What about the GOP attracts nazis and white supremacists?

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

CHICAGO — Illinois Republicans botched four opportunities to stop an avowed Nazi from representing their party in a Chicago-area congressional district.

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San Francisco -- The Republican candidate running to unseat the congressman who represents much of Contra Costa County is a Holocaust denier whose campaign website contains anti-Semitic and racist writings......
Fitzgerald, on his campaign website, espouses a series of anti-Semitic lies, including that Jews exploited the 9/11 attacks, that they control the U.S. media and banks, that they seek to dilute races and that the extermination of 6 million Jews by Nazi Germany was made up. The material was first reported by the website [URL='https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/07/03/gop-congressional-candidate-california-has-been-appearing-neo-nazi-podcasts/220588']Media Matters.[/URL]

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Paul Ryan’s Wisconsin district is up for the taking — and the Republican race to replace him has already been a “circus.”

A perennial Paul Ryan primary challenger, Paul Nehlen, a self-described “pro-White Christian American candidate,” was already running for the Republican nomination.

“I called it a circus because of the Randy Bryce-Paul Nehlen nonsense,” Mark Graul, a Wisconsin Republican strategist, said. “They have both tried to cash in that they are running against Paul Ryan. In Nehlen’s case, it has been to neo-Nazis, and in Bryce’s case it has been to celebrities in California.”

 

[Ponca Dan]

CHICAGO — Illinois Republicans botched four opportunities to stop an avowed Nazi from representing their party in a Chicago-area congressional district.

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San Francisco -- The Republican candidate running to unseat the congressman who represents much of Contra Costa County is a Holocaust denier whose campaign website contains anti-Semitic and racist writings......
Fitzgerald, on his campaign website, espouses a series of anti-Semitic lies, including that Jews exploited the 9/11 attacks, that they control the U.S. media and banks, that they seek to dilute races and that the extermination of 6 million Jews by Nazi Germany was made up. The material was first reported by the website Media Matters.

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Paul Ryan’s Wisconsin district is up for the taking — and the Republican race to replace him has already been a “circus.”

A perennial Paul Ryan primary challenger, Paul Nehlen, a self-described “pro-White Christian American candidate,” was already running for the Republican nomination.

“I called it a circus because of the Randy Bryce-Paul Nehlen nonsense,” Mark Graul, a Wisconsin Republican strategist, said. “They have both tried to cash in that they are running against Paul Ryan. In Nehlen’s case, it has been to neo-Nazis, and in Bryce’s case it has been to celebrities in California.”

Well there you have it. Undeniable proof. The Republicans are white supremacist Nazis . That’s something we’ve all known for a long time, but now it’s out in the open for all to see. The cleansing wash of transparency.

 

[my_2cents]

Well there you have it. Undeniable proof. The Republicans are white supremacist Nazis . That’s something we’ve all known for a long time, but now it’s out in the open for all to see. The cleansing wash of transparency.

For one who claims to not support either of the two major political parties, you sure do rush to the defense of Republicans (and even Trump) a lot on this board while attacking/questioning Democrats.

Do you care to actually answer sy's question? Or is sarcasm and deflection all you got?

 

[Been Jammin]

Well there you have it. Undeniable proof. The Republicans are white supremacist Nazis . That’s something we’ve all known for a long time, but now it’s out in the open for all to see. The cleansing wash of transparency.

Generalize and exaggerate much?

I think sys posed a fair question?

 

[Ponca Dan]

Generalize and exaggerate much?

I think sys posed a fair question?

Oh, I’m sorry, I thought I DID answer the question. Let me clarify. I believe white supremacists and Nazis are attracted to the Republican Party because the Republican Party obviously espouses white supremacist and Nazi ideology. Don’t you agree?

 

[Been Jammin]

Oh, I’m sorry, I thought I DID answer the question. Let me clarify. I believe white supremacists and Nazis are attracted to the Republican Party because the Republican Party obviously espouses white supremacist and Nazi ideology. Don’t you agree?

That is not the same as what you said in the previous post.

I would say that the GOP ideology is more closely aligned than the Dem ideology, but not all encompassing.

 

[Ponca Dan]

For one who claims to not support either of the two major political parties, you sure do rush to the defense of Republicans (and even Trump) a lot on this board while attacking/questioning Democrats.

Do you care to actually answer sy's question? Or is sarcasm and deflection all you got?

Yes, I can see where you would think that. It is easy to ignore the posts where I have argued with CBrad, Harry, Hans, OstateChi and others about Trump and Republicans. My fury over immigration policy and my advocacy of open borders have been buried under my adoration of all things right wing. My outright hostility toward Trump’s tariff policy has been hidden from sight. My disgust with Trump’s continuation of drone strikes and bombing, his silence against the atrocities being committed in Yemen, yes, those are things I have kept to myself as I say mean things about Democrats.

