What was that claim again? You going to run through the whole bible over murder vs killing?
Wanna watch the board's conservative Catholics defy the Church?
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LOl awful look. Dude went to the good book and you went schizo.What was that claim again? You going to run through the whole bible over murder vs killing?
So then, you have no problem with Catholics picking and choosing what they believe in these instances, correct?
You gave this claim. I challenged this claim with some simple questions. You have yet to answer those questions and are running away from the conversation now.
You literally broke one of the Ten Commandments on the other thread.
Maybe stop casting stones at other people when it comes to breaking God's rules?
So you would know how to divvy God's punishment better then him? Seems like a question after you die and are on your way to hell right?
Anyways lets go:
Numbers 5:11-31 (now we will look at the whole verse rather then cherry pick a line or two.)
Ok God told @my_2cents its ok to kill babies because of the old law?
Are you God?
Before I progress, I would like this answered because it will tell a lot. Do you think you are smarter then God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit?
Exodus 21:22-25 (same applies whole verses)
KISS answer: One act is done under sin while the other is a sinful act. I would say ripping a child out of the womb simply as a means of birth control is sinful.
Yes, Numbers 5:11-32, which is the whole passage I asked about.
With that said, you didn't give your thoughts on this passage. But reading your question in hopes of establishing your position, is this what you think God is doing in that passage, giving permission to kill a fetus? Simple yes or no is all that is needed.
Which act in Exodus 21:22-25 is "done under sin" and which act is "a sinful act"? Do you believe that God makes a distinction between these two acts in this passage?
So it looks like the USCCB wants to punish law abiding gun owners for the actions of a minuscule number of evil people. Seems like they view society as a collective, rather than individuals possessing free will, as we were taught in 13 years of catholic school.
Jesus is my Sabbath rest. Christians now have a ceremonial day that they worship God, Sunday. Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth found in the shadow of the Jewish Sabbath, as does Jesus.
Col. 2:16-17
LOL can we first resolve if it's a "Baby" or an embryo?
You gotta pre-suppose that's equivalent to a human life. You were spoon fed scriptures on that very issue and you went bongwater on us. Let's back up and you respond to his citation of scripture that should inform the decision of a purported christian like you.
No, they’re just woke dumbfvcks. At least the majority are.
BTW, you dodged the point, as usual.
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Just admit it. You despise every Catholic who disagrees with your American political ideology.
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I've responded to every question you have asked.
Well, my political ideology is based in my catholic education, so people who disagree with it are pretty much immoral, just like you are on abortion.
And many Catholics who have received Catholic education don't share your political ideology and would claim their political ideology is based on their education as well. Including the Bishops and other leaders of the Church you attack everytime they challenge your political ideology.
What?
Again, which act in Exodus 21:22-25 is "done under sin" and which act is "a sinful act"? Do you believe that God makes a distinction between these two acts in this passage?
And they would say you are wrong. See how this foolishness words?
Here is a radical idea (one that Jesus gave us). Focus on your own relationship with Christ and His Church and let God deal with everyone else. Follow the two greatest commandments Jesus gave us. Love God and love your neighbor.
God commands us to love everyone, but he doesn't require us to like anyone. And if someone is wrong, I'm going to point it out.
That are different thus not comparable. Also you are the only here questioning God lets make that very very very clear.
I think killing an innocent baby in a womb is immoral. Even in my heathen days I found it immoral. Before faith I found it immoral. Snorting coke up my nose I found it immoral.
If you want to debate life then that is the only ground you have with me. Debating the Bible to justify God is rather odd on if killing a child for birth control is acceptable. If God says this child dies and this one lives (happens every day) then who am I to question his big picture?
>1% chance my kid would live and God preform a miracle for a POS dad who fell to his knees in an attic one December. Why he did this for me but didn't save my wife's father who's family lived an outstanding life walking in faith I will never know but trust me I am asking in Heaven.
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I agree the two acts discussed in that Exodus passage are different. Why are they different though?That is what I am trying to get you to explain so I can understand your thoughts on this passage.
