Wait....what?

[Been Jammin]

Yesterday, our esteemed leader tweeted that he had directed Homeland Security to step up our country's "Extreme Vetting" in the wake of the NYC terror incident.

Isn't this basically admitting that our vetting process needs improvement, and he knows it? If he knew it needed to be stepped up, why didn't he take steps to fix it? Why wait until a terror attack occurs to tell Homeland Security to close the loopholes?

No need to answer my rhetorical questions. I know that this is just lip service designed to appeal to his base. Just like the travel ban was lip service and accomplished nothing. Remember all the time wasted on the travel ban? Time wasted by the POTUS and the White House. Time wasted by the courts deciding if it was constitutional and should be upheld or overturned. Let's revisit. We were told that we needed that travel ban so that we could "see what's going on" and evaluate the vetting process and make indicated changes to the process. Well, Trump has been POTUS for about a year now. Surely that should have been enough time to evaluate the vetting process, find the problems and fix them. But, I guess not, since Trump told us yesterday that he is now going to get Homeland Security to start fixing the vetting process.

 

[Alpha Poke]

If only he'd tried to get something passed regarding immigration.

 

[windriverrange]

Define "base?"

 

[CowboyJD]

Define "base?"

Here you go.

Do you really think that people who support the Trump agenda care that he uses talking points of people he doesn't know who are at one meeting and calls them an "excellent guy" we know he exaggerates about almost everything and we don't care.

It's all about tearing down the establishment. He defeated everything that as been thrown at him ever since he declared.

All he's got to do his keep his 38 to 40 percent of loyal supporters and he can't be defeated because the other 60 percent are fractured and can't coalesce into one opposition.

 

[Rdcldad]

Yesterday, our esteemed leader tweeted that he had directed Homeland Security to step up our country's "Extreme Vetting" in the wake of the NYC terror incident.

Isn't this basically admitting that our vetting process needs improvement, and he knows it? If he knew it needed to be stepped up, why didn't he take steps to fix it? Why wait until a terror attack occurs to tell Homeland Security to close the loopholes?

No need to answer my rhetorical questions. I know that this is just lip service designed to appeal to his base. Just like the travel ban was lip service and accomplished nothing. Remember all the time wasted on the travel ban? Time wasted by the POTUS and the White House. Time wasted by the courts deciding if it was constitutional and should be upheld or overturned. Let's revisit. We were told that we needed that travel ban so that we could "see what's going on" and evaluate the vetting process and make indicated changes to the process. Well, Trump has been POTUS for about a year now. Surely that should have been enough time to evaluate the vetting process, find the problems and fix them. But, I guess not, since Trump told us yesterday that he is now going to get Homeland Security to start fixing the vetting process.

jeezus been

let's get back to letting iran go nuclear and sending them cash

and pretending we've got an open border policy to the south

and all this other feel good buy the world a coke foreign policy immigration crap that's been going on for 8 years

 

[Been Jammin]

jeezus been

let's get back to letting iran go nuclear and sending them cash

and pretending we've got an open border policy to the south

and all this other feel good buy the world a coke foreign policy immigration crap that's been going on for 8 years

That's a deflection.

Do we, or don't we have an issue with our vetting process? If we do, why hasn't it been fixed over the course of the last year? Why did it take an ISIS supporter driving a truck into innocent people to spur change? Especially, when POTUS has been focused on this vetting issue since before he was elected POTUS.

 

[windriverrange]

JD I was thinking more in line with anyone who thinks the government should actively protect it citizens...instead of doing crap like the following

Saipov, 29, came to the United States from Uzbekistan through a Diversity Visa Program lottery in 2010, making him a legal permanent resident of the United States upon arrival. He has lived in Ohio, Florida and, most recently, Paterson, N.J., where federal agents interviewed Saipov in 2015.

Guy comes here on a "Diversity Visa Program" and becomes a legal permanent resident the second he hits our shores! Ridiculous actually. This guy appears to have been interviewed in 2015 about terror ties. Anyway, I was hoping the word "base" in beens OP would be more in line with anyone who wants these types of criminals to not be here and prey on innocent citizens of any country.

And Been there are still huge holes in the system, no matter what Trump has done, tried to do or got done. They will remain there even when he's gone. Still to many people's ox's to be gored to get serious enough to do anything meaningful. That won't happen until a nerve agent or another giant bomb is cut lose in a very crowded area of a vet large metro area.

 

[CowboyPhil]

So Trump is supposed to adjust the vetting?

I imagine there is a ton of red tape beauracratic BS to cut through and is being kicked down the road like 99% of everything our govt does.

Our govt is a giant clusterfudgcicle

 

[Rdcldad]

That's a deflection.

Do we, or don't we have an issue with our vetting process? If we do, why hasn't it been fixed over the course of the last year? Why did it take an ISIS supporter driving a truck into innocent people to spur change? Especially, when POTUS has been focused on this vetting issue since before he was elected POTUS.

