Yep....

[CowboyJD]

A zeal for different opinions concerning religion, concerning government, and many other points, as well of speculation as of practice; an attachment to different leaders ambitiously contending for pre-eminence and power; or to persons of other descriptions whose fortunes have been interesting to the human passions, have, in turn, divided mankind into parties, inflamed them with mutual animosity, and rendered them much more disposed to vex and oppress each other than to co-operate for their common good. So strong is this propensity of mankind to fall into mutual animosities, that where no substantial occasion presents itself, the most frivolous and fanciful distinctions have been sufficient to kindle their unfriendly passions and excite their most violent conflicts.

JAMES MADISON, Federalist No. 10, Nov. 22, 1787

I have no idea what we do about it, but it is a vexing conundrum for me.

 

[HighStickHarry]

I do. You squash the wrong side.

 

[CowboyJD]

I do. You squash the wrong side.

Yes...I understand that you believe in that wholeheartedly at this point.

 

[HighStickHarry]

What graph in our culture do you look at and say yes more liberal “progress?”

In 20 years no black children will have married parents if liberals have their way.

150 genders, they are playing with their food at this point. Someone has to stop them.

 

[CowboyJD]

What graph in our culture do you look at and say yes more liberal “progress?”

In 20 years no black children will have married parents if liberals have their way.

150 genders, they are playing with their food at this point. Someone has to stop them.

And you’re just the guy to squash them.

Go forth and prosper, mi amigo.

As for me, I don’t think either side will ever squash the other side to the extent you are proposing....and in their efforts to do so swing so far to the opposite extreme that I can’t get on board with that form of thinking.

 

[CBradSmith]

Man, they were wise.

Amazing how humans can be when not always looking at a screen.

 

[CowboyJD]

Man, they were wise.

Amazing how humans can be when not always looking at a screen.

At the same time...as a student of history...I understand they were completely human and prone to violate their own principles at times.

Like I said earlier, a conundrum to which I am not so sure there is a solution.

 

[CBradSmith]

I do. You squash the wrong side.

My contention is that you marginalize them by continually pointing out the idiocy and hostility in their positions (shortsightedness of their planning, lack of follow through, INHERENT PERPETUANCE OF HOSTILITY aka "lack of love").

We've been waging battle on the lack of principled intellectual underpinnings of neomarxism, progressivism, postmodernism, but the fight has only begun on this new front of embracing your neighbor, loving your neighbor, building bridges.

In a very real way, people are craving the love. Yet the neomarxist progressives are they ones that perpetuate "good people vs bad people." They perpetuate HATE.

Isnt that ironic that the party of love has now become the party of hate. And that it will be the death knell that puts that sickness in check.

 

[Bitter Creek]

And you’re just the guy to squash them.

Go forth and prosper, mi amigo.

As for me, I don’t think either side will ever squash the other side to the extent you are proposing....and in their efforts to do so swing so far to the opposite extreme that I can’t get on board with that form of thinking.

The HSH quote that you replied to isn't wrong. And those do seem to be some of the basic tenants of the Lib politicians' agenda.

If regular people don't try to squash those directional polices, are they not partially responsible for the their growth in society? (honest question, btw).

 

[CBradSmith]

At the same time...as a student of history...I understand they were completely human and prone to violate their own principles at times.

Like I said earlier, a conundrum to which I am not so sure there is a solution.

"At times"

Implies that there was always kind of a central core or mode of thinking/being that they would snap back to after briefly stepping outside of themselves.

 

[Bitter Creek]

At the same time...as a student of history...I understand they were completely human and prone to violate their own principles at times.

Like I said earlier, a conundrum to which I am not so sure there is a solution.

It kind of makes me believe in Dunbar's number and definitely makes me want to see State's Rights be more prevalent.

If the states had more individual power then the people of Alabama and the people of California could both live like they want, which could reduce the animosity.

 

[OKSTATE1]

I agree with your post JD. But the libs have lost it right now, the vitriol coming from them is unreal. You have CSCOTT hoping the Prez is assassinated and backing MS-13 over Trump. Then you have this gem from davidallen:

Conviction is the last thing I want. I want a prolonged, paralyzing investigation followed by a raucous debate on whether or not to impeach including lots of innuendo about fellow travelers on the Trump Train including Pence and Ryan. At that point I would very much want 45 to steadfastly maintain his innocence and continue his intention to run for reelection, facing such a devastating primary challenge that the GOP is nothing but a smoking crater.

