I.will NOT hijack your thread, but in the vein of his caving, let's just say hopefully his "negotiating" with Un will bear fruit long term because in the short term... my gawd. All he did was talk shit then cave.
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I.will NOT hijack your thread, but in the vein of his caving, let's just say hopefully his "negotiating" with Un will bear fruit long term because in the short term... my gawd. All he did was talk shit then cave.
And so did Romney and his people. And McCain and his people. And Kerry and his people. Etc.
btw, I am not trying to speak anything into existence. Sounded like you were though with the whole momentum talk in mid-June haha.
Show me proof where he started it and I'll show you pictures of children in cages under obama.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/atto...-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...ald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/does-law-family-separation-detention-minors/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/are-these-children-separated-by-obama/
https://www.npr.org/2018/05/29/6152...e-for-dhs-separating-children-from-their-pare
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...amilies-at-the-border/?utm_term=.286ca4be3fe2
Do you need more?
A lot of liberal bias there. I want proof that Trump said to "incarcerate children", as you all like to put it, under his tougher immigration policy.
I'm not reading all of them. I just see who wrote them and won't click them.
Oh I am sure any link I give regarding this will be labeled leftist propaganda by some. Maybe even socialist propaganda.
And there it is.
Tpoke, it is all there for you to see. Just a casual google search will also give it to you. Or read DOJ documents. Watch past congressional hearings (they have been talking about this for a while now).
This was the Trump administration's policy. It was a bad policy. It was a political blunder.
I read the first one and saw nowhere saying children will now be separated from parents under the zero tolerance policy. There it is.
Now read the Flores consent decree and put two and two together.
When the parents are arrested and jailed, the children can’t stay with their parents in jail. It IS the zero tolerance policy that led to them having to be separated under the law.
So Trump is the first president to ever separate immigrant children from their parents? Right. That's all I was after. Everyone acts like this is something new.
His policy was something new.
He messed up Tpoke. Maybe you are a supporter of his and don't want to admit to that, but it is what it is.
Strawman. I never said anything of the sort.
The breadth and scope of it....the numbers...are where the change is.
Did you read the Flores consent decree or are you choosing to remain willfully ignorant?
I’m not asking you to read any leftist propaganda. I’m asking you to read a DOJ source document noting the change in policy in conjunction with a source document court decision that clearly reflects the result of such a policy change vis-a-vis family separations.
So he was the first one to ever separate children from their parents. Got it.
On a side note, there have been many times where I've not supported things conservatives do, but I don't live in a glass house either.
Ok, so then you have no problem admitting that Trump was wrong on this and that the policy was also wrong, correct?
I'm saying he was right for stopping It and wrong to solely blame him if others did the same, regardless how often or long. . I do think it's necessary to be very sure that the children accompanied by adults, are in fact their parents, and no criminal aspect involved, which should lead to separation to verify.
So if he was right in stopping it, then he was wrong when he was allowing it to take place and defending it? Correct?
Why can't you say the man was wrong TPoke? How will the world change if you say that Donald Trump was wrong about something when he clearly was?
Why would he think something was wrong that others did and got away with? Stay on point.
It's really gotten weird when the illegals are in the right for breaking the law and the president is in the wrong for ensuring the law is enforced.
Goodness lol. It was his policy Tpoke! His administration put it into action. Then he had to stop it. Which you just posted he was right to do, to stop the policy he was carrying out. Yet, you just can't bring yourself to say he was wrong and the policy was wrong too, can you?
Another question for you: If Trump stood in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shot someone, would you say he was wrong or find a way to defend him?
How will the world change if you say he did the right thing, good for him he corrected a bad thing? Because liberals can't, they're entrenched and wear blinders.
If he shot someone he'd clearly be breaking the law. Was Trump breaking the law or are the illegals breaking the law?
You aren't very good at this.
One, you've avoided my main point. Two, you're just being ignorant on the shooting deal. I'm going to take a victory lap, good night.
Well, some would argue that Trump was breaking international law. We definitely know he was carrying out bad and inhumane policy.
btw, keep in mind, it isn't breaking the law to seek asylum in the United States.
I think he did do the right thing in stopping his own policy. He should never have done it in the first place.
Now, why can't you bring yourself to say he was wrong and the policy was wrong?
Oh lawdy, lemme get my hip waders. Trump is breaking international laws now.
Is the lawful way to seek asylum in the US to break the law by crossing the border illegally? Or is there another actual lawful way to seek asylum?
@CBradSmith, in case you missed it...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.wa...ty-of-voters-blame-parents-not-the-federal-g/
And in case you missed this...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...icans-oppose-trumps-family-separation-policy/
Can you point me to the part that says that illegal entry to the US isn't a crime? Or will it be in "a couple of places" that you can't seem to cite as usual?
