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Why the Kasich hate?

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I just don't get it. My only guess is people in OK and TX are simply that disconnected from the rest of the universe.

He's the only one that won't scare the $&#@ out of the American general election populace.


There is some real crazy going on. Idiocracy crazy.
 
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So we just want change?

Sounds like a catchy campaign tagline. Where have I heard that one?
 
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I don't know about hate, but I'm getting tired of his "my dad was a mailman" stories.

Viewing what's happening throughout the nation in the primary season, it looks like it's more than just OK and TX that's disconnected from the universe.
 
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I don't think anyone hates the guy but he rings no bell. That doesn't mean anyone is fired up about the other guys - just that he definitely is not going to move the needle in any way at all. Nothing about him says different, and yeah - Obama... hope.. change... and all that, but we still actually do still need different, and Kasich ain't that different.

It's really not an Oklahoma Texas thing either. The guy has won one state. One.
 
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Why Are George Soros-Linked Financiers Giving Big Bucks to Support John Kasich?

Feb. 12, 2016

Two Wall Street titans who helped financier George Soros make his billions have channeled hundreds of thousands of dollars into John Kasich's presidential bid. According to Federal Election Commission records, Scott Bessent, who was Soros' chief investment officer until December, last fall donated $200,000 to New Day for America, the pro-Kasich super-PAC. In August, Stanley Druckenmiller, who was Soros' lead fund manager from 1988 to 2000, donated $150,000 to the same super-PAC.

Given that Kasich, after retiring as a congressman in 2000, worked for seven years at Lehman Brothers, until its collapse in 2008, it's not surprising that the Ohio governor is an attractive investment for big finance guys.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/john-kasich-george-soros-fund-managers-donations
 
Deal breaker is in the first 100 days try to make illegal criminal border jumpers legal, screw him and his establishment backing/belief that we have to out lib liberals on certain issues.

I don't hate the guy either, I'd like to see this less as people in TX & OK are in a different universe, but more like we are above average intelligence and less inclined to be hoodwinked (Wyoming as well).

The fact that his only win so far is his own state, a tally that will remain the same shows you the guy has almost zero appeal outside his own states borders. That should be more of a concern than anything.
 
This is from his website. Some of the things that I find attractive about his platform.

In his first 100 days as President, John Kasich will send Congress a comprehensive plan that creates the climate for job creation by balancing the budget in eight years, cutting taxes for families and businesses, reining in federal regulations, tearing down barriers to increased energy production, and returning major federal responsibilities back to our states and communities where they can be performed more efficiently and responsively to serve Americans.

Education is Local: Education is a state and local issue and should not be micro-managed by the federal government. The teaching curricula, choice of textbooks, and lesson plans that local educators use are the responsibility of local school districts—not federal bureaucrats. New laws enacted in Ohio by Gov. Kasich effectively defend against the threat of federal intrusion and privacy abuses that have raised concerns nationwide. As President he would put these same approaches to work for every student.

A New, Conservative Vision: In Ohio, health care purchasers, health insurance plans, and providers realize the current system is unsustainable and are working–together with Gov. Kasich’s Administration–to explore new payment models that, instead of just rewarding volume, reward value that helps people stay healthier.

• Better primary care (patient-centered primary care): The first step is having a primary care system that helps promote long term good health instead of just reacting when someone gets sick. Ohio is working through its Medicaid system to encourage patient-centered primary care practices that go the extra distance to keep people healthy and thereby help control costs. Savings generated this way accrues, in part, to health insurance plans as avoided costs. To help incentivize more robust participation in this model,Ohio’s four largest commercial insurers—Anthem, Aetna, Medical Mutual and UnitedHealthcare—as well as Ohio’s five Medicaid managed care plans, are designing a system that also shares those savings with the providers whose work helps improve health and hold down costs.

• Rewarding value instead of volume (episode-based payments): Even with primary care payment reform, high-cost episodes will continue to account for most health spending. Today we pay for all of the inputs in these episodes separately, but if these inputs were considered as a whole then the providers involved would, similarly, work as a team to control costs and maximize quality. In a joint replacement, for example, surgeons, anesthesiologists, hospitals, device manufacturers, rehabilitation therapists, and drug makers all have separate roles and little incentive to worry about each other’s costs. Instead, what if the surgeon earned more for meeting high quality standards while also better managing the entire procedure in order to produce lower costs? Many providers are actually doing this today but the savings only accrue to the health insurance plan, not the high-value provider who generates it. In March, 2015, Ohio began working with our state’s four largest commercial insurers—Anthem, Aetna, Medical Mutual and UnitedHealthcare—and five Medicaid managed care plans, to set this model in motion for certain high-cost episodes.