What's the phrase I am looking for... oh yeah "burn the ****er down" - in this case "the ****er" applies to the Trump White House and his enablers in the GOP.

14 davidallen, Mar 1, 2018

MSM has no problem having Rober DeNiro saying F-Trump on live TV. Bill Maher hoping for a recession. Numerous other examples. No previous President has ever been treated this way and this is the first time I have seen an entire party lose their collective mind. Trump derangement syndrome? When I first heard it I thought it was just another political term, but it is real.

Nothing you can do about it JD, this is why IMO patriotism is really important right now, we need to all focus on what is best for our country and not our party. We should be loyal to our families and our country first.

I had a long post about a week ago saying that cleaning up Washington should not just be about "getting" Obama and HRC and their loyal criminal subjects, bring them to accountability, yes. But it can not stop there, we have to identify why our political system creates people that go in to public service but only serve themselves. We have to ask why do 2 sets of rules apply for politicians and regular citizens. I think it starts with term limits, eliminating all lobbying, and putting caps on how much a candidate can spend on running for various offices. All laws that Congress pass must also apply to all Congressman, prime example is healthcare. If it is good for the regular people then it is good for them as well.

I think we need more citizen oversight committees, we need more oversight of the DOJ, FBI, CIA, etc... The alphabet soup of our Fed Government operates in secrecy with personal political agenda's and no transparency.

WE NEED TO PUT POLITICIANS BEHIND BARS FOR CRIMINAL ACTS, THE LAWS SHOULD BE MORE VIGOROULSY ENFORCED ON OUR POLITICIUANS THEN THE PUBLIC AT LARGE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HAS PUT THEIR FAITH AND TRUST IN THEM AND THEY CAN DO SO MUCH HARM.

When Enron happened and stiff sentences handed out it changed a few mindsets, we need to do the same in Washington. To change people sometimes you have to change the people, we can do that by voting everyone out and putting fresh people in, and sending the leakers, traitors, constitution breakers, law breakers, and pocket liners to jail.

 

[CowboyJD]

"At times"

Implies that there was always kind of a central core or mode of thinking/being that they would snap back to after briefly stepping outside of themselves.

Excellent point with which I agree.

 

[CowboyJD]

I agree with your post JD. But the libs have lost it right now, the vitriol coming from them is unreal. You have CSCOTT hoping the Prez is assassinated and backing MS-13 over Trump. Then you have this gem from davidallen:

Conviction is the last thing I want. I want a prolonged, paralyzing investigation followed by a raucous debate on whether or not to impeach including lots of innuendo about fellow travelers on the Trump Train including Pence and Ryan. At that point I would very much want 45 to steadfastly maintain his innocence and continue his intention to run for reelection, facing such a devastating primary challenge that the GOP is nothing but a smoking crater.

What's the phrase I am looking for... oh yeah "burn the ****er down" - in this case "the ****er" applies to the Trump White House and his enablers in the GOP.

14 davidallen, Mar 1, 2018

MSM has no problem having Rober DeNiro saying F-Trump on live TV. Bill Maher hoping for a recession. Numerous other examples. No previous President has ever been treated this way and this is the first time I have seen an entire party lose their collective mind. Trump derangement syndrome? When I first heard it I thought it was just another political term, but it is real.

Nothing you can do about it JD, this is why IMO patriotism is really important right now, we need to all focus on what is best for our country and not our party. We should be loyal to our families and our country first.

I had a long post about a week ago saying that cleaning up Washington should not just be about "getting" Obama and HRC and their loyal criminal subjects, bring them to accountability, yes. But it can not stop there, we have to identify why our political system creates people that go in to public service but only serve themselves. We have to ask why do 2 sets of rules apply for politicians and regular citizens. I think it starts with term limits, eliminating all lobbying, and putting caps on how much a candidate can spend on running for various offices. All laws that Congress pass must also apply to all Congressman, prime example is healthcare. If it is good for the regular people then it is good for them as well.

I think we need more citizen oversight committees, we need more oversight of the DOJ, FBI, CIA, etc... The alphabet soup of our Fed Government operates in secrecy with personal political agenda's and no transparency.

