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US Intelligence leaks they fear trump leaks

exactly who the F is this guy?

you had a cia job and this is what you go to the press with?

was hillarys spectacular performance at benghazi what all presidential candidates should aspire to?

trumps his own guy and this dude can't take it

Among other things he's an establishment wonk who was propped up by never Trump neocons as a defacto establishment republican candidate.

He's a loyal, order following government employee - just the way @syskatine, McCain, Himmler etc like em.
 
Remember when it was a really big deal when Valarie Plame was outed and all the danger it caused for everyone that person had ever met? 15 years later and people are falling all over themselves doing it.
It all depends on what side of the aisle one resides.
 
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i hope when these apparatchiks have expended all their ammo, the american public that elected trump says BFD.

this cesspool of creatins inhabiting the swamp will do anything in their power to create drama

at some point the tide rolls out

https://www.wsj.com/articles/spies-keep-intelligence-from-donald-trump-1487209351?mod=

Yes, we need to cover up any evidence that the President is in bed with a foreign intelligence agency that is stealing from Americans and influencing our elections.
Until he's clear, he doesn't need to see or hear anything sensitive. God only knows that the Russians have on Biff.
 
Wouldn't it be illegal to withhold intel from the President? I mean he IS the President.

Not if he's compromised by a foreign power. The NSA is just operating under the assumption that he's dirty, as is their job. He literally stood up and publicly asked a foreign power to steal American data. The NSA aren't idiots -- they heard that. You guys seem to think if prima facie evidence of colluding with a foreign power is stated loudly and publicly it doesn't count .

Not everyone follows Biff's flute like the right wingers. Not everyone enables crazy. Not everyone is okay with flagrant violations of the law and constant lying. I, for one, am proud we have some objective people in government that don't ignore the big, yellow elephant in the middle of the room.
 
Here's the deal. Putin and Hillary Clinton hate each other and have been in a very public pissing match for several years. Putin has publicly accused Hillary personally of interfering with Russian domestic affairs since 2009. He blamed Hillary of personally orchestrating a series of mass protests against his 2011 election that it was rigged. And the animosity goes on and on, but I can't remember all the details, but the point is that Putin has sworn to get even.

Russia going after Hillary doesn't mean Trump is dirty.
 
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Russia going after Hillary doesn't mean Trump is dirty.

Fair enough. It doesn't mean he's clean, either.

In this case, you have:
  • refusal to provide financial transparency;
  • Deutsche Bank making inexplicable loans to Biff after he bankrupted the same bank (bankers lending money to someone that previously bankrupted them), and now they're concerned he's backed by Russian money (if true, probably covering their own ass because they're in so much trouble as is)
  • public request for Russia to steal data;
  • now, lots of contacts between Biff's campaign and russian intelligence service;
  • NSA screaming that he's compromised;
  • One leak of a dossier that claims the russians have piss pics of Biff.
And we shouldn't investigate? I cant' understand why any sensible American wouldn't want to step back and take a look at this. Wrong team, I guess. That's what it's come to.
 
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This is what I'm saying. However your last line blows everything you said out of the water due to the complete ray Charles void of self awareness displayed.
 
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Yes, we need to manufacture and exaggerate evidence that the President is in bed with a foreign intelligence agency that is stealing from Americans and influencing our elections.
As long as the narrative can be that he's never clear, he doesn't need to see or hear anything sensitive. We need to promote at all costs, the neocon narrative that - 'God only knows that the Russians have on Biff.' or something like that

Interesting.
 
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Looks like the intelligence community is shooting this allegation down. Damn. Yet another Lefty attempt to beat Trump ends in failure. How many more times will they lose to him? The Left's credibility is going down like Monica on Bill.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/office-director-national-intelligence-trump-intel-wsj-235080


so why in gods name does the wsj go to print with the article i linked without printing comments in the above link?

the media is slipping

#maga
 
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so why in gods name does the wsj go to print with the article i linked without printing comments in the above link?

the media is slipping

#maga
These anonymous sources are likely Obama brown shirts just trying to stir shit up. The media is falling all over themselves to break something big so there's likely zero thought or vetting being done before pushing these stories out.
 
And we shouldn't investigate? I cant' understand why any sensible American wouldn't want to step back and take a look at this. Wrong team, I guess. That's what it's come to.