 

[Ponca Dan]

That is not the same as what you said in the previous post.

I would say that the GOP ideology is more closely aligned than the Dem ideology, but not all encompassing.

Sorry, Been, that was supposed to be in blue, but I don’t know how to put it in blue. For what it’s worth I despise both parties with equal zeal, just not necessarily for the same reason they despise each other.

 

[Ostatedchi]

I think sys posed a fair question?

The fact that you think the question is fair and not horribly biased shows again your lack of anything resembling wisdom.

 

[my_2cents]

The fact that you think the question is fair and not horribly biased shows again your lack of anything resembling wisdom.

No, it is a fair question given what we see occurring today (as sy noted). Just as it was a fair question at one time to ask the Democratic Party why it attracted white supremacists.

 

[purkey]

The fact that you think the question is fair and not horribly biased shows again your lack of anything resembling wisdom.

you can't carry on with these guys they are so far buried below floor level. I've tried.

 

[Ponca Dan]

No, it is a fair question given what we see occurring today (as sy noted). Just as it was a fair question at one time to ask the Democratic Party why it attracted white supremacists.

Interesting that you expect me to answer sys’s question, but you don’t think you need to. Why don’t you answer his very fair question?

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

The fact that you think the question is fair and not horribly biased shows again your lack of anything resembling wisdom.

Do you think those articles are hallucinations? Make believe? They are congressional candidates.

 

[Ostatedchi]

It isn't a fair question. It is the old "When did you stop beating your wife?" question. No matter if the accused never was a spouse abuser; the person is tainted with the accusation - regardless of guilt or innocence.

It's a BS question meant to taint all republicans with the racist label.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Do you think those articles are hallucinations? Make believe? They are congressional candidates.

Do you think those articles are hallucinations? Make believe? They are congressional candidates.

I believe every word of those articles. I answered your question. Twice. Why don’t you and 2cents answer your question? Or was it merely rhetorical and meant to put Republicans on the defensive? What do you think it is about Republicans that attracts white sypremacists and Nazis? I said I think it is Republican ideology is white supremacist and Nazi. Been thinks it’s just part of Republican ideology that connects with them (he didn’t say which part). You asked the question. You expect us to answer your question. Why don’t YOU answer your own question?

 

[my_2cents]

It's a BS question meant to taint all republicans with the racist label.

No it isn't. That is how you are taking it for some reason. Very defensive.

I don't think all Republicans are racist and I doubt sy thinks that either.

 

[Ostatedchi]

No it isn't. That is how you are taking it for some reason. Very defensive.

I don't think all Republicans are racist and I doubt sy thinks that either.

I'm sure you typed that with a straight face. Hell, you might even believe your own BS.

But, the question doesn't deserve an answer due to the bias..

 

[my_2cents]

I said I think it is Republican ideology is white supremacust and Nazi. Been thinks it’s just part of Republican ideology that connects with them (he didn’t say which part.

My position would be closer to Been. I don't think "Republican ideology" is white supremacist or Nazi. I think Republican ideology in the main is conservative and state-centered federalism. And of course there are other factions within the party, some stronger than others (social conservatives, libertarians, neocons, etc.).

With that said, there has been a strong turn in the party towards right-wing nationalism and populism under Trump. Nativist ideology has become more prominent under Trump as well. And this is what attracts white supremacists.

Trump's rhetoric and leadership of the Republican Party is changing the party. While there has always been a fringe element in the party (and also the Democratic Party), that fringe has become more normalized under Trump. How long this lasts and whether it is a permanent change is yet to be seen.

btw, some would argue that there has been a soft racism present in the Republican Party for a while. This may or may not be true. I don't think though that all Republicans are racist. I think there are many Republicans who are moderate and/or conservative and mean well. And they have serious concerns about the direction of the party.

 

[Medic007]

Do you think those articles are hallucinations? Make believe? They are congressional candidates.

There's a convicted murderer serving a life sentence in the Democratic primary for Senate in Minnesota. Why does the Democratic party attract murderers?

 

[wino]

Oh, I’m sorry, I thought I DID answer the question. Let me clarify. I believe white supremacists and Nazis are attracted to the Republican Party because the Republican Party obviously espouses white supremacist and Nazi ideology. Don’t you agree?

This reads like a petulant teenager who, when asked to keep quiet at a reasonably appropriate time, replies by telling mom & dad that she’ll just never speak again, ever.

