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WTF are we doing?

What restrictions do you prescribe?

I don't know. Maybe no person can (directly or indirectly) own more than 10 homes. Good question.

Do you have a problem with deep pocket institutions or foreigners buying up homes and then cornering rental and sales markets in various places?
 
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I don't know. Maybe no person can (directly or indirectly) own more than 10 homes. Good question.

Do you have a problem with deep pocket institutions or foreigners buying up homes and then cornering rental and sales markets in various places?
Not really. I tend to look at it from the other side. A person either owns his property or he doesn't. If he does then he should be allowed to sell it to whomever he wants. If the government can tell to whom he can or can't sell his property then he doesn't really own it. But I agree it is a dilemma when the "buyer" is a douche.
 
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Not really. I tend to look at it from the other side. A person either owns his property or he doesn't. If he does then he should be allowed to sell it to whomever he wants. If the government can tell to whom he can or can't sell his property then he doesn't really own it. But I agree it is a dilemma when the "buyer" is a douche.
Well, I get that. I guess I'm saying that home prices should be driven by consumers and consumer demand, not what hedge funds can squeeze after cornering a market.
 
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I've helped these developers on four occasions. Good money. And, they are awesome communities they are building.
 
Well, I get that. I guess I'm saying that home prices should be driven by consumers and consumer demand, not what hedge funds can squeeze after cornering a market.
It's a dilemma, but I tend to think a free marketplace will work things out quicker and more equitably than government interference. (I'm sure that comes as no surprise!)
 
It's a dilemma, but I tend to think a free marketplace will work things out quicker and more equitably than government interference. (I'm sure that comes as no surprise!)

"work things out quicker" -- agree on that one. They'll buy up all they can, destroy competition and insert monopoly.

"more equitably" -- if predation is equitable, maybe.
 
"work things out quicker" -- agree on that one. They'll buy up all they can, destroy competition and insert monopoly.

"more equitably" -- if predation is equitable, maybe.
In a true free market order it simply is not possible to destroy competition. There is a thing called “potential competitor” that is alway lurking in the background. If the “monopolist” gets too big for his britches there will be innumerable potential competitors that recognize his fatal mistake and will jump in with both feet,

As for “predation” that appears to be what we have now.
 
I bought numerous properties on the court house steps that had been foreclosed and were sold to the highest bidder for pennies on the dollar. In the beginning it was individual investors looking to increase their rental property holdings, a few flippers and the occasional person wanting to buy a home. After the first couple of years I started seeing investment company representatives that would buy every house they could get their hands on and were driving up the prices. They would continue to hold up their hand until they outbid everyone. More than once I bid on houses I had no intention of buying just to run the price up on those POS. Towards the end when there were not as many foreclosures the institutional investor went directly to the banks and cut the little guy out. Now days very few foreclosures are sold on the court house steps.
 
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As long as there is an insurance industry (which parks significant assets in real estate) and pension funds and REITs, competition will be fierce.
 
I bought numerous properties on the court house steps that had been foreclosed and were sold to the highest bidder for pennies on the dollar. In the beginning it was individual investors looking to increase their rental property holdings, a few flippers and the occasional person wanting to buy a home. After the first couple of years I started seeing investment company representatives that would buy every house they could get their hands on and were driving up the prices. They would continue to hold up their hand until they outbid everyone. More than once I bid on houses I had no intention of buying just to run the price up on those POS. Towards the end when there were not as many foreclosures the institutional investor went directly to the banks and cut the little guy out. Now days very few foreclosures are sold on the court house steps.

Tax sales, sheriff's sales, all that stuff in Oklahoma is dominated by professional investors now. Oil and gas development is widely funded by hedge funds now. Ditto for pipeline infrastructure.
 
Tax sales, sheriff's sales, all that stuff in Oklahoma is dominated by professional investors now. Oil and gas development is widely funded by hedge funds now. Ditto for pipeline infrastructure.
I know this is true, but it just doesn't seem right.
 
A majority of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Renting smooths out major housing repair and upkeep expenses. Stop pushing your values on others. At any point people can choose to start a plan to buy a house. They don’t need the government’s help.
As usual, you totally ignore the issue because your ox isn’t gored. Not everybody gets a free house on a dirt road.

I happen to love my 11 homes, so fvck that. How would YOU feel if the government limited you to owning 10 dildos?

What if your fat wife was limited to ten pieces of fried squirrel?
 
As usual, you totally ignore the issue because your ox isn’t gored. Not everybody gets a free house on a dirt road.

If I meet someone who got a free house I’ll pass that wisdom on, but your problem with generational wealth is someone has to go first. It’s people like you who think others are too incompetent to navigate our economic system when opportunity is around every corner.
 
