Trump sabotage

[HighStickHarry]

I think Ive made it known that I feel trump brings a lot of the media crap on himself, but the leaks and the sabotage come from both parties and he can trust no one. Maybe not even pence who knows how high this goes. Few of you keep up with the globalist conspiracy theories, but I think nzpoke should be followed by all. Neither side, not libs or neocons or cnn or fox want trump to succeed. The military industrial complex is very powerful.

Did anyone notice who the first lobbyist obama hired after he said he would not hire any lobbyists? Raytheon lobbyist who was immediately working for the pentegon.

When you are cheering on your team be sure to play close attention to who the actual teams are.

I'm rooting fur trump but he is going up against the powerful and the gullible. When cup sys davidallen are on the same team as McCain graham and the national review an evaluation needs to be made as to what the lessor of several evils would be.

 

[07pilt]

I think Ive made it known that I feel trump brings a lot of the media crap on himself, but the leaks and the sabotage come from both parties and he can trust no one. Maybe not even pence who knows how high this goes. Few of you keep up with the globalist conspiracy theories, but I think nzpoke should be followed by all. Neither side, not libs or neocons or cnn or fox want trump to succeed. The military industrial complex is very powerful.

Did anyone notice who the first lobbyist obama hired after he said he would not hire any lobbyists? Raytheon lobbyist who was immediately working for the pentegon.

When you are cheering on your team be sure to play close attention to who the actual teams are.

I'm rooting fur trump but he is going up against the powerful and the gullible. When cup sys davidallen are on the same team as McCain graham and the national review an evaluation needs to be made as to what the lessor of several evils would be.

Especially Pence. When the day comes, Pence will be the one twisting the knife.
If I were Trump I would replace Pence with someone I could trust while I still can.
Not shedding any tears for Flynn though. War with the entire middle east is only barely better than war with Russia.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

When cup sys davidallen are on the same team as McCain graham and the national review an evaluation needs to be made as to what the lessor of several evils would be.

McCain has always had my respect because when not running for POTUS he was as close as you'll find to an elected conservative that calls them as he sees them. Trump labeling him a loser for getting shot down and captured (as if he should've miracled the missile to the moon or flown back with his own fart propulsion?) was so low and shitty I didn't know where to begin. Lindsay Graham and National Review can both eat fish heads -- they were instrumental in creating Biff with their years of demagoguery.

I like this narrative how anyone that disapproves of Biff's incompetence and craziness wants him to fail. Nobody would be happier if he delivers peace (long term), prosperity, and cuts military spending by corraling the MIC. The problem is that he's insane.

 

[GL97]

I like this narrative how anyone that disapproves of Biff's incompetence and craziness wants him to fail. Nobody would be happier if he delivers peace (long term), prosperity, and cuts military spending by corraling the MIC. The problem is that he's insane.

Exactly.

Must be some globalist conspiracy though, lol.

 

[MegaPoke]

Exactly.

Must be some globalist conspiracy though, lol.

You say lol a whole lot.

 

[CowboyJD]

You say lol a whole lot.

Lol.

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

McCain has always had my respect because when not running for POTUS he was as close as you'll find to an elected conservative that calls them as he sees them. Trump labeling him a loser for getting shot down and captured (as if he should've miracled the missile to the moon or flown back with his own fart propulsion?) was so low and shitty I didn't know where to begin. Lindsay Graham and National Review can both eat fish heads -- they were instrumental in creating Biff with their years of demagoguery.

I like this narrative how anyone that disapproves of Biff's incompetence and craziness wants him to fail. Nobody would be happier if he delivers peace (long term), prosperity, and cuts military spending by corraling the MIC. The problem is that he's insane.

President Trump is being very competent doing exactly what I and millions of others voted for him to do. If this were not the case, you would not see all of the machinations coming from the establishment as is the present case. If you are a Trump supporter and an anti globalist, beware the quiet.

 

[NZ Poke]

 

[PDT816]

McCain has always had my respect because when not running for POTUS he was as close as you'll find to an elected conservative that calls them as he sees them.

Your affection for McCain is probably due to he's not now, nor has he ever been a conservative.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Your affection for McCain is probably due to he's not now, nor has he ever been a conservative.