WE NEED TO PUT POLITICIANS BEHIND BARS FOR CRIMINAL ACTS, THE LAWS SHOULD BE MORE VIGOROULSY ENFORCED ON OUR POLITICIUANS THEN THE PUBLIC AT LARGE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HAS PUT THEIR FAITH AND TRUST IN THEM AND THEY CAN DO SO MUCH HARM.

When Enron happened and stiff sentences handed out it changed a few mindsets, we need to do the same in Washington. To change people sometimes you have to change the people, we can do that by voting everyone out and putting fresh people in, and sending the leakers, traitors, constitution breakers, law breakers, and pocket liners to jail.

Your posts indicate to me that you have lost “it” as well. I see a whole lot of vitriol in them as well.

 

[Rdcldad]

And you’re just the guy to squash them.

Go forth and prosper, mi amigo.

As for me, I don’t think either side will ever squash the other side to the extent you are proposing....and in their efforts to do so swing so far to the opposite extreme that I can’t get on board with that form of thinking.

as soon as you can grasp this deep state coup attempt

you’ll understand the difference between swinging so far to the opposite extreme(fear projection)

and defending the constitution

they set trump up and accused them of what they did

with your experience and intelligence
something you should readily see

 

[CowboyJD]

The HSH quote that you replied to isn't wrong. And those do seem to be some of the basic tenants of the Lib politicians' agenda.

If regular people don't try to squash those directional polices, are they not partially responsible for the their growth in society? (honest question, btw).

You say that what HSH said isn’t wrong, but that it’s only the basic tenant of Lib politicians’ agenda.

HSH isn’t a lib politician. It seems that if you think what HSH said isn’t wrong (squash the wrong side), it seems that it’s also King’s X from decrying against what you view as liberal tactics....after all, they are also just attempting to squash the side they believe is wrong.

I just don’t see “squashing” the “wrong” side as working out to the benefit of the nation. That mindset has got us to the deeply divided point we are at now.

I don’t profess to have any answers. In the past, my tactic and ways were to just be contrary to it all from both sides. I have recently found myself largely just removing myself from the conversation for the most part. That’s not going to work in the long run either. I frankly don’t know.

 

[OKSTATE1]

Your posts indicate to me that you have lost “it” as well. I see a whole lot of vitriol in them as well.

By your definition then I can say the same about you.

 

[CowboyJD]

as soon as you can grasp this deep state coup attempt

you’ll understand the difference between swinging so far to the opposite extreme(fear projection)

and defending the constitution

they set trump up and accused them of what they did

with your experience and intelligence
something you should readily see

So now you’re squashing anyone questioning your squashing of the “wrong” side.

With my experience and intelligence, I respectfully disagree with the assessment you have made.

 

[CowboyJD]

By your definition then I can say the same about you.

Do what you want.

Say what you want about me.

I don’t much care, honestly.

FWIW, I have copped to bad behavior in the past and have examined and continue to examine my own behavior. I don’t see much of that from you.

 

[Rdcldad]

It kind of makes me believe in Dunbar's number and definitely makes me want to see State's Rights be more prevalent.

If the states had more individual power then the people of Alabama and the people of California could both live like they want, which could reduce the animosity.

and what did otard do to benefit states rights and power?

the very freedom of individual choice centered in the libtard frontal lobe and sold to america as progress?

that all funnels back and through washington so big dady can control public policy

 

[Rdcldad]

So now you’re squashing anyone questioning your squashing of the “wrong” side.

With my experience and intelligence, I respectfully disagree with the assessment you have made.

that’s weak and patronizing

at libtards behest the situation moved well out of the political realm

hell watch allan dershowitz yesterday on fox
he’s adamantly against criminalization of political maneuvering


i’m all for getting it on at the ballot box

“mattress mary” parlayed real dirty into governess. ms adkins chose to maintain decorum and lost.


mattress mary sicks law enforcement on
ms askins???

then the rules have changed
sabe?

 

[OKSTATE1]

Do what you want.

Say what you want about me.

I don’t much care, honestly.

FWIW, I have copped to bad behavior in the past and have examined and continue to examine my own behavior. I don’t see much of that from you.