 

[Ponca Dan]

My position would be closer to Been. I don't think "Republican ideology" is white supremacist or Nazi. I think Republican ideology in the main is conservative and state-centered federalism. And of course there are other factions within the party, some stronger than others (social conservatives, libertarians, neocons, etc.).

With that said, there has been a strong turn in the party towards right-wing nationalism and populism under Trump. Navistist ideology has become more prominent under Trump as well. And this is what attracts white supremacists.

Trump's rhetoric and leadership of the Republican Party is changing the party. While there has always been a fringe element in the party (and also the Democratic Party), that fringe has become more normalized under Trump. How long this lasts and whether it is a permanent change is yet to be seen.

btw, some would argue that there has been a soft racism present in the Republican Party for a while. This may or may not be true. I don't think though that all Republicans are racist. I think there are many Republicans who are moderate and/or conservative and mean well. And they have serious concerns about the direction of the party.

See, isn’t it better to offer up your own opinion rather than try subtle Alinsky-like subterfuge? I agree with virtually everything you wrote.

But you just couldn’t help yourself could you? You just had to throw in that last paragraph about how “some would argue ... “ The Akinsky influence runs deep within you, my friend!

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

Meanwhile, yesterday...

http://kelo.com/news/articles/2018/jul/18/bomb-antifa-connection-in-sioux-falls/

 

[Ponca Dan]

This reads like a petulant teenager, when asked to keep quiet at an appropriate time, replies by telling mom & dad that she’ll just never speak again, ever.

You nailed my personality! I’ve had my personality analyzed by almost everyone on this board. But no one came close until now. I’m a petulant 71 year old teenager! For my next act I’m going to hold my breath until I turn blue!

 

[wino]

You nailed my personality! I’ve had my personality analyzed by almost everyone on this board. But no one came close until now. I’m a petulant 71 year old teenager! For my next act I’m going to hold my breath until I turn blue!

Let us know how it turns out.

 

[my_2cents]

@Ponca Dan did you mean to respond to my last post?

 

[Ponca Dan]

@Ponca Dan did you mean to respond to my last post?

Yes. Damned phone!

 

[Ponca Dan]

Let us know how it turns out.

I’ve asked my wife to post my obituary in this board. I’ll show you!

 

[my_2cents]

See, isn’t it better to offer up your own opinion rather than try subtle Alinsky-like subterfuge? I agree with virtually everything you wrote.

But you just couldn’t help yourself could you? You just had to throw in that last paragraph about how “some would argue ... “ The Akinsky influence runs deep within you, my friend!

Can you not just drop the Alinsky foolishness? Alinsky is not hiding under every bed or, to quote you, hiding behind a tree outside the mall.

The reason I said that some would argue is because . . . some would argue. They do argue it. I see it and I hear it. I have discussions with others about it. And I mentioned it because it was relevant to what I was discussing.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

I'm sure you typed that with a straight face. Hell, you might even believe your own BS.

But, the question doesn't deserve an answer due to the bias..

There are three congressional candidates that have white supremacist positions. David Duke et al are loyal MAGA guys and love Trump. It's a fair question. At what point does it become a fair question?

I believe every word of those articles. I answered your question. Twice. Why don’t you and 2cents answer your question? Or was it merely rhetorical and meant to put Republicans on the defensive? What do you think it is about Republicans that attracts white sypremacists and Nazis? I said I think it is Republican ideology is white supremacist and Nazi. Been thinks it’s just part of Republican ideology that connects with them (he didn’t say which part). You asked the question. You expect us to answer your question. Why don’t YOU answer your own question?

Dan I can't tell the difference between your sarcasm and sincerity.

My answer to the extent I have one is along the lines of .02. I would add that there HAS been a soft GOP racism messaging for at least 30 years, starting with the Willie Horton ad and you see it on these boards. Part of it is the anti-intellectual bent like you demonstrated yesterday with the "I don't care" about metrics and discovering what works -- ignorance is a good breeding ground for racism. And when someone's entire ideology revolves around immediate self interest, it is a short journey to demonizing whoever they feel is a drain on their pocketbook.

Blacks' refusal to vote dem should tell you plenty. It's a real thing. They can see David Duke in his MAGA hat, and the mass shooters with their confederate and MAGA shit, what would you think? No, not all republicans are bigots. No, not all conservatives are bigots. But an awful lot of them deny a pretty bad problem in their own tent, to the point you wonder if it's not something they're tacitly endorsing.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

The Akinsky influence runs deep within you, my friend!

This is an example. Who told you about Saul Alinsky? I have dozens of opinionated, active, educated democrat friends and none of us have ever mentioned or even demonstrated awareness of Saul Alinsky. Who has conditioned you to believe that Saul Alinsky is relevant to all these people that have never heard about him? Are their candidates running for office that espouse his dogma?