Cutting Taxes by $5 Billion to Spur Job Creation: Since taking office, Gov. Kasich has enacted $5 billion in tax cuts, including eliminating the death tax, cutting the state income tax 16 percent, eliminating the income tax for many small businesses and providing targeted tax relief to low-and middle-income workers. During this same time, Ohio’s economy has gotten back on track, and after losing 350,000 jobs during the previous administration, Ohio is now up more than 300,000 private sector jobs and the unemployment rate remains below the national average.

The Largest Tax Cut in the Nation: Understanding that a more competitive tax environment is essential to job creation, Gov. John Kasich teamed up with Ohio’s legislature to cut taxes by $5 billion since 2011—the largest tax cut of any sitting governor. The elimination of the death tax, a 16 percent income tax cut and a complete phase out of income taxes for small businesses will free up more capital for growth and job creation.
 
I just don't get it. My only guess is people in OK and TX are simply that disconnected from the rest of the universe.

He's the only one that won't scare the $&#@ out of the American general election populace.


There is some real crazy going on. Idiocracy crazy.

Yep, Kasich has been killing it everywhere outside of OK and TX. his full-on embrace of Obamacare is the biggest thing I don't care for about him. I also don't agree with his immigration position, but at least he was honest and consistent about it.
 
Kasich loses me immediately on immigration. And he's part of the status quo. It is time to move the needle and get non-establishment candidates.

But if the republican candidate with the most delegates going into the convention doesn't come out as the party nominee then I'll vote 3rd party or not at all.
 
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Kasich loses me immediately on immigration. And he's part of the status quo. It is time to move the needle and get non-establishment candidates.

But if the republican candidate with the most delegates going into the convention doesn't come out as the party nominee then I'll vote 3rd party or not at all.


On "the republican candidate with the most delegates going into the convention" not getting the nomination thing -- I can kind of get where you (and others) are coming from who take this position, particularity after the last several years and election cycles. However, the rules of the nominating process say you do NOT clinch the nomination without gaining a majority of the delegates.

Abraham Lincoln did not garner a majority of votes originally cast during the nominating process in 1860, nor did James Garfield in 1880. A lot of Republican conventions were contested and had multiple ballots up until 1952.

The system was designed to make exactly what has occurred less likely. While Trump has indeed garnered the most delegates, he is still getting well below 50% of the vote. Think about it like this: If there were 3-4 truly viable candidates for the general election for President and none of them garnered > 50% of the electoral college votes, none of them would be elected President by the voters and the result would go to the House of Representatives to decide who would be President. it is a similar situation for similar reasons.
 
Kasich does not turn my stomach, and he was on my original list of "electable GOP candidates" early on. If he were nominated, I could vote for him. He is kinda like the former candidates, but different enough that he does not bother me. He has no chance, though.
 
Kasich isn't a conservative. Not sure what's confusing.

The Republicans have lost the last two elections running non-conservatives on the premise of electability.
 
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Wait.....Romney not conservative? McCain, you can make a decent case for that, but many here were trumpeting Romney as a real conservative last time.
 
Kasich isn't a conservative. Not sure what's confusing.

The Republicans have lost the last two elections running non-conservatives on the premise of electability.

Bingo! Not conservative doesn't disqualify him, but his whiney bitch crap got old a long time ago.
 
Wait.....Romney not conservative? McCain, you can make a decent case for that, but many here were trumpeting Romney as a real conservative last time.

I think it was a mixed bag actually. Some didn't like him at all and thought he was phony. Others thought his conversion on some issues (e.g. abortion) was genuine and that he was conservative enough, much better than McCain (he was), and wouldn't puss out against Obama. However, he IS a Republican from Massachusetts and he DID puss out when brass knuckles were necessary. He certainly wouldn't be described as especially conservative.
 
I can accept that, MJD. I remembered his religious and business experience as being seen as very conservative. I did try to wipe that election out of my mind with all the mental floss that i had, so my memory could be off.
 
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cheap shot on Oklahoma holds no water and megapube beat me to the punch. He won one state where he supposedly has an 80% approval rating, had won 12 straight elections in said state and somehow won only 40% of the republican vote Tuesday. Stupid Oklahoma.
 
The Republicans have lost the last two elections running non-conservatives on the premise of electability.
In fairness, I think Obama would've won the 2008 election no matter who the GOP nominee was. Sucks, but it was his election to lose.
 
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