Affection is pushing it -- let's just leave it at respect. Also, he's a multi-term, republican, U.S. Senator that's been calling himself a conservative and getting elected on that basis for decades. He's been pretty successful. Maybe he knows more about it than you do?

 

[Headhunter]

Exactly.

Must be some globalist conspiracy though, lol.

You say lol a whole lot.

He's his own laugh track.

 

[davidallen]

Your affection for McCain is probably due to he's not now, nor has he ever been a conservative.

Interesting that you feel more credible in defining his status than he himself. I know your point is to say "not a true conservative" but the movement is much broader than the narrow slice you approve of.

I stopped long ago arguing the "liberal" label - while the intersection of my beliefs and the general understanding of liberal overlap in the area of social policy, it doesn't even come close to explaining my view of the economics.

Anyway, in the coarse world of politics McCain is one of yours whether you like it or not...

 

[PDT816]

Interesting that you feel more credible in defining his status than he himself. I know your point is to say "not a true conservative" but the movement is much broader than the narrow slice you approve of.

I stopped long ago arguing the "liberal" label - while the intersection of my beliefs and the general understanding of liberal overlap in the area of social policy, it doesn't even come close to explaining my view of the economics.

Anyway, in the coarse world of politics McCain is one of yours whether you like it or not...

I label people on what they do, not what they say. I'm very comfortable with stating McCain isn't a conservative period. You're confusing republican and political ideology.

He's not one of mine. I don't team up with any politician.

 

[NZ Poke]

 

[davidallen]

@HighStickHarry - is this an example of stubbornness:
https://t.co/qfomV8DVXm

Or should DJT stand his ground on tax returns?

 

[HighStickHarry]

Pres trump should give no one anything. He should hole up in his office, maga and ignore everyone who requests anything.

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

@HighStickHarry - is this an example of stubbornness:
https://t.co/qfomV8DVXm

Or should DJT stand his ground on tax returns?

Like Hillary Clinton's health records and Barack Obama's college transcripts?

 

[PDT816]

Barack Obama's college transcripts?

This is what I wanted to see. Do I think the fate of the Republic depended on it? No. Just morbid curiosity on my part because it's clearly embarrassing for him.

If I didn't like that he wouldn't voluntarily release them, don't vote for him (which of course I didn't).

 

[HighStickHarry]

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/former-obama-officials-loyalists-waged-campaign-oust-flynn/

 

[GL97]

Now it is Obama's fault.

 

[GL97]

Pres trump should give no one anything. He should hole up in his office, maga and ignore everyone who requests anything.

Yeah, because that would clearly be the smart move...

 

[PDT816]

Now it is Obama's fault.

I think the article was pretty clear in stating it was Obama loyalist. Don't understand how that's Obama's fault. Blaming the last guy was the Obama standard, so maybe you're just conditioned to think it.

Given that we operate in a two-party system that really, really hates each other. Is it really that surprising? Because it's so believable, that's what makes it a really good fake news story too. Who knows.

 

[GL97]

Blaming the last guy was the Obama standard, so maybe you're just conditioned to think it.

Yeah, and when Obama tried to blame the last guy what did Republicans say?

I agree with you though that it is common place in politics to blame anyone else but who is really to blame. I just find it funny watching Trump supporters go through contortions as they attempt to deflect from what is really going on here. And since Obama is the bogeyman to them, it make sense that right-wing articles would start popping up laying the blame on Obama.

23 days.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Yeah, because that would clearly be the smart move...

Tell us more about smart moves mr Bernie supporter.

 

[HighStickHarry]

If the article is true then yes it is obamas fault.

 

[PDT816]

Yeah, and when Obama tried to blame the last guy what did Republicans say?

I agree with you though that it is common place in politics to blame anyone else but who is really to blame. I just find it funny watching Trump supporters go through contortions as they attempt to deflect from what is really going on here.

23 days.

Politicians are the worst humanity has to offer. None of this is new.

The problem is that while you're having fun watching Trump supporters go through contortions, you fail to realize that you're doing the exact same thing -- just different players pulling the strings.

 

[GL97]

If the article is true then yes it is obamas fault.

