Well, well, well.....Russian dossier was.....

[JimmyBob]

financed by Cankles Campaign/DNC. In my best Jim Nabors voice, surprise, surprise, surprise:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.ceae9ac11845

 

[imprimis]

This is why Fusion GPS took the 5th before the House committee and why they are terrified of having to turn over their bank records. Those records have names, likely very prominent names, on the bottoms of their checks.

 

[Alpha Poke]

They will all be @died in a couple days.

 

[Headhunter]

This is why Fusion GPS took the 5th before the House committee and why they are terrified of having to turn over their bank records. Those records have names, likely very prominent names, on the bottoms of their checks.

The official line is that if their clients are exposed no one will do business with them.

My official line is if you sell fake sleazy information and your clients know they are buying fake sleazy information hell no they don't want their names exposed.

 

[OKSTATE1]

They will all be @died in a couple days.

Before that happens they will be told if they have sex with them their life will be spared.

 

[OKSTATE1]

 

[davidallen]

Tell me if I get this straight - fake news about HRC is all good cause you know HRC. Opposition Research with questionable bits is heretical. This is not a double standard or example of tribal politics because you know HRC. Do I have that right?

 

[CowboyJD]

It is interesting that the failing fakenews Washington Post is the one dropping this bombshell.

 

[OKSTATE1]

Tell me if I get this straight - fake news about HRC is all good cause you know HRC. Opposition Research with questionable bits is heretical. This is not a double standard or example of tribal politics because you know HRC. Do I have that right?

All that matters is what you believe, what do you believe about Russia and US political ties to Russia. Forget MSM, and politics, what do you believe?

 

[Headhunter]

It is interesting that the failing fakenews Washington Post is the one dropping this bombshell.

Because if a Democrat/Hillary propaganda, defender machine is confirming what has been reported on conservative sites for years it must be undeniable.

 

[OKSTATE1]

Tell you what I believe, they are going to create smoke on both sides of the aisle, some of that smoke will be in fact true. However, each side is just creating leverage. At some point there will be a stare down to see if any side goes nuclear, if one side does the other will and perhaps we get the swamp drained, Dems and Reps. I do not believe in the DOJ or the FBI. They will play the political game. Neither side goes nuclear, the dirt gets swept under the carpet. Mutual dirt has been created to keep the clear party lines drawn and each side of the aisle can walk away thinking they kept their base of voters. Our politicians are crooks. Those charged with enforcing the laws today are all politicians , no more oversight.

 

[TMill16]

Can somebody explain to me like I'm a 5 year old? And is it illegal?

 

[JimmyBob]

Tell you what I believe, they are going to create smoke on both sides of the aisle, some of that smoke will be in fact true. However, each side is just creating leverage. At some point there will be a stare down to see if any side goes nuclear, if one side does the other will and perhaps we get the swamp drained, Dems and Reps. I do not believe in the DOJ or the FBI. They will play the political game. Neither side goes nuclear, the dirt gets swept under the carpet. Mutual dirt has been created to keep the clear party lines drawn and each side of the aisle can walk away thinking they kept their base of voters. Our politicians are crooks. Those charged with enforcing the laws today are all politicians , no more oversight.

As a cynical bastard, I can see your points; however, I think the left/media has twisted karma's titty too far over this Trump/Russia straw man, and she's pissed. It will be interesting to see if the NDA on the informant is lifted tomorrow; that will be telling whichever way it goes.

 

[okstatefan1]

It is interesting that the failing fakenews Washington Post is the one dropping this bombshell.

Yup. Kinda like when OSU fans say ou sucks, no one believes it.....but when ou fans say ou sucks, er’body like.....Damn, they do suck.

 

[WCPoke]

financed by Cankles Campaign/DNC. In my best Jim Nabors voice, surprise, surprise, surprise:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.ceae9ac11845

She still lost and it’s going to be a long 8 years for democrats. A few of our resident libs should survive as they are OSU fans and patience is in our DNA. President Trump is benefiting from the Democratic Party’s self destructive behavior. At this point, Dems should do the opposite of their first instinct (George from Seinfeld).

 

[Medic007]

Tell me if I get this straight - fake news about HRC is all good cause you know HRC. Opposition Research with questionable bits is heretical. This is not a double standard or example of tribal politics because you know HRC. Do I have that right?

You voted for her because she was a terrible candidate for president. Amiwrong?

 

[davidallen]

You voted for her because she was a terrible candidate for president. Amiwrong?

She was the less terrible but pretty terrible. #amiright?

 

[Alpha Poke]

No, she was more of the same.

 

[CowboyJD]

Because if a Democrat/Hillary propaganda, defender machine is confirming what has been reported on conservative sites for years it must be undeniable.

Why would a "Democrat/Hillary propaganda, defender machine EVER confirm what has been reported on conservative sites"? Answer...if it was such an animal...it wouldn't. It would fake news it up some more.

So pro-Trump/Anti-Hillary = real news. Anti-Trump = fake news. By Trumpet definition.