Why does God recognize those two acts as being different and thus provides different punishment?
I am not questining God. I am simply responding to your original claim by presenting other biblical passages to consider and asking you to explain how you interpret those passages. I am trying to have a reasonable discussion with you about what the Bible actually says regarding your previous claim and this issue.
The words of Jesus...
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:38-48)
I don't know ask him. Why do you cherry pick discussions and avoid the hard questions? Quote the whole message and answer it.
@my_2cents why avoid this post?
That are different thus not comparable. Also you are the only here questioning God lets make that very very very clear.
I think killing an innocent baby in a womb is immoral. Even in my heathen days I found it immoral. Before faith I found it immoral. Snorting coke up my nose I found it immoral.
If you want to debate life then that is the only ground you have with me. Debating the Bible to justify God is rather odd on if killing a child for birth control is acceptable. If God says this child dies and this one lives (happens every day) then who am I to question his big picture?
>1% chance my kid would live and God preform a miracle for a POS dad who fell to his knees in an attic one December. Why he did this for me but didn't save my wife's father who's family lived an outstanding life walking in faith I will never know but trust me I am asking in Heaven.
That are different thus not comparable. Also you are the only here questioning God lets make that very very very clear.
I think killing an innocent baby in a womb is immoral. Even in my heathen days I found it immoral. Before faith I found it immoral. Snorting coke up my nose I found it immoral.
If you want to debate life then that is the only ground you have with me. Debating the Bible to justify God is rather odd on if killing a child for birth control is acceptable. If God says this child dies and this one lives (happens every day) then who am I to question his big picture?
>1% chance my kid would live and God preform a miracle for a POS dad who fell to his knees in an attic one December. Why he did this for me but didn't save my wife's father who's family lived an outstanding life walking in faith I will never know but trust me I am asking in Heaven.
Thank you, that is all you had to post.
God is not treating these two acts in that Exodus passage the same, as you even admitted. If a woman is struck and the resulting harm is a miscarriage, one punishment is given. However, if the woman herself is harmed (killed), then the civil law of an eye for an eye is to be followed. God is making a distinction between harm to the fetus and harm to the living breathing woman. And some Christians interpret this to show that a fetus does not have the same status before God that a person who has been born does. This is just one example of why your original claim was false. Nothing has been settled here. Christians disagree.
Regarding the passage in Numbers, that passage is speaking of the ordeal of the bitter water. And some Christians believe God provided a ritual that would result in abortion with the ordeal of the bitter water. Note, I said some Christians. This passage is greatly debated. However, once again, this is another example of why your orginal claim was false. Nothing has been settled here. Christians disagree.
We could also move on to a discussion of how some Christians and other people of faith believe life begins at first breath, not at conception. There are passages in the Bible that are used to support this position. Also, some Christians and other people of faith believe that life begins at quickening, not at conception. Indeed, this belief has long been present among Christians and this was the common law position.
There is so much here that Christians and other people of faith disagree on. So to claim that "tho shall not kill took care of it" is false. That commandment didn't take care of anything as it relates to the issue of abortion.
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Lol you really having a hard time reading. You are not bullying me and making bend to your ideas it’s ok we are different. You know what is weird I have yet to quote any scripture to change you and make you my idea of ideal. That is what differentiates us. I trust in God and his knowledge not my own. Thanks though I guess you like every other dipshit on Facebook posting about how great they are for a pat on the back you must seek that here. Well kudos you found a way to justify your killing of fetus’s. Do you keep on and when we die we will see who was right? Far enough?
I like the whole story not one line from a chapter. Cherry cherry cherry picker oh how like Putin you shoot down on others
I'm not trying to change you. I'm simply having a discussion with you about a false claim you made and hoping you will at least acknowledge (if not on this board, at least in your own thoughts) that not all Christians agree on this issue. Nothing has been settled here as it relates to this issue.
I trust in God too. But we are given the Bible for a reason and if one is going to make religious claims using the Bible then one should be prepared/willing to consider all of the Bible and test whether their claim is truly the only acceptable biblical position.
