United Methodist Church

[BluegrassPoke]

http://on.theatln.tc/xa2Dcqs

What a historic weekend. UMC is now a conservative denomination. Look for a big split soon.

Just know an OSU and Asbury grad saved a denomination.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Sad day for the Methodist church. Glad I don't affiliate with them.

 

[Renegade Bullet]

Sad day for the Methodist church. Glad I don't affiliate with them.

Yea, well we don’t want to affiliate with you either

 

[Ostatedchi]

Yea, well we don’t want to affiliate with you either

And I get that. Really I do.

Probably a lot of the reason I don’t attend regularly. It is difficult for me to get past the hypocracy of many of the people in the pews. So, I’ll continue to believe that Christ died in order that I might live and try to live my life in a way that would glorify him and continue to not worry about the sins of others and their relationship with Christ.

I just don’t feel it is my place to call someone out for their sins.

 

[The Duke]

The issue isn’t who is welcome in UMC churches - all are welcome.

The question is how the UMC views homosexual marriage, and whether the church should condone what many and some bible verses interpret as a sin.

This split has been inevitable IMO, conservative vs liberal conflict are inescapable in our culture today. However, the international vote was overwhelmingly conservative.

 

[The Duke]

Sad day for the Methodist church. Glad I don't affiliate with them.

Holder’s fault?

 

[Ostatedchi]

Holder’s fault?

I figure Holder only worships money so he wouldn't be a delegate.

 

[BluegrassPoke]

The issue isn’t who is welcome in UMC churches - all are welcome.

The question is how the UMC views homosexual marriage, and whether the church should condone what many and some bible verses interpret as a sin.

This split has been inevitable IMO, conservative vs liberal conflict are inescapable in our culture today. However, the international vote was overwhelmingly conservative.

I totally agree. All this means is that the left has to leave behind the assets and the conservatives get the buildings and bank accounts. The next vote will not occur for another 4 years and the left will not wait.

 

[osu2082]

I totally agree. All this means is that the left has to leave behind the assets and the conservatives get the buildings and bank accounts. The next vote will not occur for another 4 years and the left will not wait.

This will likely be case by case and several of the prominent cases will be fought in court. I have personally seen it happen in other denominations. Now this might be the most public amd largest split over this issues as it is the reverse of what the Lurherans, Episcopals and Presbyterians decided.

 

[BluegrassPoke]

This will likely be case by case and several of the prominent cases will be fought in court. I have personally seen it happen in other denominations. Now this might be the most public amd largest split over this issues as it is the reverse of what the Lurherans, Episcopals and Presbyterians decided.

Early in my career I worked for the UMC. When Emory Univ left the denomination the UMC changed the policy that the UMC owns all property. Other denominations are not set up this way. It will cost the left a lot of money to leave.

 

[osu2082]

Early in my career I worked for the UMC. When Emory Univ left the denomination the UMC changed the policy that the UMC owns all property. Other denominations are not set up this way. It will cost the left a lot of money to leave.

Many of the other denominations are set up the same exact way. Most won the legal fight and the specific congregation has to buy back the property. They do however usually keep their family financial accounts.

Other denominations including the UMC do have separate charter agreements with certain churches that keeps the property in the specific congregations ownership. A couple of UMC churches in this region are set up this way.

 

[BluegrassPoke]

Many of the other denominations are set up the same exact way. Most won the legal fight and the specific congregation has to buy back the property. They do however usually keep their family financial accounts.

Other denominations including the UMC do have separate charter agreements with certain churches that keeps the property in the specific congregations ownership. A couple of UMC churches in this region are set up this way.

True and those agreements predate the Emory issue but there are very few churches that have that agreement. My church does not and the pastor wants out. Should be interesting.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Wouldn't it be the Christian thing to do to just let those congregations go fairly with the assets and funds they've accumulated?

 

[The Duke]

Wouldn't it be the Christian thing to do to just let those congregations go fairly with the assets and funds they've accumulated?

Maybe they could pay off the GIA debt while they’re at it.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Maybe they could pay off the GIA debt while they’re at it.

IF the congregation had any debt, of course they'd take that with them. There has to be some equitable way to allow the churches to leave that want to. I can't imaging the national church organization would want to own empty buildings that wouldn't be all that easy to sell in a lot of cases.

 

[osuengineer]

I’ve been to Southern Baptist Conventions and some state conventions too. One of the biggest factor in the vote turning out the way it did is the international vote. About half of the delegates to the UMC are international, with a plurality of international delegates from Africa. Those international delegates overwhelmingly voted conservatively, no surprise there.

The UMC church in America voted overwhelmingly to change, but were overruled.

If there is a split, it would be best to make an American UMC, and a Global UMC.

 

[BluegrassPoke]

I’ve been to Southern Baptist Conventions and some state conventions too. One of the biggest factor in the vote turning out the way it did is the international vote. About half of the delegates to the UMC are international, with a plurality of international delegates from Africa. Those international delegates overwhelmingly voted conservatively, no surprise there.

The UMC church in America voted overwhelmingly to change, but were overruled.

If there is a split, it would be best to make an American UMC, and a Global UMC.

To late for that. There would have to be a bylaw change and that ship has sailed. The UMC is governed very differently than the SBC.

 

[osuengineer]

To late for that. There would have to be a bylaw change and that ship has sailed. The UMC is governed very differently than the SBC.

In cases like this, bylaws “should be” an after thought to preserve the body, but in cases like this, the old guard will die on that hill.