"stepping up extreme vetting process"
is kinda like grabbing them by the pussy

 

[NZ Poke]

"Diversity visa"

 

[Rdcldad]

been god bless you and i know you mean well

let's just get these people some counseling

 

[Been Jammin]

Saipov, 29, came to the United States from Uzbekistan through a Diversity Visa Program lottery in 2010, making him a legal permanent resident of the United States upon arrival. He has lived in Ohio, Florida and, most recently, Paterson, N.J., where federal agents interviewed Saipov in 2015.

Thanks for posting this. Got me to look up the program and I found this article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-attack-chuck-schumer/?utm_term=.f39b51172dd2

Gives me a lot more insight into the program. and points out that @CowboyPhil is on point...

So Trump is supposed to adjust the vetting?

I imagine there is a ton of red tape beauracratic BS to cut through and is being kicked down the road like 99% of everything our govt does.

Our govt is a giant clusterfudgcicle

So, I rescind much of my OP. Trump's tweet makes a lot more sense to me now. Although, I would have liked his process of "finding out what is going on" to have identified this program and taken steps to eliminate it prior to today. Anyone know if he can just use an XO to shut the program down?

 

[Been Jammin]

been god bless you and i know you mean well

let's just get these people some counseling

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very NZ-like post from you.

Clearly, those comments were either faked by conservatives wanting fodder for making liberals look bad, or posted by idiotic liberals. I'm sure you and I both agree that there are morons on both sides of the aisle who have problems with logical reasoning.

 

[Alpha Poke]

This was a ridiculous thread from the jump.

How you blame a guy that's been saying this is a problem and was fought by every lib with a mic over the subject is mind bottling.

 

[Been Jammin]

This was a ridiculous thread from the jump.

How you blame a guy that's been saying this is a problem and was fought by every lib with a mic over the subject is mind bottling.

Seriously?

He has been telling us a problem since the campaign. His job is to protect this country's citizens, identify the loopholes and fix them. I guess you are happy with all lip service and nothing concrete accomplished. He's had a year.

 

[Alpha Poke]

Who opposed him every step of the way?

 

[NZ Poke]

"Diversity visa"

Meanwhile...

 

[Been Jammin]

Who opposed him every step of the way?

So, you are saying that he already attempted to eliminate this Diversity program and was stone-walled?

Maybe, but probably not.

More likely, he didn't identify this program as a problem until yesterday. Which is where I have a problem...since he has been talking about evaluating and fixing the vetting process for well over a year.

 

[Rdcldad]

Who opposed him every step of the way?

like i said alpha
been means well

 

[Been Jammin]

"Diversity visa"

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Tangential to the discussion. As usual.

 

[Rdcldad]

So, you are saying that he already attempted to eliminate this Diversity program and was stone-walled?

Maybe, but probably not.

More likely, he didn't identify this program as a problem until yesterday. Which is where I have a problem...since he has been talking about evaluating and fixing the vetting process for well over a year.

been you already admitted
you didn't know you had a problem

 

[Alpha Poke]

You were screeching about the travel ban at the time and the time he wanted to sort this out.

Who was wrong?

 

[Rdcldad]

very NZ-like post from you.

Clearly, those comments were either faked by conservatives wanting fodder for making liberals look bad, or posted by idiotic liberals. I'm sure you and I both agree that there are morons on both sides of the aisle who have problems with logical reasoning.

ya this is a conservative setup lol

i didn't have to go looking for this
twitter put in their headlines

 

[Been Jammin]

You were screeching about the travel ban at the time and the time he wanted to sort this out.

Who was wrong?

I'm still in the same spot with the travel ban. It was a waste of time and money. It accomplished nothing and was never going to.

 

[Been Jammin]

ya this is a conservative setup lol

i didn't have to go looking for this
twitter put in their headlines

You are adept and reading only the parts of the post that you want to read. It might be your super hero power.

 

[CowboyPhil]

@Been Jammin every XO he has issued has been fought in the courts it seems. Especially anything to do with immigration. All anyone is really interested in is pointing the finger at the other side.

It's all just a bunch of BS and people are dying over it.

 

[JonnyVito]

How do you clean up programs that the liberals are protecting? This is on the liberals and those who put their heads in the sand. Thank God for travel bans or someone who wasn't an amateur might have doing this and a lot more people might have been hurt or killed.

 

[Rdcldad]

You are adept and reading only the parts of the post that you want to read. It might be your super hero power.

which is super interesting considering you as the originator of this thread chose to take a sentence of trumps concerning vetting

and turn it into trump somehow leaving the barn door open for anyone with a prayer rug

when trump is fighting tooth and nail against your beloved diversity specialists to get the damn door closed

 

[Alpha Poke]

I'm still in the same spot with the travel ban. It was a waste of time and money. It accomplished nothing and was never going to.

Your talking out of both sides of your mouth.