The twist and turns of logic you Trumpies go through will never cease to amaze me.

 

[windriverrange]

JD, while I don't consider myself a "Trumpie," potentially what is happening here is some of these more left-leaning rags see the writing on the wall, in that the previous narrative(s) is/are going to fall apart. So they are starting to cover their bases by being more proactive, in reporting stories that are potentially harmful to people/groups they have previously (and unabashedly) carried water for. In the end (all political groups seem to ascribe to this so no reason newspapers wouldn't) you can throw some people/some groups under the bus, to reatain the overall integrity of the movement/ideology and "appear" completely unbiased......even if you are late to the game and have being continuously pummeling the same target for days/weeks/months/years.

As I look around now, it appears HRC, Podesta, The Russian Narrative will cause more harm then good if continually pursued and the left needs these issues to go away for the upcoming mid-terms. So sacrifice a few old has-beens, look impartial and promote the gaggle over the individual.

Anyway, that is all I have.....

 

[imprimis]

JD, while I don't consider myself a "Trumpie," potentially what is happening here is some of these more left-leaning rags see the writing on the wall, in that the previous narrative(s) is/are going to fall apart. So they are starting to cover their bases by being more proactive, in reporting stories that are potentially harmful to people/groups they have previously (and unabashedly) carried water for. In the end (all political groups seem to ascribe to this so no reason newspapers wouldn't) you can throw some people/some groups under the bus, to reatain the overall integrity of the movement/ideology and "appear" completely unbiased......even if you are late to the game and have being continuously pummeling the same target for days/weeks/months/years.

As I look around now, it appears HRC, Podesta, The Russian Narrative will cause more harm then good if continually pursued and the left needs these issues to go away for the upcoming mid-terms. So sacrifice a few old has-beens, look impartial and promote the gaggle over the individual.

Anyway, that is all I have.....

Thank you. You have saved my fingers a lot of wear and tear.

 

[CowboyJD]

JD, while I don't consider myself a "Trumpie," potentially what is happening here is some of these more left-leaning rags see the writing on the wall, in that the previous narrative(s) is/are going to fall apart. So they are starting to cover their bases by being more proactive, in reporting stories that are potentially harmful to people/groups they have previously (and unabashedly) carried water for. In the end (all political groups seem to ascribe to this so no reason newspapers wouldn't) you can throw some people/some groups under the bus, to reatain the overall integrity of the movement/ideology and "appear" completely unbiased......even if you are late to the game and have being continuously pummeling the same target for days/weeks/months/years.

As I look around now, it appears HRC, Podesta, The Russian Narrative will cause more harm then good if continually pursued and the left needs these issues to go away for the upcoming mid-terms. So sacrifice a few old has-beens, look impartial and promote the gaggle over the individual.

Anyway, that is all I have.....

In other words, they are being a Democrat/Hilary propaganda machine defender....by reporting negative stories about the DNC and their conduct.

Got it.

But that all ignores the fact that NYT and WashingtonPost have consistently reported these types of things through the year. It's only when an article critical of Trump comes out that the Trumpies proclaim #fakenews. They're all in on the legitimacy when it's not critical of Trump and is critical of Democrats a Hillary.

I get claiming that news media is biased. Hell, I believe that. I believe pretty much ALL OF THEM are biased one way or the other.

Where it goes a bridge too far, and Trumpies jump the shark, is when they promote and proclaim the news from "conservative sites" as the unvarnished, unbiased "truth" (they're "conservative sites"...of course they're biased too) and any other report from any other MSM source contrary to their established feelings about Trump is instantly fake news....but the ones that confirm their own bias from those same sources is instantly legitimate to them.

 

[CowboyJD]

Tell you what I believe, they are going to create smoke on both sides of the aisle, some of that smoke will be in fact true. However, each side is just creating leverage.

This.

Anybody that proclaims or believes that reporting from "their" side of the media is reporting the unvarnished, unbiased truth and the other side is just fake news....except when it confirms their own bias...is twisting in the wind logically.

It happens on both sides.

Trumpies = MSM is all fake news....until it agrees with the supposedly unbiased unvarnished truth they are reading and agreeing with conservative sites.

Hilleryites and Obamoids = MSM is the unbiased unvarnished truth...until it comes after them like the conservative sites.

It just gets incredibly old.

 

[Alpha Poke]

The story is officially out of their control and the next step is to dump everything that's wrong with the party at her feet.

 

[Rdcldad]

credit to windriver

fake news isn't in the conversation if trump hadn't miraculously survived the election despite the full court press against him

this pathetic attempt to re-brand as a news source in the weeks following videos surfacing of the nyt editors unabashed
anti-trump agenda wreaks as survival and akin to eating their own.

sure it goes too far when proclaiming your teams news as the only news

but the treasure is "fake news" is now part of the conversation, not just for those sporting
tin foil hats or who once were branded and cut from the heard as conspiracy theorists.

again it circles back to the lasting gifts of the trump presidency

1. gorsich
2. destruction of fake news
3. evisceration of hildecankles her ilk
and americas movement toward socialism

 

[windriverrange]

JD, I actually think they are in the middle of throwing HRC and others overboard. Agreed, some of them are democratic propaganda machines, as some are conservative propaganda machines and they definitely have dogs in the hunt.

