It appears quite likely that Trump will be the nominee of the GOP. Although I didn't vote for him in the primary, I will gladly cast my vote for him in the general election if for no other reason than to prevent Hildebitch from returning to the WH.
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I will not. I will vote for Johnson or not vote at all.
Hope he blows the whole sob up. Tired of all these attorney/politicians running everything in the ground. Screw these clowns and the sheep that follow!
I will vote for trump even if he shoots someone on 5th avenue. Not because I like him but because I detest those that detest him.
I sure hope he picks newt as vp so when he is assassinated newt can be president.
I sure hope he picks newt as vp so when he is assassinated newt can be president.
Not a huge Trump fan but I'm definitely not a Clinton fan so any vote that either stays at home or votes for someone other than the Republican nominee is essentially a vote for Clinton. Folks can try to say it's not but in reality that's what it is, I personally think the two party system sucks but until a viable option comes along a party getting about 1% of the vote is pretty inconsequential and doesn't have a voice. In politics no one gives a flip about your principals and how much you might dislike both candidates.
I didn't vote for him in the primary but I will dang sure vote for him if the option is Clinton on the other side.
I didn't vote for him in the primary but I will dang sure vote for him if the option is Clinton on the other side.
That's true, sadly though if history shows us anything it's that whatever we do, the next generation will only take it to the next extreme. To me the idea of not voting in an election, no matter if the other candidate can win or not just doesn't seem right to me. I'm sure it's an old fashioned idea but its still the truth, in this election someone not voting for Trump is essentially voting for Clinton; she's the only other viable option in this election. I know it won't matter in the electoral college since Oklahoma has about 25% more republicans than democrats but given time the not voting attitude will rub off and eventually you will have a true vocal minority that runs the country. Look at the vocal minority now, is that anyone you want running anything?
Why couldn't the Libertarian candidate be viable this year? Trump is opportunistically Republican, Sanders is opportunistically Democrat, and both have done well in their primaries. Three of the final four aren't really establishment candidates. It seems that if any year a third party could do well it is this year. I'd hate to think I contributed to the Democrats and Republicans maintaining their stranglehold in a year that seems primed to start the end of it.
How will the "not voting attitude" rub off if one doesn't tell anyone?
If I vote for the Libertarian candidate -- will voting for Libertarians rub off on those I tell?
If I vote for the Libertarian candidate -- will voting for Libertarians rub off on those I tell?
The whole reason we have a 2 party system is because of the attitude you just described. If everyone that disliked both candidates voted 3rd party pretty soon we'd have a viable 3rd party. Instead people swallow the turds placed in front of them and wonder why the restaurant is still serving turds.
You can vote out of principle or pragmatism and at times I do both. It's worth it to me to be able to say I never voted for a horse's ass like Trump.
Living in OK provides the luxury of voting your conscience.
I cancel MJD out. He votes for Hillary by not voting for Trump, but I'll vote for Trump by not voting for Hillary.
I cancel MJD out. He votes for Hillary by not voting for Trump, but I'll vote for Trump by not voting for Hillary.
My view is that if Trump is the R nominee (almost certainly will happen) and he wins (still think the polls are BS and he has a decent shot) then he'll either do good/great or horrible and either outcome demonstrate the whole system sucks and needs to implode. Either way he proves that "professional whore dog politicians" ie congress, are lying pieces of garbage and will do anything, say anything and kiss anyone's ass to get elected and stay elected.
This I hope leads to a States Convention where new constitutional amendments can be voted on...the first being term limits. Others be the de-nutting the federal government and returning more power to the individual states.
Something has to smash the system up as it stands today, or it will take years to recover, if ever.
This I hope leads to a States Convention where new constitutional amendments can be voted on...the first being term limits. Others be the de-nutting the federal government and returning more power to the individual states.
Something has to smash the system up as it stands today, or it will take years to recover, if ever.