 

[Been Jammin]

Your talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Well, I guess it did accomplish something. It got his base fired up and gave them some warm fuzzies when he was finally able to push a stripped down version through the court system.

Did it help him to identify/close any holes in the current vetting process? Not as far as I can tell. Big waste of time/money.

But, you think it was pure awesomeness. Sorry about that.

 

[Rdcldad]

Well, I guess it did accomplish something. It got his base fired up and gave them some warm fuzzies when he was finally able to push a stripped down version through the court system.

Did it help him to identify/close any holes in the current vetting process? Not as far as I can tell. Big waste of time/money.

But, you think it was pure awesomeness. Sorry about that.

narrow minded bible thumping republicans like sessions concern me

and oblivious psychobabble libtards who posses your thought processes concern me

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

Well, I guess it did accomplish something. It got his base fired up and gave them some warm fuzzies when he was finally able to push a stripped down version through the court system.

Did it help him to identify/close any holes in the current vetting process? Not as far as I can tell. Big waste of time/money.

But, you think it was pure awesomeness. Sorry about that.

I believe diversity visas got their start with Ted Kennedy. That should tell us just about everything we need to know about the idea.

 

[NZ Poke]

 

[Alpha Poke]

Well, I guess it did accomplish something. It got his base fired up and gave them some warm fuzzies when he was finally able to push a stripped down version through the court system.

Did it help him to identify/close any holes in the current vetting process? Not as far as I can tell. Big waste of time/money.

But, you think it was pure awesomeness. Sorry about that.

How is stopping immigration from Muslim countries while we sort out the vetting bad?

That's what you were against. Then you bitch because because there are holes in the vetting.

That's not a reasonable argument.

 

[Been Jammin]

How is stopping immigration from Muslim countries while we sort out the vetting bad?

That's what you were against. Then you bitch because because there are holes in the vetting.

That's not a reasonable argument.

Because it was just lip service. He didn't sort out the vetting. There are, apparently, still holes in the vetting. He didn't even identify this particular hole in the vetting. It took a terrorist attack to shine a light on it.

My take, all along, has been that stopping immigration from 6-7 particular countries, for 90-120 days doesn't do anything. The people who were planning to arrive, during that window, had already been vetted. If a terrorist wanted to sneak in, during that window, he would just postpone his plans by 3-4 months.

The whole idea never made logical sense. It just convinced a bunch of people that he was accomplishing something, when he wasn't improving our vetting process at all. That became clear yesterday. Now we know that his team either wasn't able to identify this diversity program as an issue, or he wasn't able to even start the process of eliminating it. (Because you can bet that if he targeted this program for elimination/change, the liberals would have blown a gasket and we would all know about it). I wonder if there are other holes out there, and what it will take to identify them.

 

[Alpha Poke]

The WHOLE reason the vetting isn't where it should be is because of all the roadblocks thrown up by anti-Trumpers.

It's not debatable to anyone but you.

 

[Been Jammin]

The WHOLE reason the vetting isn't where it should be is because of all the roadblocks thrown up by anti-Trumpers.

It's not debatable to anyone but you.

Agree. It is not debatable. Clearly you are mistaken.

 

[Rdcldad]

Agree. It is not debatable. Clearly you are mistaken.

you got this

keep up the good work been

 

[Medic007]

Because it was just lip service. He didn't sort out the vetting. There are, apparently, still holes in the vetting. He didn't even identify this particular hole in the vetting. It took a terrorist attack to shine a light on it.

Come on man. A simple Google search would give you information on this subject. There have been efforts to get rid of the Diversity Visa Program. One notable attempt that failed was drafted by the Gang of Eight in 2013, a bipartisan senate group. The latest is the RAISE Act. There's nothing that Trump could do about a guy that got here in 2010.

One interesting aspect of the Visa Diversity Program is it saw a dramatic increase in applicants from Uzbekistan and a literal 5 fold increase in the number Uzbekistanis receiving visas under the program during the Obama administration.

 

[CowboyJD]

Come on man. A simple Google search would give you information on this subject. There have been efforts to get rid of the Diversity Visa Program. One notable attempt that failed was drafted by the Gang of Eight in 2013, a bipartisan senate group. The latest is the RAISE Act. There's nothing that Trump could do about a guy that got here in 2010.

One interesting aspect of the Visa Diversity Program is it saw a dramatic increase in applicants from Uzbekistan and a literal 5 fold increase in the number Uzbekistanis receiving visas under the program during the Obama administration.

Oddly enough, Chuck Shumer was part of that Gang of Eight that proposed ending the Diversity Lottery Visa program....the exact guy Trump is going after about it.

Jeff Sessions worked hard against the CIR bill that contained those provisions in the Senate.

Despite that, it passed the senate with 68 votes.

The Republican controlled House never bothered to hear it.

I'm not on the Been train re: his OP.

I just found that interesting and odd.