I have to admit though, my reading of much of any news now is limited to some of the more "international" sites, Intellicast, history books and the corral. Otherwise I am dam near completely worn out even though from time to time I post articles here.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...l-over-trump-dossier-pushback/article/2638531

 

[Alpha Poke]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...l-over-trump-dossier-pushback/article/2638531

The Weinsteining begins.

 

[MegaPoke]

Which is fake news here?

 

[NZ Poke]

It's a very good question --- asking why news sources (WAPO / NYT) and certain reporters working for them came out with a devastating news story like this. (and are actively promoting the story on social media, in the weeks following the also-devastating Weinstein story)


The WAPO and NYT (two of our very greatest newspapers, historically) were shown through many different Wikileaks emails to have been actively collaborating (not simply reporting favorably) with the Hillary campaign and DNC.


I think they're trying to save their own asses (by appearing more credible and balanced), for when other shit comes out that they've been hiding. (Hint: much worse than Weinstein)


Remember: these newspapers (NYT and WAPO) essentially acted as Bush administration spokespeople in the run-up to the Iraq war (and were never held accountable for helping lead us into that catastrophe).


Their 2016 election predictions were also humiliatingly wrong (yet they dove straight into 'Russia' obsession -- also proving to be a fraud), and they hid Harvey Weinstein story for decades. There are many other examples of self-created blunders and distortions.


Also consider that few (if any) of the people who helped humiliate these once-great American institutions were ever fired for it.

 

[CowboyJD]

JD, I actually think they are in the middle of throwing HRC and others overboard. Agreed, some of them are democratic propaganda machines, as some are conservative propaganda machines and they definitely have dogs in the hunt.

I have to admit though, my reading of much of any news now is limited to some of the more "international" sites, Intellicast, history books and the corral. Otherwise I am dam near completely worn out even though from time to time I post articles here.

Agreed.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

 

[aix_xpert]

Legal question...given how this dossier was funded, how much could Mueller actually use against Trump in his investigation? Is it not basically Fruit of a poison tree? I'm not judging its accuracy, but this dossier has to be viewed with as much trepidation as a global warming study done by an oil company, correct?

 

[CowboyJD]

Legal question...given how this dossier was funded, how much could Mueller actually use against Trump in his investigation? Is it not basically Fruit of a poison tree? I'm not judging its accuracy, but this dossier has to be viewed with as much trepidation as a global warming study done by an oil company, correct?

It's not fruit of the poisonous tree as that term is used in the law (i.e. You violated someone's constitutional rights [the tree] so you can't use any of what you obtained from the violation or anything that information led to [the fruit]).

In my opinion, it's more of a credibility issue using it than anything else. Like you said, its credibility and accuracy is very suspect....pretty much always has been. They would also have all kinds of hearsay issues that would keep them from actually using the actual document as evidence in a prosecution.

That being said, if allegations asserted in it are independently corroborated and proven...that evidence would be admissible. Keep in mind that Slick Willie was impeached on what started out as oppo research (Paula Jones) + him lying about it under oath.

 

[aix_xpert]

It's not fruit of the poisonous tree as that term is used in the law (i.e. You violated someone's constitutional rights [the tree] so you can't use any of what you obtained from the violation or anything that information led to [the fruit]).

In my opinion, it's more of a credibility issue using it than anything else. Like you said, its credibility and accuracy is very suspect....pretty much always has been. They would also have all kinds of hearsay issues that would keep them from actually using the actual document as evidence in a prosecution.

That being said, if allegations asserted in it are independently corroborated and proven...that evidence would be admissible. Keep in mind that Slick Willie was impeached on what started out as oppo research (Paula Jones) + him lying about it under oath.

Fair enough. Thanks.

 

[CowboyJD]

Fair enough. Thanks.

You're welcome.

 

[purkey]

it won't matter...that russia crap the democrats were hoping for was all fluff anyway....there is nothing to it.
Just to clarify, HRC and probably bill should both be in prison. Those are 2 of the dirtiest politicians, dirtiest crooks, in the world. Slime is a compliment for them.

 

[Rdcldad]

i don't think the dems were hoping for fruit

simply a delay tactic to poison trumps momentum on moving maga forward

let me rephrase because at this point i think repubtards were sitting in the shadows rooting for a pence take over on account of russia dealings as well

 

[purkey]

i don't think many took the russia crap to serious....it's just slinging crap on the wall creating a distraction until another opportunity presents itself. Another one did!

 

[NZ Poke]

i don't think the dems were hoping for fruit

simply a delay tactic to poison trumps momentum on moving maga forward

let me rephrase because at this point i think repubtards were sitting in the shadows rooting for a pence take over on account of russia dealings as well

Valid perspective