If I meet someone who got a free house I’ll pass that wisdom on, but your problem with generational wealth is someone has to go first. It’s people like you who think others are too incompetent to navigate our economic system when opportunity is around every corner.
Its people like you that can't argue issues and instead impute the worst. It's the only political discourse you know.
 
Its people like you that can't argue issues and instead impute the worst. It's the only political discourse you know.


You are a whacked out leftist who is driven by emotion over logic. All the while living in the safe haven of the reddest state in the country. Your whole existence is just silly but that doesn’t stop you from lecturing others on what great socialist ideas you have. Get your ass to Atlanta and start getting folks on a plan to home ownership. These metro areas could really use some more good intentions, it’s working out well.
 
I don't know. Maybe no person can (directly or indirectly) own more than 10 homes. Good question.

Do you have a problem with deep pocket institutions or foreigners buying up homes and then cornering rental and sales markets in various places?
The Walton's, bill gates? Hello?
 
In a true free market order it simply is not possible to destroy competition. There is a thing called “potential competitor” that is alway lurking in the background. If the “monopolist” gets too big for his britches there will be innumerable potential competitors that recognize his fatal mistake and will jump in with both feet,

As for “predation” that appears to be what we have now.
Better believe Joe and Nanshee are on it.
 
You are a whacked out leftist who is driven by emotion over logic. All the while living in the safe haven of the reddest state in the country. Your whole existence is just silly but that doesn’t stop you from lecturing others on what great socialist ideas you have. Get your ass to Atlanta and start getting folks on a plan to home ownership. These metro areas could really use some more good intentions, it’s working out well.
You're a GIGO drone raised on free republican dogma and you were never taught to critically analyze anything. Your party has cratered Oklahoma education, engaged in cronyism and failed to attract industry in a historically unprecedented round of incompetence, so predictably you have another fresh round of answers.

P.S. You're also free to look at my signature if you'd like a reminder of objectively dismal judgment.
 
You're a GIGO drone raised on free republican dogma and you were never taught to critically analyze anything. Your party has cratered Oklahoma education, engaged in cronyism and failed to attract industry in a historically unprecedented round of incompetence, so predictably you have another fresh round of answers.

P.S. You're also free to look at my signature if you'd like a reminder of objectively dismal judgment.

And yet you choose to be here. Get your things, sell your house and leave. What a miserable person to willingly be surrounded by everything you hate.
 
@Syskatine I hear Baltimore is nice this time of year and maybe you could pass on some of those education policies you know so much about.

Education just wasn't in the cards for that herd. Saw their gubna on face the nation this morning. I can see why. They ain't no different from California.
 
And yet you choose to be here. Get your things, sell your house and leave. What a miserable person to willingly be surrounded by everything you hate.
Oh no, Whari. I spend a significant amount of time elsewhere.

Great response though, a keen insight to right wing "thought" -- we can keep everybody from lirnin' n' you can't stop us!!
 
@Syskatine I hear Baltimore is nice this time of year and maybe you could pass on some of those education policies you know so much about.

I'd take that to thr endless vistas of poverty, ignorance, sheet metal prosperity churches, and economic and cultural atrophy.
 
Tax sales, sheriff's sales, all that stuff in Oklahoma is dominated by professional investors now. Oil and gas development is widely funded by hedge funds now. Ditto for pipeline infrastructure.
Hedge funds?

Maybe PE and public markets but I don’t know of any hedge fund involvement outside of dabbling in publicly traded equities.
 
Hedge funds?

Maybe PE and public markets but I don’t know of any hedge fund involvement outside of dabbling in publicly traded equities.

Well, they're all over eastern oklahoma in oil and gas. It's not an opinion, it's fact.
 
Well that’s news to me. Got a link?

No, all I know is what my friends in the oil patch tell me. I think Bison is one of them and they were pretty aggressive with pipeline infrastructure in eastern oklahoma.
 
No, all I know is what my friends in the oil patch tell me. I think Bison is one of them and they were pretty aggressive with pipeline infrastructure in eastern oklahoma.
Sounds like you’re friends don’t know the difference between hedge funds and ice cream.

Bison is PE backed but their website is so awful they don’t even say.

I’ve worked oil and gas my entire career with most of it Oklahoma and I’ve NEVER heard of a hedge fund-backed oil and gas company. The concept doesn’t even make sense.
 
Sounds like you’re friends don’t know the difference between hedge funds and ice cream.

Bison is PE backed but their website is so awful they don’t even say.

I’ve worked oil and gas my entire career with most of it Oklahoma and I’ve NEVER heard of a hedge fund-backed oil and gas company. The concept doesn’t even make sense.
They make shit up.
 
Seems that some people don't know what hedge funds are. They stick with relatively liquid assets in the public market. PE funds will certainly invest in LP structures, although the universe investing in oil and gas continues to shrink due to investors' virtue signalling.
 
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