Was Obama a good president?
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Big, he wasn't a total dumb ass, as total dumb asses don't fly US Military Jet Fighters. As far as the ubiquitous "neo-con" tag, he went into both Afghanistan and Iraq with almost total support of all members of Congress (many of the people who now criticized him believed the same stuff he did and acted on. I've posted the list of their quotes previously). People only started backing out when things weren't going well (typical political whore move BTW) and the media fell in line (shocker) by starting things like covering that crazy ass chick outside his ranch.....who mysteriously disappeared while the ex-rodent in chief was in office and continuing the war efforts.
Wasn't a fan of going into Iraq and thought we should have tactical nuked Tora Bora when Bin Laden was there with the majority of his fighters. I'm definitely not a fan of Bush I or Bush II. But W showed some balls by listening to his advisors and committing to the surge, guarantee you the nut less, spine less, dick less ex-rodent in chief wouldn't have done that! So I'll give him a ton of credit there.
The major difference in most of these lists is that the media clearly gave some individuals a pass on ridiculous comments (ISIS is the JV) and excoriated others on similar comments (Mission accomplished).
I've said it here before, if you go to war, you go total all out to win, world opinion be dammed and I'm not talking about burning down villages with women and kids either (Old Testament and Russian style), but bring all forces to bear, drop ridiculous ROE's and kill the enemy, knock out his sources of sanctuary and their arms suppliers (even covertly if necessary). Strangle them in the field and at their financial roots. If you are not going to do this, then you have no business committing US military personnel or money to such an effort.
Agree with JD's ranking though, both the Bush's were mediocre at best.
Once all the promises have been exposed and some weasel writes a tell all, the ex-rodent in chief will go down as one of the worst presidents ever....in the same group as Grant, Carter and that lying racist POS LBJ.
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There is plenty of racism in law enforcement. Oklahoma is a prime example...good ole boy networks with a lack of diversity. It is a problem. To deny that is nonsense.
I understand your point about the message, but the reality is he’s right.
She didn’t abuse the NSA data base, that we know of.
Sure, she was involved in misinfo to the state dept and
She may have been an intended beneficiary but she didn’t authorize or tap into it. At least I do not think she did.
She wasn’t the one obstructing LE from taking down Hezbollah and their drug/weapon trafficking and money laundering.
She didn’t play a role in the Iran deal which paid over a billion in unmarked bills, mostly euro, to Iran in “interest.”
Please provide examples of institutional racism in LE
Carter has been using the Logan Act as toilet paper for more than 30 years. Not sure if I would call him humble
To be clear, the corruption you detail here is Obama playing a key role in using the apparatus of the state to bring down candidate/pres elect Trump?
You are dreaming here, which makes me trust you less on the other stuff.
Afghanistan authorization passed 98 to zero in Senate and 420-1 in House.
Iraq passed 77-23 in Senate and 297-133 in House. With majority of Senate Dems even voting yes.
No, the interviewer asked if it was about race. He is not the one that made it about race.
Is a lot more reasonable if the question is "Do you think Angela Merkel's decision to use gas chamber's is related to her being a Nazi"
@davidallen what are your thoughts here? I haven't been of age for many presidents so it's hard for me to compare.
History will likely judge him a top ten with much credit given for having broken the race barrier. Seems fair to me. Most misunderstand / under estimate the depth and potential severity of the financial crisis and the execution that resulted in nearly a decade of continuous growth, his single greatest accomplishment IMO.
From most accounts other than his Habitat for Humanity leadership he's a complete asshole, who is possibly the biggest narcissist of all living ex-Presidents.
Do a little research and see what you find: some search terms to combine with Jimma: Ed Koch, Secret Service Agent, Clinton Administration Foreign Policy Advisors, anti-semitism, jews, Israel
This interview: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/09/jimmy-carter-my-role-is-superi.html
This editorial: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/09/jimmy_carters_superiority.html
All this doesn't "prove" he's a jerk, but it indicates that a sizeable portion of people, many of whom know him a lot better than the rank and file American, believe that he is.
