on election day. No reason it could not take place on Mon/Wed.
 
my my my

trying to hammer home a feel good narrative and all you get is support

oh wait it’s not the support you wanted

so let’s figure something else out
scapegoat a little

I knew what I would get from most on this site. I was curious if any conservatives would go with the narrative that there is no reason to do this on election day. So far, no takers.
 
No.

I think it is BS to do it at just one polling place. In Beto's hometown. In a neighborhood that is over 80% Hispanic. I think it is BS to argue that it is a good idea to hold this exercise on election day. No reason it could not take place on Mon/Wed.
It is on the border, right? Not the actual polling place, right?

“The El Paso Sector U. S. Border Patrol will be conducting a crowd control exercise at the railroad crossing west of the Paso Del Norte Port of Entry on Tuesday, November 6, 2018,” the agency said in a news release. “The exercise will include participants and assets from the United States Border Patrol.”

So any illegal should still be able to go vote as long as they are already in country - no need to fret.
 
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I disavow this excercise.


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I knew what I would get from most on this site. I was curious if any conservatives would go with the narrative that there is no reason to do this on election day. So far, no takers.
Weird that your concern is the timing of the exercise, not that there are people voting in our elections that have no right to do so.
 
How can anyone be against proper training for our border security personnel?
 
Considering everything for voting is the honor system there's no way of knowing.

But why wouldn't people not vote illegally?

If we are going to go with that line of thinking, why wouldn't just as many people vote Republican illegally as Democrat?
 
problem solved sans outrage

the big

B-I-N-G-O

problem solving instead of just listening doesn’t do the left brained femtard empathy hat crowd any good, such a pity
 
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What difference does it make who they are voting for? I don't want Republicans winning with millions of illegal votes either.

It's just weird that Republicans push this continual voting fraud story, but seem to think that it is so easy for Democrats to get away with it and that they are definitely doing it with regularity. Yet, logic says that if it were so easy, everyone would be doing it. I guess some people believe that Republicans are too straight-laced to break the rules, while Democrats will cheat whenever possible. The whole narrative defies logic.

Just apply some critical thinking.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth
 
It's just weird that Republicans push this continual voting fraud story, but seem to think that it is so easy for Democrats to get away with it and that they are definitely doing it with regularity. Yet, logic says that if it were so easy, everyone would be doing it. I guess some people believe that Republicans are too straight-laced to break the rules, while Democrats will cheat whenever possible. The whole narrative defies logic.

Just apply some critical thinking.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

Everyone reading this thread just did a spit take at that last sentence.
 
problem solved sans outrage

the big

B-I-N-G-O

problem solving instead of just listening doesn’t do the left brained femtard empathy hat crowd any good, such a pity

This makes no sense, means nothing, and is meaningless. Might as well be typing Greek.
 
Implying that you scare critical thinking.

You go to imright.com and recrap talking points and buzzwords.
 
Implying that you scare critical thinking.

You go to imright.com and recrap talking points and buzzwords.

So, no rebuttal to this. Shoot the messenger when you don't like the message. Got it.

It's just weird that Republicans push this continual voting fraud story, but seem to think that it is so easy for Democrats to get away with it and that they are definitely doing it with regularity. Yet, logic says that if it were so easy, everyone would be doing it. I guess some people believe that Republicans are too straight-laced to break the rules, while Democrats will cheat whenever possible. The whole narrative defies logic.
 
It's just weird that Republicans push this continual voting fraud story, but seem to think that it is so easy for Democrats to get away with it and that they are definitely doing it with regularity. Yet, logic says that if it were so easy, everyone would be doing it. I guess some people believe that Republicans are too straight-laced to break the rules, while Democrats will cheat whenever possible. The whole narrative defies logic.

Just apply some critical thinking.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

Critical thinking would imply that you've thought out the issue yourself. So let's try and do some now....

How do you know if an individual obtaining a ballot is legally entitled to vote in today's election?
 
Critical thinking would imply that you've thought out the issue yourself. So let's try and do some now....

How do you know if an individual obtaining a ballot is legally entitled to vote in today's election?

Where I vote, you have to be pre registered and present valid ID
I assume it is the same at most polling places
 
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