So Obama forced Flynn to do what Flynn did? Was Obama holding a gun to his head when he made the phone calls? C'Mon Man!

Notice by the way that your right-wing article quotes sources from the White House to paint their picture. You are reading spin intended for Trump's base.

 

[davidallen]

Politicians are the worst humanity has to offer. None of this is new.

The problem is that while you're having fun watching Trump supporters go through contortions, you fail to realize that you're doing the exact same thing -- just different players pulling the strings.

You got me here - I am enjoying playing the role so many on this board played for Obama's 8 years. Much easier to take pot shots - and of course the new GOP Administration makes it all too easy!

At some point this will be either so severe it is no longer funny, so pervasive that whole board starts complaining, or just bore me...

 

[GL97]

The problem is that while you're having fun watching Trump supporters go through contortions, you fail to realize that you're doing the exact same thing -- just different players pulling the strings.

What exactly am I doing? I am not naive to think that Democrats don't play the same games or that Democrats don't mess up (they mess up quite often). It's politics.

The difference is when the Democrats mess up, I will call it what it is. I don't need to run with spin to make myself feel better.

 

[HighStickHarry]

I have no problem with Flynn negotiating with his counterparts before noon Jan 20. He lied about it and he resigned, but anyone who follows the news knows Flynn has been a press target for a long time.

I have no idea if the article I posted has any validity to it.

 

[davidallen]

I have no problem with Flynn negotiating with his counterparts before noon Jan 20.

Should that be illegal? I presume you know it is.

 

[GL97]

anyone who follows the news knows Flynn has been a press target for a long time.

Anyone who works closely with any President is a political target, including the President himself. Just because one is a target though doesn't mean one is doomed. Flynn was the one who messed up and Flynn is responsible for that. Along with others in the administration who knew what he was up to and what else is going on in terms of the Russia scandal.

As for the article, it is nothing but White House spin. One could tell that by just reading the first long sentence and looking at who published the article.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Should that be illegal? I presume you know it is.

I don't really care. A 200 year old law that is probably not intended for an incoming administration days or weeks away from taking over.

Either way, I find it completely reasonable that an incoming administration would start their job early.

 

[GL97]

I don't really care.

Would you have cared if it had been Obama or Hillary?

 

[HighStickHarry]

Anyone who works closely with any President is a political target, including the President himself. Just because one is a target though doesn't mean one is doomed. Flynn was the one who messed up and Flynn is responsible for that. Along with others in the administration who knew what he was up to and what else is going on in terms of the Russia scandal.

As for the article, it is nothing but White House spin. One could tell that by just reading the first few sentences and looking at who was publishing the article.

Good we need a media bias expert around here. Please point us to your favorite unbiased sources.

You think it's spin because it attacks your party.

You support socialism. Out in the open. You have zero credibility in any subject.

 

[PDT816]

You got me here - I am enjoying playing the role so many on this board played for Obama's 8 years. Much easier to take pot shots - and of course the new GOP Administration makes it all too easy!

At some point this will be either so severe it is no longer funny, so pervasive that whole board starts complaining, or just bore me...

Probably read that way, but I'm not criticizing anyone. I'm just pointing out that the way we act towards each other is exactly what both parties want. It's a misdirection to take our attention away from more important things.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Would you have cared if it had been Obama or Hillary?

Hillary was negotiating as queen in waiting for eight years. See one Clinton foundation that is drying up like a salted slug now that she has nothing to offer. At least Flynn waited until after he was appointed by an actual president elect.

 

[GL97]

Good we need a media bias expert around here. Please point us to your favorite unbiased sources.

You think it's spin because it attacks your party.

How does it "attack" my party? Because it says that people who work for Trump are political targets...that politicians are playing politics? Oh my, that is such a harsh attack on my party. I don't know what I am going to do!

Did you just start observing politics yesterday?

There is a difference between spin and news. Spin is propaganda and is very easy to spot.

 

[GL97]

At least Flynn waited until after he was appointed by an actual president elect.

And he still broke the law.

You chanting "Lock him up" now?

 

[HighStickHarry]

I'll type slowly. It says obama and his lackies are scared the truth of their stupid Iran deal would be made public. That is attacking your party.