Middle East Peace negotiation isn't easy and will make enemies... Outside that it is petty BS.
Oh, you mean overall. I thought you meant Iran Contra vs Hezbollah
Hezbollah problem, Benghazi, using government sources to spy on the opposition party, facebook database - his org has it......still, uranium one etc.
I'm not going to sit down and type out the details for you. Step outside of the MSM and do the research.
He's going to go down as the most corrupt on history.
I thought you might have some inside info or at least a good story one can only get from 4chan or something.
"Everyone will be finding out soon"
Is a lot of hype for a list of things a foxnews grandpa could give me.
For Pilt
Democrat Quotes on Iraq
Weapons of Mass Destruction
Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
-- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.""Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001 "I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
-- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." "
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Edward Kennedy (D, MA) Sep. 27, 2002
"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
-- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002 "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction." -- Senator John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002
"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
-- Sen. Harry Reid (D. NV) Oct. 9, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons." -- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening.
-- Rep. Richard Gephardt (D, MT) Nov. 2, 2003
Pilt I said "almost total support" re Iraq, in the world of politics 77-23 is over 75%, which is dam near total support! The house was 55%, so a majority. Afghanistan was a complete MAJORITY! You can glibly try to parse the "exact" meaning of each word, but you make yourself look foolish. The above are quotes from some of your hero's am sure.....
Democrat Quotes on Iraq
Weapons of Mass Destruction
Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
-- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.""Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001 "I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
-- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." "
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Edward Kennedy (D, MA) Sep. 27, 2002
"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
-- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002 "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction." -- Senator John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002
"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
-- Sen. Harry Reid (D. NV) Oct. 9, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons." -- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening.
-- Rep. Richard Gephardt (D, MT) Nov. 2, 2003
Pilt I said "almost total support" re Iraq, in the world of politics 77-23 is over 75%, which is dam near total support! The house was 55%, so a majority. Afghanistan was a complete MAJORITY! You can glibly try to parse the "exact" meaning of each word, but you make yourself look foolish. The above are quotes from some of your hero's am sure.....
Wow, quoting the biggest cowards in history as some kind of hindsight is 20/20 excuse for the iraq war is bullshit. The biggest protests ever in the US were in the run up to the war in Iraq. It was transparently built on lies and it was obvious at the time. 94-6 is almost total support. Twenty three votes against in that political climate against the president with the highest approval rating of all time is not almost total support. If you were in support of the war in Iraq you are as big of a fool as these cowardly Democrats you quote.
Oh, you mean overall. I thought compared to Hezbollah specifically.
Not that you give a shit.
But who was a centerpiece in congressional testimony pushing those lies?
Robert Mueller.
2003 Mueller = liar
2017 Mueller = honorable savior from the evil Drumpf
Savior? No. But I do think he’s trying to do an honest job in this investigation and it won’t go the way like breaks hope it goes. If he’s anyone savior he’s the TDS crowds savior
Yes, that’s it...it’s been the “left” who always brings up the Podestas.
Oh wait...it’s you. Always. Maybe you’re just a little more enamored with them than you put on lol.
Carry on.
I cannot imagine how it must be to wake up this fvckin dumb every day
You moron, it was a reference to all of you useful idiots clamoring about Mueller is gonna being trump down
And yes, I despise the Pedo-podestas. Sick fvcks who deserve seriously painful deaths
Maybe he was given a deal he could not refuse?
Maybe he was forced to lie and he’s still bitter.
I don’t know. I just think he’s doing the right thing.
Would you be happier if I was like Hannity screaming about Mueller being on a witch hunt?
Would that be better for your world view?
Not gonna happen. Sorry, not sorry
Liberals - ignorant or hopelessly naive for thinking Mueller has integrity after he lied about Iraq
DrunkenViking- actually quite savvy and wise for thinking Mueller has integrity after he lied about Iraq
Nice spin
It’s funny that he’s their great white hope. Watch them turn when when Flynn charges are dropped and Mueller finds Trump not guilty
I’m actually giving the guy the benefit of the doubt. If I’m wrong I’m not gonna turn on the guy.