I'm pretty sure some folks in this thread already did tell us they were not going to vote and I would imagine we all know people that are somewhat proud they didn't vote. I hear it all the time, "Don't blame me for Obama, I didn't even vote in the last election." Now if everyone just kept their mouth shut about not voting you are correct but all it takes is some idiot to start spouting off on Twitter and poof that plan is gone. We are already hovering around 50% of eligible voters not voting, that's pathetic. I wonder how many of them are just to lazy or trying to make a political statement by simply not voting because they hate the candidates. Its sad that about half our country doesn't vote, there is no perfect candidate, sometimes you have to look at the options and think who is the worst of the bunch and vote for the other person. Its not ideal by any stretch but by abstaining from voting or voting for someone with no chance you are essentially casting a vote for the worst candidate.
Why isn't the Libertarian candidate a good candidate, because only about 1% or less of the country probably even know who it is. To get a true 3 party system going it's going to take more than just a presidential candidate. That party has to start winning seats in Congress otherwise it's all for nothing. Three viable candidates and they cut up the delegates enough that no one wins a majority, then it would got to the House and whomever holds the House get the presidency. So for a real 3 party system to ever work that party needs to start making some noise in the congressional elections first. That is why the Libertarian candidate is not a good choice. We can all wish for a perfect third candidate to enter the race but is there really anyone out there thats going to get to 270 that's not a D or an R? Nah, all they would do is muck it up for someone because if they are right leaning they will allow the D to get enough of the vote to get to 270, if they are left leaning it will assure the R gets the nod because they would either get to 270 or it would go to the house, which right now is R.
Why isn't the Libertarian candidate a good candidate, because only about 1% or less of the country probably even know who it is. To get a true 3 party system going it's going to take more than just a presidential candidate. That party has to start winning seats in Congress otherwise it's all for nothing. Three viable candidates and they cut up the delegates enough that no one wins a majority, then it would got to the House and whomever holds the House get the presidency. So for a real 3 party system to ever work that party needs to start making some noise in the congressional elections first. That is why the Libertarian candidate is not a good choice. We can all wish for a perfect third candidate to enter the race but is there really anyone out there thats going to get to 270 that's not a D or an R? Nah, all they would do is muck it up for someone because if they are right leaning they will allow the D to get enough of the vote to get to 270, if they are left leaning it will assure the R gets the nod because they would either get to 270 or it would go to the house, which right now is R.
We get it. You have sanctified yourself and are more morally upright.
A thought experiment: if it was Hitler (D) vs. Stalin (R), and Gary Johnson (L) , would it be a vote for the worst candidate if one voted for Johnson?
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I have to say, this thread puts a huge smile on my face for making me dead wrong. Election day is not here yet, but only inky has pulled the "any vote for anybody but R candidate is a vote for the D" line. I said in an older thread that this year would be no different than any other shot-show election year.
Johnson is who I wanted four years ago, yet got stuck with montgomery. Johnson seems like the perfect candidate for a republican that cannot vote for trump. Even someone who simply does not care for him. Glove, it is good to see that even though we won't see eye to eye on cruz, we are pretty damn close the rest of the way.
The LP is finally starting to act like a real party (i actually joined the florida LP this year). We need to get more municipal and state level seats to build more credibility. This is just the perfect year to get a measurable amount of national votes. The GOP and DNC are trotting out the worst of the worst this round.
Johnson is who I wanted four years ago, yet got stuck with montgomery. Johnson seems like the perfect candidate for a republican that cannot vote for trump. Even someone who simply does not care for him. Glove, it is good to see that even though we won't see eye to eye on cruz, we are pretty damn close the rest of the way.
The LP is finally starting to act like a real party (i actually joined the florida LP this year). We need to get more municipal and state level seats to build more credibility. This is just the perfect year to get a measurable amount of national votes. The GOP and DNC are trotting out the worst of the worst this round.
I wouldn't care. It's like rooting for ou to win a game for the good of the conference. (Sorry 007). It's just overthinking things. Vote your conscience, period.