I'm on team America. I'm certainly not looking to protect Trump from accountability for his actions. And it's for the same reason I'm not jumping on the hysteria bandwagon, I'm skeptical that anyone's motives are pure here.

If you want to continue believing every DNC talking point, that of course is your prerogative.
 
I'm on team America. I'm certainly not looking to protect Trump from accountability for his actions. And it's for the same reason I'm not jumping on the hysteria bandwagon, I'm skeptical that anyone's motives are pure here.

?? That's exactly what you're doing.

So let's review all the enemies that are now picking on Biff: fellow Republicans, NSA, media, democrats, his own appointees that are constantly leaking... it could be a huge conspiracy. Or it could be that EVERYONE is breaking the glass.
 
And we shouldn't investigate? I cant' understand why any sensible American wouldn't want to step back and take a look at this. Wrong team, I guess. That's what it's come to.
For years we've heard from the Democrats that ALL of the scandalous behaviors of the Clintons were just right wing conspiracy and lies. Now all of a sudden, since it's Trump, we must believe absolutely everything all the time. I know you're not that bright, but can you smell a little of the hypocrisy turd that is glaringly present on your upper lip?
 
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For years we've heard from the Democrats that ALL of the scandalous behaviors of the Clintons were just right wing conspiracy and lies. Now all of a sudden, since it's Trump, we must believe absolutely everything all the time. I know you're not that bright, but can you smell a little of the hypocrisy turd that is glaringly present on your upper lip?

Oh there could be, but in this case there are facts that warrant an investigation.

I get it and I wouldn't try to defend it either. Maybe he's totally innocent? You should consider that before you reflexively assume he won't be vindicated. Sometimes the best tactic is to just slow down and let the dog catch the car. But for some reason the Republicans want to conceal and hide, sure makes them look bad. The more of this "blame hillary" deflection i hear, the more I'm convinced we need some scrutiny.
 
?? That's exactly what you're doing.

So let's review all the enemies that are now picking on Biff: fellow Republicans, NSA, media, democrats, his own appointees that are constantly leaking... it could be a huge conspiracy. Or it could be that EVERYONE is breaking the glass.

I'm not defending Trump. I'm questioning your hysteria.
 
Remember when it was a really big deal when Valarie Plame was outed and all the danger it caused for everyone that person had ever met? 15 years later and people are falling all over themselves doing it.
I'm sorry what parallel are you drawing here? Disclosing identity of field agent related to what?
 
Remember when it was a really big deal when Valarie Plame was outed and all the danger it caused for everyone that person had ever met? 15 years later and people are falling all over themselves doing it.

Yes, it also led to a jury convicting Scooter Libby. Thanks you for that excellent example of why conservatives are capable of about anything. They literally outed her to retaliate against her husband's whistle blowing the deception to start a war.
 
Fair enough. It doesn't mean he's clean, either.

In this case, you have:
  • refusal to provide financial transparency;
  • Deutsche Bank making inexplicable loans to Biff after he bankrupted the same bank (bankers lending money to someone that previously bankrupted them), and now they're concerned he's backed by Russian money (if true, probably covering their own ass because they're in so much trouble as is)
  • public request for Russia to steal data;
  • now, lots of contacts between Biff's campaign and russian intelligence service;
  • NSA screaming that he's compromised;
  • One leak of a dossier that claims the russians have piss pics of Biff.
And we shouldn't investigate? I cant' understand why any sensible American wouldn't want to step back and take a look at this. Wrong team, I guess. That's what it's come to.

So lets look at this objectively and see which are facts:

1) He did refuse to release his taxes. That is a fact.
2) DB making inexplicable loans is in their business model. Unless there is evidence of impropriety, you are simply assuming a banks action. I can clearly attest that banks will loan to individuals who have filed bankruptcies with them previously, if they meet the right lending criteria. So this is assumption or flat false.
3) Public request for Russia to steal data: I have no idea how this narrative got to this level. Anyone who watched the rally where he said this would have to be Sheldon Cooper to not see the sarcasm dripping from his statement. This is a falsehood.
4) Lots of contact between Biff's campaign and Russian Intelligence: Maybe I've missed it in the noise...there's been lots of noise about nothing, but outside of Flynn, who spoke with any Russians prior to the election? If it was after the election, given the rhetoric of the sitting president, I would take the same stance of those conversations as Obama's: "After this election, I can be more flexible" comment. So true statement but exaggerated for effect (good Dem talking point though).
5) NSA screaming he's compromised: Anonymous sources. Always anonymous sources, that are quickly refuted by other intelligence agencies. False until some real evidence proves otherwise. We do still believe in the presumption of innocence in this country, right?
6) Dossier....this was so false and unprovable that the media wouldnt even touch it when it came out the first time around pre-election. Only after the election, when the media decided to go full-scale retard against Trump did this get 'leaked'. Again, completely unsubstantiated with many of the facts within the dossier proven to be inaccurate.