No one is as perfect as you, I mean no one.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Let’s define squashing

 

[AC_Exotic]

Problem is it's been this way forever

Pretty funny reading the scorching language used by political opponents over our history since the beginning.

Washington's cabinet was hamstrung by party differences and Vice PresidentJefferson's treatment of President Adams was downright appalling.

 

[CowboyJD]

Let’s define squashing

You used it first.

Go ahead.

 

[CowboyJD]

No one is as perfect as you, I mean no one.

Never claimed to be perfect. Have, in fact, copped to my own bad behavior here and elsewhere. I’m not one pointing a finger at a different side and saying “it’s all them” though.

 

[CowboyJD]

that’s weak and patronizing

at libtards behest the situation moved well out of the political realm

hell watch allan dershowitz yesterday on fox
he’s adamantly against criminalization of political maneuvering


i’m all for getting it on at the ballot box

“mattress mary” parlayed real dirty into governess. ms adkins chose to maintain decorum and lost.


mattress mary sicks law enforcement on
ms askins???

then the rules have changed
sabe?

I’m not interested in squashing you opinion or convincing you you are wrong.

I’m good with simply disagreeing with it.

If that is weak and patronizing to you, then so be it.

I am also against criminalizing political maneuvering...unless it also violates established criminal provisions already in place, but you don’t get a free pass by simply characterizing a violation of the law as political maneuvering. Besides, I’m not even talking about just political maneuvering/Trump/libs v conservatives specifically.

 

[Bitter Creek]

You say that what HSH said isn’t wrong, but that it’s only the basic tenant of Lib politicians’ agenda.

HSH isn’t a lib politician. It seems that if you think what HSH said isn’t wrong (squash the wrong side), it seems that it’s also King’s X from decrying against what you view as liberal tactics....after all, they are also just attempting to squash the side they believe is wrong.

I just don’t see “squashing” the “wrong” side as working out to the benefit of the nation. That mindset has got us to the deeply divided point we are at now.

I don’t profess to have any answers. In the past, my tactic and ways were to just be contrary to it all from both sides. I have recently found myself largely just removing myself from the conversation for the most part. That’s not going to work in the long run either. I frankly don’t know.

For the record, this is a fantastic thread that everyone should take to heart and weigh in on. Kudos to you for prompting the discussion. I also hope that you don’t stop weighing in on topics as you are a level headed and sharp contributor on most every topic here.

Regarding squashing bad tactics, anything that puts humans further into need, should absolutely be squashed. Discord and conflict is painful. But, it is required for any nation that hopes to keep the governing halfway close to the individual voter level. I am personally okay with not being liked and not liking the perspectives of others.

I like having DA, Sys, 07 and CScott on this board. If they quit showing up, I probably would too. I already know what I think about issues, I need to hear conflicting things to improve my positions.

 

[OKSTATE1]

Never claimed to be perfect. Have, in fact, copped to my own bad behavior here and elsewhere. I’m not one pointing a finger at a different side and saying “it’s all them” though.

I thought you did not care what I said about you.

 

[CowboyJD]

I thought you did not care what I said about you.

I don’t.

I’m just interested in whether or not you’ll ever focus on and question a little your own behavior in connection with the OP and the discussion it has raised.

At this point, I’m pretty convinced you won’t, so if you want the last word in our little tete-a-tête-à-tête, go ahead and take it.

 

[OKSTATE1]

I don’t.

I’m just interested in whether or not you’ll ever focus on and question a little your own behavior in connection with the OP and the discussion it has raised.

At this point, I’m pretty convinced you won’t, so if you want the last word in our little tete-a-tête-à-tête, go ahead and take it.

What bad behavior? Having an opinion different then yours? I have not advocated someone to be assassinated or the economy to tank. I have for a LONG time stated and felt the best thing that could happen is to vote all Reps and Dems out and start all over. I like Trump’s policies, think he is a jerk but like his policies, love them. I have posted on this board it would be good to have a strong opposition party to the Reps. I have stated Trump needs not cross the line legally. I think Trump deserves far better then how MSM portrays him.

So what bad behavior? Expressing my opinions?

 

[HighStickHarry]

You used it first.

Go ahead.

I meant liberal internment camps I just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page.

 

[CowboyJD]

I meant liberal internment camps I just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page.