 

[Medic007]

This is an example. Who told you about Saul Alinsky? I have dozens of opinionated, active, educated democrat friends and none of us have ever mentioned or even demonstrated awareness of Saul Alinsky. Who has conditioned you to believe that Saul Alinsky is relevant to all these people that have never heard about him? Are their candidates running for office that espouse his dogma?

Did you put any effort into researching Obama before you voted for him? How about Hillary? Or do you just vote for who the party tells you to?

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

There's a convicted murderer serving a life sentence in the Democratic primary for Senate in Minnesota. Why does the Democratic party attract murderers?

So at some point, when you get a body of work it becomes a fair question. I'm not convinced one guy really is a pattern. If he wins the nomination let's talk about it.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Did you put any effort into researching Obama before you voted for him? How about Hillary? Or do you just vote for who the party tells you to?

Well, first I'm curious if you apologized to Toon for lying about the female genital mutilation deal from yesterday. Did you ever find that quote?

 

[COWBOYintheUK]

It is not just the Republicans, its the extremes of both parties...the extreme left is just as bad as the extreme right

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

It is not just the Republicans, its the extremes of both parties...the extreme left is just as bad as the extreme right

Fair enough, but they don't have the parties' nominations and don't openly advocate a white supremacist position. When you have multiple congressional candidates that are viable, it's not really a fringe any more.

 

[COWBOYintheUK]

Fair enough, but they don't have the parties' nominations and don't openly advocate a white supremacist position. When you have multiple congressional candidates that are viable, it's not really a fringe any more.

I agree for the most part, but it also seems to go in cycles....I will say, President Trump has seemed to bring more out into the open, but its not a surprise when people David Duke sung his praises

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Here's one possible reason:

Results from four scientific surveys indicate that supporters of Donald Trump in 2016 were more likely than supporters of other Republican candidates to exhibit signs of authoritarian aggression and endorse group-based dominance. The research was published in the journal [URL='http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1948550618778290']Social Psychological and Personality Science.[/URL]

The study examined two ideological traits: Right Wing Authoritarianism, a personality trait that describes the tendency to submit to political authority and be hostile towards out-groups, and Social Dominance Orientation, a measure of a person’s preference for inequality among social groups.

The researchers conducted four studies throughout the course of the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign, which included a total of 5,255 individuals. They found that submissiveness to authorities, adherence to social norms, and anti-egalitarianism attitudes did not distinguish Trump supporters from supporters of other Republican candidates.

But the researchers found that aggressiveness directed against outgroups and group-based dominance was more common among Trump supporters compared to backers of other Republican candidates.

“Researchers have long been interested in psychological features that predict support for different political candidates. This question has almost always been considered in the context of support for Republican vs. Democratic candidates. And, the research has consistently shown that right-wing authoritarianism is associated with support for Republicans over support for Democrats,” Womick told PsyPost.

“What was interesting about our current research was that we were able to measure variables that predicted support for one Republican candidate over other Republican candidates. In this way, we were able to test whether or not Trump was truly an atypical candidate for President. With regard to general right-wing authoritarianism, and anti-egalitarianism, he was not atypical.”

“Overall right-wing authoritarianism and anti-egalitarianism did not distinguish support for Trump from that for other Republican candidates (including Cruz, Rubio, Carson, and Bush). Rather, support for Trump was, in a unique way, associated with authoritarian aggression, and group-based dominance,” Womick explained.

In other words, Trump supporters were more likely to agree with statements such as “Some groups of people are simply inferior to other groups”, “What our country needs instead of more ‘civil rights’ is a good stiff dose of law and order”, and “Some groups of people must be kept in their place.”

“So, compared to supporters of other Republicans, Trump supporters were more likely to endorse group-based hierarchies, and the use of violent means to maintain them. In many ways, Trump’s campaign was consistent with these themes. While those themes were shocking to some Americans, they were consistent with the values of his supporters,” Womick noted.
www.psypost.org/2018/07/authoritarian-aggression-and-group-based-dominance-distinguished-trump-supporters-from-other-republicans-in-2016-51821

 

[Medic007]

Well, first I'm curious if you apologized to Toon for lying about the female genital mutilation deal from yesterday. Did you ever find that quote?

That's in another thread. Let's stay on topic in this one. Did you do any research on Obama and Hillary before you voted for them?

 

[my_2cents]

Did you do any research on Obama and Hillary before you voted for them?

Did you do any research on Sanders before you voted for him?

 

[Medic007]

Did you do any research on Sanders before you voted for him?

Yep. Your point?