So based on my count, you have the tax story, which has been true for about a year now, and the Flynn story, which probably deserves an investigation. And I hope it gets just a thorough investigation as the IRS targeting scandal.
 
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I'm sorry what parallel are you drawing here? Disclosing identity of field agent related to what?

No parallel and certainly no politics involved on my part. If disclosing the identity of a field agent put lives at risk in 2002, what's changed in 2017? The answer of course is nothing. People should quit doing it even if it's self disclosure.
 
Yes, it also led to a jury convicting Scooter Libby. Thanks you for that excellent example of why conservatives are capable of about anything. They literally outed her to retaliate against her husband's whistle blowing the deception to start a war.

Republicans are capable of anything in retaliation. Democrats too. Which is why you should admit to yourself that this could be payback over the butt-hurt of losing the election.
 
IMO, Trump doesn't appear to be a guy who has much in the way of self restraint. He clearly doesn't have anyone vetting his tweets, and when someone criticizes him (like in a press conference), he goes on the attack immediately and doesn't take time to reflect before speaking.

I assume that ardent Trump supporters would agree with the above. I'm pretty sure that this is actually one of the things you love about him.

But, if I was a member of the intelligence community (insert joke about how that is not possible because I am a moron, here), I would be very concerned about sharing classified information with someone who has questionable self restraint and has everyone in the world listening to (reading) every word he says (tweets).

Throw in Trump's attacks on the entire intelligence community, and I am becoming concerned for our country. It appears that a dysfunctional relationship is brewing (if not already present) and it is very important that the 2 factions work well together and support each other. If they can't trust each other, it is a huge problem.
 
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It's nice to live in a country where financial privacy is the law. Posted this at least a dozen times in the past few days that there's really no incentive or obligation for him to release his IRS forms. It's a nice tactic during the campaign to pressure, but it's a dead horse now.

DB got busted for it's Moscow Branch laundering tens of billions in Russian Mob money. It's highly unlikely they haven't looked into every large account. They claim Trump has been cleared and the investigation closed. The loans are collateralized by the properties they financed, so not really inexplicable.

Trump is a three year-old emotionally. He shouldn't have said he wished Russia would steal Hillary's data. But it probably points to him being innocent rather than guilty.

The NSA isn't screaming he's compromised. Newspapers are claiming anonymous sources that currently or formally worked there are screaming it. It's a little early as declaring this as a fact and completely wrong to pretend it's any type of official stance.

Unless the pics are him and Rossie O'Donnell, he's probably proud of them. The guy's not exactly a moral compass here. You have to care enough to want to hide something for blackmail to work; he doesn't.
 
this press conference is fantastic

trump speaks off the cuff
potus just does not give a tinkers damn about people's feelers


it's great

Really? He got called out for at least 3 different comments that were lies/nonsensical and stumbled/bumbled as he tried to answer the questions.
 
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No parallel and certainly no politics involved on my part. If disclosing the identity of a field agent put lives at risk in 2002, what's changed in 2017? The answer of course is nothing. People should quit doing it even if it's self disclosure.
Which field agent has been identified in 2017?
 
The leak certainly told Russia who is being listened to and exactly how. I'm sure that won't make spying on them easier. Worth eliminating a source of intel to smear Flynn? Probably not, unless politics are what matters most. And if that's the case, the entire intelligence apparatus needs to be cleaned out.
 
The leak certainly told Russia who is being listened to and exactly how. I'm sure that won't make spying on them easier. Worth eliminating a source of intel to smear Flynn? Probably not, unless politics are what matters most. And if that's the case, the entire intelligence apparatus needs to be cleaned out.

We're listening to all the Russians and frankly, they know it.

The reverse is true for every single diplomat we have in Russia.
 
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We're listening to all the Russians and frankly, they know it.

The reverse is true for every single diplomat we have in Russia.
True, but you might be giving up information they may not know by leaking the exact recorded call.
 
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