Thumbs up.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

A zeal for different opinions concerning religion, concerning government, and many other points, as well of speculation as of practice; an attachment to different leaders ambitiously contending for pre-eminence and power; or to persons of other descriptions whose fortunes have been interesting to the human passions, have, in turn, divided mankind into parties, inflamed them with mutual animosity, and rendered them much more disposed to vex and oppress each other than to co-operate for their common good. So strong is this propensity of mankind to fall into mutual animosities, that where no substantial occasion presents itself, the most frivolous and fanciful distinctions have been sufficient to kindle their unfriendly passions and excite their most violent conflicts.

JAMES MADISON, Federalist No. 10, Nov. 22, 1787

I have no idea what we do about it, but it is a vexing conundrum for me.

Reading the dogmatic and absolutist positions in this thread tells me two things: 1. It vindicates the OP in spades, and 2: The great unspoken theme of history is how a very, very small number of insanely greedy, ambitious, and power-hungry people convince the feeble-minded masses to hurt each other for the first partys' benefit.

Looking at the perspectives of this board in context, we live in an era of unparalleled prosperity, unparalleled opportunity, with unparalleled freedom, and unparalleled security, in the strongest country ever, ran predominately by white men, and white men on here bitch about how bad they have it. If these same people cant' get off their ass and get a square shake from a society now, they couldn't in any era. It really is insane and I think is prima facie proof that (2) above is right.

 

[Rdcldad]

Besides, I’m not even talking about just political maneuvering/Trump/libs v conservatives specifically.

well we can digress into the human race in general or

assyrians israelites and the battle of qarqar
cause folks ain’t been getting along for a good long while

 

[CBradSmith]

Reading the dogmatic and absolutist positions in this thread tells me two things: 1. It vindicates the OP in spades, and 2: The great unspoken theme of history is how a very, very small number of insanely greedy, ambitious, and power-hungry people convince the feeble-minded masses to hurt each other for the first partys' benefit.

Looking at the perspectives of this board in context, we live in an era of unparalleled prosperity, unparalleled opportunity, with unparalleled freedom, and unparalleled security, in the strongest country ever, ran predominately by white men, and white men on here bitch about how bad they have it. If these same people cant' get off their ass and get a square shake from a society now, they couldn't in any era. It really is insane and I think is prima facie proof that (2) above is right.

Wrong.

Try reading the tea leaves again.

Or...actually listen.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

I’m just interested in whether or not you’ll ever focus on and question a little your own behavior

So what bad behavior? Expressing my opinions?

Just let this marinate.

I have no idea what we do about it, but it is a vexing conundrum for me.

Education and critical thinking. I was thinking the other day on here: Look at all the race-based grievances and posts on here. It's constant, and they all reflect a certain ideological messaging. The claimed grievance is how racial privilege has hurt the vulnerable race and is also unfair to whites. Okay - just arguendo accept that thesis as true.

When's the last time you remember one of these Oklahomans referencing indians in regard to race? Literally, one ethnicity is conferred the right to participate in businesses without taxation, and different laws apply. Free shit everywhere. The federal government steps in and assumes control of children of that ethnicity, but not white children. Say what you want about it, imagine a more loaded racial topic. Commentary on here? Nada. The racial commentary on here is exclusively from other people's points. There's just no independent thought. How can an Oklahoman live here, see indian affairs every day, and then focus on blacks in Chicago? The answer? Messaging and inability to independently think. That's just one example.

 

[CowboyJD]

well we can digress into the human race in general or

assyrians israelites and the battle of qarqar
cause folks ain’t been getting along for a good long while

I’m more interested in process at this point than particular issues.

So we’re all just doomed inflammation and demonizing those we disagree with?

You might be right, I dunno.

 

[Rdcldad]

I’m more interested in process at this point than particular issues.

So we’re all just doomed inflammation and demonizing those we disagree with?

You might be right, I dunno.

we’ve circled back to do the right thing

in that realm
i think we’ve all had great experiences and had it blow up in our face

properly assessing who you are processing with and process accordingly

 

[trapped_in_tx]

I meant liberal internment camps I just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page.

I thought you meant that you literally wanted to turn them into a greasy spot like some annoying bug, so I'm glad you cleared that up.